Since the current divisions were formed

[SnohomishRed]

In the west division NU has ranked #1 in recruiting in the west since the current configuration was formed

Questions are?

1. Why does our talent not show on the field?
2. How does NU attract better recruits when other teams in the west have played better?

My take is this :

1. Pure and simple our coaches have sucked - Pelini had assistants with little to no experience and although a couple of assistants were decent, as a group they were not top flight coaches. In addition the toxic environment created by Pelini slowed development and he was a lazy recruiter forcing him to take flyers on too many kids. Riley was just an unmitigated disaster and was more concerned with PR and recruiting rankings then actually developing the team - IMO all that has changed Frost has neither of these problems
2. How do we attract better recruits? we spend more money than other teams first, second NU gets in the game for these kids, Iowa for example does not even try. The other issue whether our conference opponents want to admit it or not is that we are in fact a blue blood of CFB. These kids do not remember our golden era but their high school coaches and many of the parents do. I truly believe an offer from us holds more water than an offer from Wisconsin or Iowa

I am not sure what our record will be this year but I am satisfied we are finally headed towards solid ground and have the staff that will keep improving our program. It is important to note that if Perlman had not retired Frost would not be here. For those who say he had no impact on this program let that one sink in for a moment

 

[PerkyForHerky]

2. How do we attract better recruits?

You've been top 5 in the conference for recruiting each year and you need BETTER recruits to be relevant in the conference come November? That's laughable.

 

[RedMyMind]

You've been top 5 in the conference for recruiting each year and you need BETTER recruits to be relevant in the conference come November? That's laughable.

we need more quality depth

 

[Ewooc]

In the west division NU has ranked #1 in recruiting in the west since the current configuration was formed

Questions are?

1. Why does our talent not show on the field?
2. How does NU attract better recruits when other teams in the west have played better?

My take is this :

1. Pure and simple our coaches have sucked - Pelini had assistants with little to no experience and although a couple of assistants were decent, as a group they were not top flight coaches. In addition the toxic environment created by Pelini slowed development and he was a lazy recruiter forcing him to take flyers on too many kids. Riley was just an unmitigated disaster and was more concerned with PR and recruiting rankings then actually developing the team - IMO all that has changed Frost has neither of these problems
2. How do we attract better recruits? we spend more money than other teams first, second NU gets in the game for these kids, Iowa for example does not even try. The other issue whether our conference opponents want to admit it or not is that we are in fact a blue blood of CFB. These kids do not remember our golden era but their high school coaches and many of the parents do. I truly believe an offer from us holds more water than an offer from Wisconsin or Iowa

I am not sure what our record will be this year but I am satisfied we are finally headed towards solid ground and have the staff that will keep improving our program. It is important to note that if Perlman had not retired Frost would not be here. For those who say he had no impact on this program let that one sink in for a moment

100% it was coaching. Texas, USC, Michigan, Florida. These teams have proven top recruiting doesn't just give you a top record. It takes many factors. Fans support, AD support, the right coach, the right mentality, the right S&C. If you don't have all those pieces in place it just doesn't work.
My opinion is TO walked off the field it has been a slow decline in all those aspects. Billy C was the biggest gutter of the program. Yes, Bo was an average coach, not that great of recruiter. His supporting coaches sucked. Even he showed what an average coach with average recruits and below average staff can do. He managed 9 wins every year.
Riley will go down as one of the worst coaches in Neb history. Horrible coach, good recruiter,lazy staff, bad S&C, bad AD. He was just the final hammer blow that brought everything down.
So yes without a doubt in my mind the issue has been coaching. Now with Frost we have the right coach, the right staff, the right AD, the right mindset, the right S&C. Now we just need a bit of time to get is all going. Once we have another year or 2 for S&C to get those younger guys up to where they need to be by Junior and Senior years, we will be fine.
Unless something drastically changes and teams like Iowa, Wisc, NW, Purdue and consistently pull in top 25 classes like we can. I just don't see how they will be able to keep up now. Under BO and Riley those teams had a slight edge. They didn't have better talent, but they had better coaches and better S&C. That was enough to give them the edge. Those days are fading fast. All things now being equal, plus the fact we get better talent. We will have the edge from here on out most years.

 

[Redscarlet]

You should know the reason for 3 years of the Riley era..

Talent is one thing hard work and accountability was another..

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

 

[Redscarlet]

Sick

 

[Ewooc]

You should know the reason for 3 years of the Riley era..

Talent is one thing hard work and accountability was another..

Exactly, I called it from day one. When I had to google who he was, I knew right then it would not work. I remember sending a text to by brother that day and said, he will be fired in 3 years.
People underestimate how bad he really was. I think that why many are so skeptical with thinking Nebraska can get 8, 9 or 10 wins this year. Riley was a fluke. Bo was able to get 9 wins every year. Frost is a much better coach, a much better recruiter and a much better developer of talent. So why people think Frost is going to have a hard time doing it, is beyond me.
My predictions, from here on out, As long as Frost is here, the West will be ours 75% of the time. We will never see less than 7 wins. 9 and 10 wins will be the majority. We will win the BIG10 within 5 years. We will make the playoff at least twice over the next 10 years. We will have at least 1 NC. Oh, and Iowa will never win a BIG10 title.

 

[RedMyMind]

Exactly, I called it from day one. When I had to google who he was, I knew right then it would not work. I remember sending a text to by brother that day and said, he will be fired in 3 years.
People underestimate how bad he really was. I think that why many are so skeptical with thinking Nebraska can get 8, 9 or 10 wins this year. Riley was a fluke. Bo was able to get 9 wins every year. Frost is a much better coach, a much better recruiter and a much better developer of talent. So why people think Frost is going to have a hard time doing it, is beyond me.

Frost is also a much better person than Bo

 

[John_J_Rambo]

that places like Rivals consistently rank our players relatively high going into NU and the NFL sees nearly every one of them as an afterthought coming out of NU really takes the mystery out, no?

like a factory consistently turning prime rib into dog food

 

[Ewooc]

that places like Rivals consistently rank our players relatively high going into NU and the NFL sees nearly every one of them as an afterthought coming out of NU really takes the mystery out, no?

like a factory consistently turning prime rib into dog food

Yep, we have had horrible player development under BO and especially under Riley. If Zig and Morgan and probably many others had another year or 2 under Frost. I have no doubt we they would have been drafted.

 

[phoenix4nu]

Yep, we have had horrible player development under BO and especially under Riley. If Zig and Morgan and probably many others had another year or 2 under Frost. I have no doubt we they would have been drafted.

I would say that many of our highly rated recruits under Pelini and Riley were overrated. I don’t recall very many of them being pursued by the top schools.

 

[timnsun]

You've been top 5 in the conference for recruiting each year and you need BETTER recruits to be relevant in the conference come November? That's laughable.

Glad you can laugh in May. This fall you won’t have a reason to laugh anymore. Change is coming, which is good for NU, not so much for Iowa.

 

[tone1017]

So many of those highly rated guys either left after a year or two or never made it to campus but boosted up our rankings. I'm not going to do the research to find out how many but just off the top of my head from the last few classes with Riley we lost Gebbia, Tyjon, KJJ and blades and I know there is a ton more but just take those guys out of that class and tell me what our ranking is. Not only does it kill your top end talent but it depletes your depth because now the backup plan or guy that needs to develop has to play way too early. Other teams have attrition too which I understand but I feel like our last 2 coaches took a lot of academic and fit risks that never panned out. Our development needs to be much better but not being able to retain our top end talent has been a huge factor too.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

100% it was coaching. Texas, USC, Michigan, Florida. These teams have proven top recruiting doesn't just give you a top record. It takes many factors. Fans support, AD support, the right coach, the right mentality, the right S&C. If you don't have all those pieces in place it just doesn't work.
My opinion is TO walked off the field it has been a slow decline in all those aspects. Billy C was the biggest gutter of the program. Yes, Bo was an average coach, not that great of recruiter. His supporting coaches sucked. Even he showed what an average coach with average recruits and below average staff can do. He managed 9 wins every year.
Riley will go down as one of the worst coaches in Neb history. Horrible coach, good recruiter,lazy staff, bad S&C, bad AD. He was just the final hammer blow that brought everything down.
So yes without a doubt in my mind the issue has been coaching. Now with Frost we have the right coach, the right staff, the right AD, the right mindset, the right S&C. Now we just need a bit of time to get is all going. Once we have another year or 2 for S&C to get those younger guys up to where they need to be by Junior and Senior years, we will be fine.
Unless something drastically changes and teams like Iowa, Wisc, NW, Purdue and consistently pull in top 25 classes like we can. I just don't see how they will be able to keep up now. Under BO and Riley those teams had a slight edge. They didn't have better talent, but they had better coaches and better S&C. That was enough to give them the edge. Those days are fading fast. All things now being equal, plus the fact we get better talent. We will have the edge from here on out most years.

So wrong on Bill C....he gave us the talent necessary to win a national title. Had Gabbert chosen Nebraska instead of decommiting we likely win a BCS game in 2009. Bo could not recruit the talent necessary to win against good teams and had to win with All-Americans that were recruited by Bill C. Bill C was a given a short leash because he was a west coach guy who was hired by an A-hole but he was an innovator, and exceptionally hard worker, and he truly loved Nebraska and the fan base by year 3. I still remember him applauding the fans who went to K.C to support the team in 10F weather. He was embarrassed that our team wasn't better at that point even though he was winning games with basically his 2005 class of jucos. I can't believe people still support Bo, who shat on the fans, in favor Cally, who actually respected our fan base.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Glad you can laugh in May. This fall you won’t have a reason to laugh anymore. Change is coming, which is good for NU, not so much for Iowa.

Change is coming.

I also heard for a long time that Winter Is Coming. Boy that really lived up to the hype.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

So wrong on Bill C....he gave us the talent necessary to win a national title. Had Gabbert chosen Nebraska instead of decommiting we likely win a BCS game in 2009. Bo could not recruit the talent necessary to win against good teams and had to win with All-Americans that were recruited by Bill C. Bill C was a given a short leash because he was a west coach guy who was hired by an A-hole but he was an innovator, and exceptionally hard worker, and he truly loved Nebraska and the fan base by year 3. I still remember him applauding the fans who went to K.C to support the team in 10F weather. He was embarrassed that our team wasn't better at that point even though he was winning games with basically his 2005 class of jucos. I can't believe people still support Bo, who shat on the fans, in favor Cally, who actually respected our fan base.

this can't be serious lmaoooooooooooo

he was 'given a short leash' probably more because we got absolutely blown out time and again by the oklahoma states and texas techs and kansases of the world, not because of his west coast offense.

talk about revisionist history. blaine gabbert is the missing piece to a national title?!?!?! gtfo of here.

callahan sucked, bo sucked, riley sucked. there is zero nuance.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

Forest Gump meets his male “Jenny” counterpart.

 

[SnohomishRed]

You've been top 5 in the conference for recruiting each year and you need BETTER recruits to be relevant in the conference come November? That's laughable.

understanding context and what I am talking about seems to have alluded you

Let me explain my question is how we attract better recruits than Iowa even though you have played better than us recently

 

[Ewooc]

So wrong on Bill C....he gave us the talent necessary to win a national title. Had Gabbert chosen Nebraska instead of decommiting we likely win a BCS game in 2009. Bo could not recruit the talent necessary to win against good teams and had to win with All-Americans that were recruited by Bill C. Bill C was a given a short leash because he was a west coach guy who was hired by an A-hole but he was an innovator, and exceptionally hard worker, and he truly loved Nebraska and the fan base by year 3. I still remember him applauding the fans who went to K.C to support the team in 10F weather. He was embarrassed that our team wasn't better at that point even though he was winning games with basically his 2005 class of jucos. I can't believe people still support Bo, who shat on the fans, in favor Cally, who actually respected our fan base.

Where did I support BO over Cally? They both sucked. Just saying this started under Bill, he came in and up rooted what had worked to "do his own thing". Many players have came out and said he was an arrogant ***. From a w-l stand point Bo was a better coach.

 

[huskerssalts]

Change is coming.

I also heard for a long time that Winter Is Coming. Boy that really lived up to the hype.

I’m guessing this is completely different. Just a little bit anyways. It’s funny though, that only Iowa fans can’t see the the change. The only fan base in America that can’t see it...maybe it’s because they pray and hope it won’t happen, even though it’s already started.

 

[huskerssalts]

this can't be serious lmaoooooooooooo

he was 'given a short leash' probably more because we got absolutely blown out time and again by the oklahoma states and texas techs and kansases of the world, not because of his west coast offense.

talk about revisionist history. blaine gabbert is the missing piece to a national title?!?!?! gtfo of here.

callahan sucked, bo sucked, riley sucked. there is zero nuance.

He’s not that far off. 2009 team missing peace was a QB and we had a national championship caliber defense. Give us that 5 star Blaine Gabbert that got drafted to the NFL and our Husker team wouldnt have struggled on offense as bad. We had some skill players and even a decent set of RBs. But our QB play was horrible. Gabbert would have changed that in a hurry.

And dudes trying to point out Callahan gave us elite players at the very least. While Bo had Callahan’s players, Pelini did good to great. Once Callahan’s players all finishes up...that’s when Bo really started having issues.

 

[SnohomishRed]

He’s not that far off. 2009 team missing peace was a QB and we had a national championship caliber defense. Give us that 5 star Blaine Gabbert that got drafted to the NFL and our Husker team wouldnt have struggled on offense as bad. We had some skill players and even a decent set of RBs. But our QB play was horrible. Gabbert would have changed that in a hurry.

And dudes trying to point out Callahan gave us elite players at the very least. While Bo had Callahan’s players, Pelini did good to great. Once Callahan’s players all finishes up...that’s when Bo really started having issues.

would we have had the same defense under Cosgrove in 2009 ? I think not

 

[Ewooc]

I’m guessing this is completely different. Just a little bit anyways. It’s funny though, that only Iowa fans can’t see the the change. The only fan base in America that can’t see it...maybe it’s because they pray and hope it won’t happen, even though it’s already started.

Exactly right. I think deep down they know their days of beating Neb are over, they are in the denial phase of grief, but let them hold on to the past if they choose. They will realize quickly that they can no longer compete consistently with us. Even then they will still bring up the last 4 years over and over and over. lol

 

[jolley]

You've been top 5 in the conference for recruiting each year and you need BETTER recruits to be relevant in the conference come November? That's laughable.

NU has been better recruiters than the likes of the imbeciles to the east, but to be relevant in the conference as a whole, (that includes the east division, you short sighted imbecile) better recruits are needed. Of course, you imbeciles can't comprehend a lot of things, this is just another example. The CONFERENCE is more than your neighborhood. There is a bigger world out there in case you've never heard about it.

 

[SnohomishRed]

that places like Rivals consistently rank our players relatively high going into NU and the NFL sees nearly every one of them as an afterthought coming out of NU really takes the mystery out, no?

like a factory consistently turning prime rib into dog food

Honest question here ? are you really an Iowa fan pretending to be an NU fan - I have not seen one positive thing from you on the program and trust me there are many right now

 

[timnsun]

Change is coming.

I also heard for a long time that Winter Is Coming. Boy that really lived up to the hype.

I know, it’s just words now, tough to back up. But my opinion is that things will be different. The coaches are so much better than previous years, and the discipline in the weight room will really show this year. I hate to have to wait for the fall, but that’s the reality.

If you’re gonna come over here, then don’t be surprised when people laugh at your posts.

 

[huskerssalts]

would we have had the same defense under Cosgrove in 2009 ? I think not

Dude I’m talking about having Bo and everything the same except add Gabbert to the mix. Read and focus brotha...I didn’t say keep Callahan. I said add Blaine Gabbert.

And two, Osborne wouldn’t have allowed Callahan to stay and keep Cos. If Billy was retained, Osborne definitely would have forced him to find a top tier DC. So maybe it would have been different. Either way, I just meant add Blaine Gabbert to the 2009 team and keep everything else the same.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Dude I’m talking about having Bo and everything the same except add Gabbert to the mix. Read and focus brotha...I didn’t say keep Callahan. I said ad Blaine Gabbert.

sorry had a mild case of Iowaitis in that instance yes the missing ingredient in 2009 was a QB we basically had no one, I think BC or Bo if he had that defense would have had enough offense to win the Big12 for sure with Gabbert

 

[PerkyForHerky]

I’m guessing this is completely different. Just a little bit anyways. It’s funny though, that only Iowa fans can’t see the the change. The only fan base in America that can’t see it...maybe it’s because they pray and hope it won’t happen, even though it’s already started.

You're wrong, we are worried. Worried like we were when Callahan, Pelini, Cotton, Riley took over.

Worried they may some day leave

 

[huskerssalts]

sorry had a mild case of Iowaitis in that instance yes the missing ingredient in 2009 was a QB we basically had no one, I think BC or Bo if he had that defense would have had enough offense to win the Big12 for sure with Gabbert

Oh I know what you mean...these Iowa fans are obsessing over us hard core right now. They are literally living on our board and it’s like they are trying to convince us Iowa’s the **** or something like that. They will see soon enough, this season will play out completely different then last year and the year before with mike Riley.

 

[huskerssalts]

I have an idea, maybe us Husker fan should go to Iowa’s board and chat. Then we won’t have Iowa fans up our butts ever day.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

NU has been better recruiters than the likes of the imbeciles to the east, but to be relevant in the conference as a whole, (that includes the east division, you short sighted imbecile) better recruits are needed. Of course, you imbeciles can't comprehend a lot of things, this is just another example. The CONFERENCE is more than your neighborhood. There is a bigger world out there in case you've never heard about it.

Exactly what I said. You're not relevant in the conference, yet you have recruited in the top 5 every year. Can I hire you as my personal assistant to repeat what I say so I don't have to repeat it to the Nebraska guys anymore? They no read things much well.

 

[RedMyMind]

NU has been better recruiters than the likes of the imbeciles to the east, but to be relevant in the conference as a whole, (that includes the east division, you short sighted imbecile) better recruits are needed. Of course, you imbeciles can't comprehend a lot of things, this is just another example. The CONFERENCE is more than your neighborhood. There is a bigger world out there in case you've never heard about it.

I laughed pretty good at the imbecile remark. .
It's funny because it's true.

 

[huskerssalts]

You're wrong, we are worried. Worried like we were when Callahan, Pelini, Cotton, Riley took over.

Worried they may some day leave

Wow someone is stupid. Pelini was 3-1 against Iowa. Iowa only won in the one game because Armstrong was hurt and didn’t play and we had our walk on QB in. And Cotton was never a Head Coach. Mike Riley was the only HC that struggled against Iowa. Dude, WOW!?!?

 

[phoenix4nu]

You're wrong, we are worried. Worried like we were when Callahan, Pelini, Cotton, Riley took over.

Worried they may some day leave

This shows that you’re not just a troll, but a dumb troll.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Wow someone is stupid. Pelini was 3-1 against Iowa. Iowa only won in the one game because Armstrong was hurt and didn’t play and we had our walk on QB in. And Cotton was never a Head Coach. Dude wow?!?!

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1354984

A former Husker offensive lineman, Barney Cotton will serve as Nebraska's interim head coach for the bowl game. Cotton is in his eighth year overall as a Husker assistant, and he owns 18 years of experience as a collegiate head coach or offensive coordinator.

Sorry, when it said the words head coach, I thought it meant head coach. I still have to catch up to Nebraska logic.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

This shows that you’re not just a troll, but a dumb troll.

Damn, that was Frosty. Kudos.

 

[huskerssalts]

Damn, that was Frosty. Kudos.

So your going to give Scott Frost crap for struggling in year one when Kirk Ferentz went 1-10 and then 3-9 in year two???

 

[PerkyForHerky]

So your going to give Scott Frost crap for struggling in year one when Kirk Ferentz went 1-10 and then 3-9 in year two???

Are you asking me to? Because I hadn't. Where are you going with this?