What is the status of Weston?
He’s a big time recruit , potential difference maker
SHU game
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He’s a big time recruit , potential difference maker
Do you think the lower bowl is basically sold out already for this game?
I’d think Felt will at least try to sell the suites. That could be a good time buying a suite with 10 other friends.
That must be why Willard ducked us last year too.
Amazing that it’s not enough of an advantage getting a home game they shouldn’t have, SHU needs to cry about their inability to sell out to their own fans vs. hanging a curtain.
My guess is yes. My understanding is that they're doing very well with season tickets and I'm sure the RU game is very commonly included in mini plans too. I have no insight on how the sth presale for that game is going.
The big difference is that SHU (at least historically) has a larger secondary market than RU, so RU fans who are willing to pay resale prices will still be able to get in without a problem.
I have no inside info into this but my guesstimate is around 1,500 RU fans get in out of 10,500
I don’t think too many SHU fans want to resell for this game.
A few years ago I thought around 3k RU fans were in the building
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It's hilarious that some of you honestly believe that "Willard ducked us" and "SHU canceled the game" propaganda they fed you lol. And who's crying? SHU's happily moving forward with its normal arena configuration and will sell out to its own fans without a problem.
I think 1,500 - 2k is a reasonable estimate. Not many real SHU fans will resell, but I'm sure the season ticket holder base includes some brokers. You guys, Texas, Nova and UConn are gonna make them money no matter what, and if the team plays well the rest of the Big East schedule's gonna be profitable too - so there's definitely incentive for brokers to go in on SHU.
What nonsense are you trying to spin? shu absolutely ducked us last year to preserve a packed house payday. Only the middle school idiots on these boards are talking about anyone afraid to play. If we followed the rivalry rotation we wouldn’t be talking about curtains in the NJ Devils arena. You ducked for dollars so open the curtains.
Nobody was trying to avoid playing. SHU just got a better offer on the date they were discussing (road game without fans is objectively better than home for NET, KenPom, etc) and tried to reschedule on RU - at which point Pike basically just said F off. I don't blame Pike for being pissed. What's done is done, we're on to this year.
But from the SH perspective 10K with 8-9k SH fans is better than 14 K with 10k SH fans. Opening the game up to that masses does almost nothing to benefit them......from a general or non-rooting fan interest yes that sucks, but looking at it logically what they're doing does make sense.
Well that is pretty funny because Willard clearly ducked us last season and there were TWO reasons... 1.. we looked like a monster team in early games but 2.. the real reason.. is they didn't want to "waste" a Home game vs Rutgers with having an empty arena.
IIRC, by the end of the year when we had some injury issues and came back down to earth play-wise.. Willard was very happy to play us if their home game did not count as a home game in the series.
SO it was a little bit of a DUCK by Willard... but more GREED by the Catholic university.
And SHU-guy Rutgers AD Hobbs was more than happy to help out his old outfit.. so its a SHU home game this season.
That’s not quite right. There was never any consideration to SHU getting a home game last year in front of no one AND a home game this year, if that’s what your saying.
It was probably best for everyone to have skipped the game last year, but it could have been handled better.
If it had been Rutgers turn to be the home team last year, it would have been no problem for them to skip it as well. It was just a messed up situation.
In the end, RU made the NCAA, SHU did not, and RU gets the home game vs SHU back with the series extended a year. What’s not to like and just carry on?
LOL greed?
What, you think SHU athletics is raking in massive profits or something? The men's basketball program supports the entire athletic department. They may not lose as much money as Rutgers athletics, but SHU's financial decisions, like most athletic departments, are about trying to break even. As for Willard, he said publicly back in October or November (after PSU was finalized) that he was still trying to schedule RU.yes.. greed. they got a raw deal just based on CHANCE of when Covid hit and what Murphy decided to keep closed.LOL greed?
Why else would they have canceled hosting Rutgers in an empty arena?
They played other home games.. right?
Why cancel? It was their choice.
Why lobby so hard to change this year to a home game for them rather than Rutgers?
If you'd rather call it desperation rather than greed, go ahead. You eliminated FEAR of playing a good Rutgers team even though they canceled AFTER seeing how good Rutgers was early season. So cancelling the Rutgers game last year did NOT earn SHU BBALL any money that they could give to athletics. And they get that back with a home game this year but, frankly, I was against that.
I'd rather Rutgers not play SHU until they honored the agreement to visit us this year. If they had honored the agreement and hosted last year to an empty arena I would have favored adding an extra visit to SHU at the end of the series.
As it is.. it is RUTGERS that lost income from a SHU game THIS YEAR. It is Rutgers that has to delay income from a home game an extra year. Maybe SHU should have split seats with Rutgers for this game and opened the whole arena.. but then they lose home court advantage perhaps?
Hobbs gave SHU everything it asked for on this. Bad job by him.
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You really don't have a clue what happened, do you? And I get it, you don't care either. You're only interested in your own revisionist history version of events.SHU never made a decision to cancel the original date. It was forced on them by both conferences moving up conference play. They didn't cancel the make-up date either because one was never scheduled.
That's a nice assertion, but Rutgers had lots of dates open. And it's a 45-minute drive and both teams had open dates they could have used. SHU refused to accommodate because they wanted a real home game.. a money earner. Not to waste their home game on an empty arena.
SHU never made a decision to cancel the original date. It was forced on them by both conferences moving up conference play. They didn't cancel the make-up date either because one was never scheduled.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...on-hall-basketball-rivalry-future/6112545002/
Here is where the disconnect starts. Rutgers believed both sides were zeroing in on Dec. 6 for the Garden State Hardwood Classic, only to find out via social media on Oct. 26 that Seton Hall booked a trip to Penn State for that date. Those on the Seton Hall side say no promise was made to Rutgers about Dec. 6.
For Seton Hall, both Rutgers and Penn State already were under contract when they got bumped by pandemic-induced changes in the scheduling landscape. So why would the Pirates reschedule Penn State and not Rutgers? The rationale is that visiting Penn State in an empty arena makes more sense than burning a home turn against Rutgers with no fans and no revenue.
That "burning a home game" thing... that is where I have a huge problem. That was not up to them. SHU doesn't unilaterally get to decide that they will just host Rutgers next year... not unless they would also visit Rutgers in Rutgers's home game year. Hobbs was too weak on this. He should have just canceled the series as SHU needs it more than we do. Good job by the SHU people to get their way on this. But you cannot pretend SHU did not duck the game. They did.
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Doesn’t that rationale make sense? If it was the other way around, Rutgers should’ve done the same thing. Any team should have if placed in that spot.
Nope. Rutgers would have honored the deal. No doubt about it. Unless, of course,, you are saying our AD from SHU would have been sleazy about it... as sleazy as SHU was.
If you knew our history.. Rutgers gets the short end all the time one such things... like Notre Dame cancelling a deal after they got their home game and before they had to return visit unless we buckled to their demands to play at MetLife and allow them to control half the tickets... stuff like that.. stuff like paying off MORE than the buyout to boot an AD who we could have booted for cause.. like punishing ourselves MORE than the NCAA would have for minor infractions... like firing people because the media demanded it.. until they came for the Presidents job.. then suddenly we find the backbone to say no.
We had hired Jay Wright.. then allowed Villanova to hire him out from under us and pay us nothing.. while our AD was a Nova grad. And now this with our SHU-AD guy. You really cannot make this stuff up.
In short.. our lawyers like to settle.. to pay people to go away and we never play hardball... except with our own fans. We will crack the whip and make them jump through hoops.
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SHU never made a decision to cancel the original date. It was forced on them by both conferences moving up conference play. They didn't cancel the make-up date either because one was never scheduled.
Yes, SHU was forced to cancel the original date but they never made a true conscious effort to reschedule the game. They had zero interest in playing that game in an empty Pru Center.
Rutgers had a lot of open dates in the early season because they weren't really trying to play (anybody, not just SHU). I mean come on, everybody was scheduling last minute games with little notice. The only way for Rutgers to not be in on the action would be by not trying (unless, of course, every team in the country was ducking them haha).
Ultimately, SHU had 2 games that needed to be rescheduled, both opponents wanted the same date, and PSU beat RU to the punch. Of course, it also helped PSU that their hosting the game made it more favorable to SHU. After that, I've heard 2 versions of events, not sure which is accurate (maybe a little of both). One is that SHU wanted to schedule a date later in the season while RU wanted earlier. The other is that Pike was pissed off about how SHU handled the situation (that he found out via social media rather than SHU giving him a call to let him know Dec 6 was gone - I agree SHU was wrong here and he at least deserved that call) and was no longer interested in negotiating a new date with SHU.
SHU played 6 OOC games before the new year.. Rutgers played 4.. but was supposed to play 5.. at SHU.. SHU ducking Rutgers and playing Penn State instead meant 1 fewer OOC game for Rutgers. And, yes, after easily handling Syracuse and Maryland on Dec 8 and Dec 14.. yes.. few teams wanted to schedule us.. INCLUDING SHU... but it was mainly about greed.. or desperation as you admitted. You left out the part where SHU wanted a later date (because RU's play came back down to earth after) and wanted Rutgers to lose a home game for it. As I said.. if it were me and not a former SHU employee negotiating this we'd never play you again after that BS.
Where are you getting this part about SHU wanting Rutgers to lose a home game from? SHU wanted the equitable solution (that was ultimately reached) in which each school equally defers hosting rights and the associated revenue by 1 year. They were willing to play a neutral court game in the given year, but they just didn't want a game that counted towards the series. I'm not sure what RU's administration wanted, but the fans clearly wanted the solution that just gets SHU screwed out of a home game.
As far as scheduling goes, I'm talking about the 2 week stretch from Nov 30 - Dec 13 in which Rutgers only played 1 game. That's where they could have (but declined) to add more games and well before anyone knew the Scarlett Knights would play over their heads for a few games. Can't blame the Pirates for that either as their game with Penn State had already been announced a few weeks before.
Oh and again, SHU wanted the later date well before RU's little hot streak, so that was irrelevant to it.
That’s a long timeMasks aren't required at the Rock, if you can show proof of vaccine.
But SHU and all teams were "screwed" out of all home games... it was SHU's turn to host and that was too bad. They should have played anyway. Instead of honoring the agreement and playing the game they chose to seek a road game with Penn State for the exact date they had discussed playing Rutgers.
SHU was sleazy and self-interested and did not honor their agreement.
They didn't seek out a new game, both were already agreed on and both needed a new date. It just so happens that they both wanted the same date and PSU was ready to sign first so they took it.
You keep pretending that forces other than Seton Hall itself were responsible for not playing Rutgers last year when Seton Hall itself admitted that the reason they chose to play Penn State on that open date was because it was a road game. They could have played Rutgers at home and found another date to visit Penn State but they chose otherwise for financial reasons. And it cost them nothing because they get the home game this season.
By that logic, didn’t it also cost RU nothing because they’ll get a home game added on in a few years?
Neither side deserved to play this game in an empty building. Would have felt the same if it was Rutgers turn to host. It certainly could have been handled better, but let’s hope we never have to deal with the circumstances which caused it again.
Whoever had the right to broadcast that SHU home game lost money. I'm sure SHU/Big East would argue.. sorry.. beyond our control.. covid! Rutgers and the BTN take a hit on revenue this year (delayed until next year).
I think that in the madness that was last year's scheduling, every school's responsibility to was to itself and the only reason for SHU to decline the PSU game would have been to leave the date open as an unnecessary favor to RU, that also gave SHU the risk of ending up with nothing as the RU game wasn't yet final.
Clearly we're not going to agree, so I'll let it go. Best of luck to you guys this season and we'll see you December 12th. It'll be a lot of fun with RU, SHU and the Johnnies all expected to be in tournament contention.
Watching SHU while listening to RU.
The Hall has good length/size and they hit 3s
Albeit vs a very weak FDU team.
The Hall has good length/size and they hit 3s
Albeit vs a very weak FDU team.
If we take this verbal diarrhea as true, then Hobbs, who by your estimation went right along with it, is sleazy too. And WOULD have done the same thing, had the situation been reversed. And really, given SHU's OOC scheduling over the last few years, I doubt they were "ducking" rutgers for any other reason than lost revenue.
If they don't open the upper tank it's s a bush league move. You do exactly what we did, hold them back for season ticket holders then open them up to the general public after a certain period of time.
You're telling me they'll open it for Nova & Cuse but not us? Rivalry game drawing a lot of interest, if true total dick move.
You're telling me they'll open it for Nova & Cuse but not us? Rivalry game drawing a lot of interest, if true total dick move.
No problem with SHU cancelling the game last year to avoid having a 40-point loss to Rutgers on the record book. What I do have a problem with is giving the home game to them this year instead of playing at the RAC as scheduled and continuing on as scheduled years after
Nothing about the ultimate solution was "equitable" - pretty much every aspect of the agreement benefited SHU at the expense of Rutgers.
What did SHU get:
- Avoided a home game in front of no fans
- Avoided what had a higher probability than recent history of being a loss
- Got a likely sellout home game in the year fans were allowed back in arenas
What did SHU lose:
- Nothing
What did RU get:
- Nothing. A game was added on the end of a series that was almost certainly going to be extended anyway.
What did RU lose:
- A Q1 game in a year where they were vying for a tournament berth
- A game with a higher probability of a road win than they've had in recent history
It was in SHU's best interests to beg off on the game for last year, and in RU's best interests to play it. SHU got what it wanted, and RU didn't. RU didn't even get a commitment for a ticket allotment for this season, or a commitment to open the upper deck for the game.