SHU game

[STLPirate12]

SHU sold out it's home court by opening the upper deck once against Syracuse and it was a colossal embarrassment that I'm sure they have no desire to repeat. Now the RU fanbase is nowhere near that of the Orange, but the SHU admins obviously recognize that RU is a local school with nearly 4x their own student population and thus a much larger alumni base.

When they do open the curtains now, it's slow and controlled. They can watch zip codes against UConn and Nova to see where buyers are coming from and stop releasing more seats if they don't like it. That's tough to do against RU since it's all NJ. And as much as you guys would like them to, they're not going to sell out another home court advantage just a pay day.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

SHU sold out it's home court by opening the upper deck once against Syracuse and it was a colossal embarrassment that I'm sure they have no desire to repeat. Now the RU fanbase is nowhere near that of the Orange, but the SHU admins obviously recognize that RU is a local school with nearly 4x their own student population and thus a much larger alumni base.

When they do open the curtains now, it's slow and controlled. They can watch zip codes against UConn and Nova to see where buyers are coming from and stop releasing more seats if they don't like it. That's tough to do against RU since it's all NJ. And as much as you guys would like them to, they're not going to sell out another home court advantage just a pay day.

Meh, I think that’s lame

SHU used to get 15/16k crowds with mostly their fans in the early 90s

 

[STLPirate12]

Meh, I think that’s lame

SHU used to get 15/16k crowds with mostly their fans in the early 90s

Yes, when they were closely removed from the national title game and routinely reaching the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament. That's not our reality right now. What is reality is that relative to student/alumni population, SHU selling out the full Prudential Center would be roughly the equivalent of (actually slightly harder than) Rutgers selling out SHI Stadium - which it doesn't even do for football, much less basketball.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Like totally diff bruh

The RAC has a finite amount of seats, around 8k

The Rock had around 10k lower level which is the typical configuration for SHU games.

however, sometimes they lift the curtains that block off the 2nd and 3rd level seating.

That gives them another 7k possible seats to sell.

Ex: In 2020 attendance vs Villanova was around 16k.

Today, anyone can buy Tix to the SHU games vs UConn and Nova, both Saturday games , but not vs Rutgers.

Felt is ok with UConn and Nova fans filling up Prudential Center but not Rutgers fans apparently

Look for the curtains to be lifted for those two BE contests.

Looks like Felt would prefer a 10k capacity vs RU with 2k RU fans rather than the much more lucrative 15k crowd with at least 5k RU fans.

And that's what we get for letting them keep the game for this year and not making them come to our house as they should have last year.
Hobbs got outplayed twice here.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Does anyone know when tickets go on sale for the Seton Hall game and where they can be purchased?

Was gonna ask you how the hell you could ask this in this thread then realized your post was merged into this thread.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Yes, when they were closely removed from the national title game and routinely reaching the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament. That's not our reality right now. What is reality is that relative to student/alumni population, SHU selling out the full Prudential Center would be roughly the equivalent of (actually slightly harder than) Rutgers selling out SHI Stadium - which it doesn't even do for football, much less basketball.

With MBB fandom it’s closer than you think.

RU MBB Twitter has 28k followers
SHU MBB Twitter has 23k followers

 

[S_Janowski]

SHU sold out it's home court by opening the upper deck once against Syracuse and it was a colossal embarrassment that I'm sure they have no desire to repeat. Now the RU fanbase is nowhere near that of the Orange, but the SHU admins obviously recognize that RU is a local school with nearly 4x their own student population and thus a much larger alumni base.

When they do open the curtains now, it's slow and controlled. They can watch zip codes against UConn and Nova to see where buyers are coming from and stop releasing more seats if they don't like it. That's tough to do against RU since it's all NJ. And as much as you guys would like them to, they're not going to sell out another home court advantage just a pay day.

Whats the approximate breakout of the SHU / Nova crowd for a recent game at Prudential?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Whats the approximate breakout of the SHU / Nova crowd for a recent game at Prudential?

I was there in 2020

It’s hard to tell visually since both teams are blue But I’d say 65-70% SHU fans.

When RU fans are there , the red really stands out.

I think the SHU AD is being timid here when he doesn’t t have to be

 

[STLPirate12]

Whats the approximate breakout of the SHU / Nova crowd for a recent game at Prudential?

Hard to tell as proud said since both teams are blue, but I'd guess about 70/30.

 

[Raritan83]

Like totally diff bruh

The RAC has a finite amount of seats, around 8k

The Rock had around 10k lower level which is the typical configuration for SHU games.

however, sometimes they lift the curtains that block off the 2nd and 3rd level seating.

That gives them another 7k possible seats to sell.

Ex: In 2020 attendance vs Villanova was around 16k.

Today, anyone can buy Tix to the SHU games vs UConn and Nova, both Saturday games , but not vs Rutgers.

Felt is ok with UConn and Nova fans filling up Prudential Center but not Rutgers fans apparently

Look for the curtains to be lifted for those two BE contests.

Looks like Felt would prefer a 10k capacity vs RU with 2k RU fans rather than the much more lucrative 15k crowd with at least 5k RU fans.

We can disagree. You are asking Seton hall to open individual ticket sales to the RU game at the same time as all other games.

Finite seats or not RU did not open sales for SHU at the RAC at the same time as all other games despite giving ample opportunity to football ticket holders, mini plans etc to snap them up.

We controlled the ticket just as much as they are doing at this very point in time.

It is certainly a different argument if Seton hall should take the extra revenue from increased sales by opening upstairs but they are prioritizing a joke court advantage as opposed to the revenue and that's their perspective.

 

[STLPirate12]

With MBB fandom it’s closer than you think.

RU MBB Twitter has 28k followers
SHU MBB Twitter has 23k followers

But we're talking about the one basketball game that, as the in state rivalry, interests many alumni who otherwise don't follow the teams. And RU has a massive advantage in that category.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

The latest on Stubhub
425 tickets available as of 9am on October 23

https://www.stubhub.com/seton-hall-pirates-basketball-newark-tickets-12-12-2021/event/104939189/

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Rhoden ankle sprain in practice

Remains to be seen how long he’s out

 

[Knights 1212]

I know SHU is not opening the upper tier as they are still bitter that RU sold tickets to other RU fans before opening anything to the public. It probably is a huge mistake that could cost their athletic fund a lot of money but I understand their reasoning. It could come back to bite the AD in the long run. Let's hope they eventually will open the second deck.

 

[ScarletKid2008]

I know SHU is not opening the upper tier as they are still bitter that RU sold tickets to other RU fans before opening anything to the public. It probably is a huge mistake that could cost their athletic fund a lot of money but I understand their reasoning. It could come back to bite the AD in the long run. Let's hope they eventually will open the second deck.

SHU has been soo clearly trying to protect themselves in this rivalry, its laughable. In fact its sad. And they are doing it because they know RU is about to pass them on the basketball pecking order and never look back. They've enjoyed this run in the 90s to now, but everyone in blue knows thats coming to an end. And the moves they've been making clearly show they know it.

 

[S_Janowski]

SHU has been soo clearly trying to protect themselves in this rivalry, its laughable. In fact its sad. And they are doing it because they know RU is about to pass them on the basketball pecking order and never look back. They've enjoyed this run in the 90s to now, but everyone in blue knows thats coming to an end. And the moves they've been making clearly show they know it.

It’s very obvious. They have no problem opening up the full arena to thousands of Villanova fans every year.

 

[Zak57]

Lose money and lose the game. What a combo for weak SHU.

 

[RU82]

It’s very obvious. They have no problem opening up the full arena to thousands of Villanova fans every year.

I think they opened it for Syracuse also. It’s mildly surprising that they wouldn’t just take the extra money while they have the chance.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

I think they opened it for Syracuse also. It’s mildly surprising that they wouldn’t just take the extra money while they have the chance.

In 2019-2020, SHU opened up the upper levels to many games

Mish St
Maryland
Nova
Xavier
Saint Johns
I also think Marquette

Their AD is costing their athletic program and university a lot of revenues in his attempt to keep RU fans out

 

[RU82]

In 2020-2021, SHU opened up the upper levels to many games

Mish St
Maryland
Nova
Xavier
Saint Johns
I also think Marquette

Their AD is hosting their athletic program and university a lot of revenues in his attempt to keep RU fans out

And it won’t even work. Lol

Though I suppose it will prevent the feeling of an enemy invasion.

 

[bowlgoal]

That’s lame.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

In 2019-2020, SHU opened up the upper levels to many games

Mish St
Maryland
Nova
Xavier
Saint Johns
I also think Marquette

Their AD is hosting their athletic program and university a lot of revenues in his attempt to keep RU fans out

FIFY

 

[richthedentist]

FIFY

Trying to follow the whole thread do we know yet if they are opening the upper seats for the game? Also when do they go on sale

 

[King of S]

Lose money and lose the game. What a combo for weak SHU.

Just payback for what Hobbs did 2 years ago at the RAC.

 

[lloyde dobler]

Say tickets cost $30 … how much money are they really costing themselves for keeping the top closed on a Sunday night pre-Christmas vs RU? (Remember there are also some costs associated with opening it up). The math isn’t very impressive.

Nova will draw in a lot more people, not just because it’s Nova, but because it’s at 2 pm on New Years Day, which is a Saturday this year. A lot of people - mostly Hall fans - will be buying tix as a Christmas gift. If Nova was scheduled for 8:30 on a Wednesday in mid-January, not so much.

 

[hinson32]

Just payback for what Hobbs did 2 years ago at the RAC.

I say this with me believing that Seton Hall has every right to do what they want with the tickets. If protecting home court advantage outweighs additional revenue for them, it is their right. However, it is not the same situation. RU has a much smaller arena and is able to sell all tickets to their own fans. Seton Hall can not do the same, they are choosing to leave open seats that could be sold. RU did not do that, they sold every seat they had.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

100 level tickets are usually $40

Even just 2k more fans $80k

Felt shoulda opened up the 100 level two weeks ago since the lower bowl is basically sold out already for this game.

He sees all of the sellouts RU has announced and could have capitalized on Rutgers fans wanting to see their team in comfortable seats vs an in-state rival

He has made the choice of keeping Red out of The Rock over a lucrative pay day for the program.

 

[BigRnj]

I say this with me believing that Seton Hall has every right to do what they want with the tickets. If protecting home court advantage outweighs additional revenue for them, it is their right. However, it is not the same situation. RU has a much smaller arena and is able to sell all tickets to their own fans. Seton Hall can not do the same, they are choosing to leave open seats that could be sold. RU did not do that, they sold every seat they had.

This! We don’t owe shu or any opposing fans anything. The few mouthy shu hoops ticket holders I know whine like babies about this, yet they were ok with shu’s ***** move last year (not hosting the game). Annoying bunch …

 

[Terry_2426]

Say tickets cost $30 … how much money are they really costing themselves for keeping the top closed on a Sunday night pre-Christmas vs RU? (Remember there are also some costs associated with opening it up). The math isn’t very impressive.

This. It wouldn't be some huge amount of money, it would barely move the needle in terms of overall revenue for the school per year. Easier to just get that money from a donation than to be embarrassed by the in-state team they look down on .

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

This. It wouldn't be some huge amount of money, it would barely move the needle in terms of overall revenue for the school per year. Easier to just get that money from a donation than to be embarrassed by the in-state team they look down on .

Very small time thinking

 

[Terry_2426]

Very small time thinking

How so?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

How so?

Felt should have tried to make the game a big event.

Get 14k fans rather than 10k

The Hall has a good roster, potentially a good team. Why limit fan interest ?

 

[ScarletKid2008]

Avoided and basically walked away from the 2020 game
Then demanded the series be reset so the 2021 game is home
Then limiting capacity for said 2021 game

….is there any doubt that the 2019 absolute beat down at the RAC has had a massive impact on their ego and physche regarding this rivalry. With all their power they are tryin to dodge having RU fans impact the game so they can get a win

 

[Knights 1212]

SHU fans are just still so upset over the 2019 trouncing we gave to them. They pounded us during the three years that Jordan coached us and the one game we only had 8 scholarship players dressed. We were pathetic during those three years and were rated at # 279 in the country when Eddie was let go and Steve was hired. We are actually 2-2 since Steve was hired and both losses were competitive until the last 3 minutes. We are not the same RU of the Jordan years. It should be a good game this season.

 

[lloyde dobler]

Who wouldn’t be upset after that showing? All of this stuff is part of what goes on in a rivalry. One of the tougher parts about this year is that since both teams will likely be good, the winner will be boosted by the loser doing well the rest of the year to improve their metrics. All good rivalry stuff.

 

[STLPirate12]

Felt should have tried to make the game a big event.

Get 14k fans rather than 10k

The Hall has a good roster, potentially a good team. Why limit fan interest ?

So you're saying 14k fans is a big event but a sold out 10k isn't? Give me a break. The Rock holds over 18k for basketball. Is it really worth opening the upper deck (and paying the costs to do so) to barely fill half of it? Remember, it's a Sunday night. They'll get a way better atmosphere with a curtained off upper deck than an open one with 4-5k empty seats.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

So you're saying 14k fans is a big event but a sold out 10k isn't? Give me a break. The Rock holds over 18k for basketball. Is it really worth opening the upper deck (and paying the costs to do so) to barely fill half of it? Remember, it's a Sunday night. They'll get a way better atmosphere with a curtained off upper deck than an open one with 4-5k empty seats.

Felt is only doing this for one reason

Keep Rutgers fans out.
But he’s also keeping SHU fans out too

I guess the athletic dept does not need a $hot in the arm

 

[STLPirate12]

Felt is only going this for one reason

Keep Rutgers fans out.
But he’s also keeping SHU fans out too

I guess the athletic dept does not need a $hot in the arm

Which was exactly the goal of Rutgers 2 years ago - to keep SHU fans out. And the reality is 2-3k RU fans upstairs doesn't really move the needle enough to be worthwile. I'm not even sure it would cover the cost of opening the top.

 

[hinson32]

Which was exactly the goal of Rutgers 2 years ago - to keep SHU fans out. And the reality is 2-3k RU fans upstairs doesn't really move the needle enough to be worthwile. I'm not even sure it would cover the cost of opening the top.

Once again, it is not the same thing. Rutgers was able to sell out all their tickets to their own fans. Seton Hall is choosing to not sell tickets.

 

[STLPirate12]

Once again, it is not the same thing. Rutgers was able to sell out all their tickets to their own fans. Seton Hall is choosing to not sell tickets.

And Rutgers spent 2 months begging everyone who bought a football ticket to buy so they could avoid a public on-sale, which would have sold out in a day or two. Is it really that different? For all we know, RU may have just left seats empty rather than have a public on-sale, but eventually the 2+ month long exclusive presale worked and it never came down to that.