Should she have been fired?

fatpiggy

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She says that was the only direct reference to Kirk, but what were her indirect referneces? If we want to make a fair comment, we need all the information. This seems like only a part of the information.

If, and only if, this is the only reference to the whole situation i would vote that she did not deserve to be fired. I believe there is more to it than what's in that post.
 
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dpic73

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From the little I know about it, sounds like they're accusing her of misquoting Kirk by saying black women instead of the 4 black women he specifically called out. This thought police crap is out of control, especially if the below isn't a fireable offense.

 

baltimorened

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first of all, why is there an association of black journalists?

Second, these folks, just like the rest of us (at least most of us) work at the will of the boss. They don't like your work, they fire you, demote you, or send you to the Siberian office. Journalists, whether black, white or green, are no better than the rest of the working class.
 

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There are three chances that Brian Kilmeade gets fired: slim, none, and fat. What he said is WAY more objectionable than what Matthew Dowd said. But you would not know it from the lack of commentary from righties here. "Kill homeless people" sounds a whole lot like Hitler's "Final Solution."
 

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There are three chances that Brian Kilmeade gets fired: slim, none, and fat. What he said is WAY more objectionable than what Matthew Dowd said. But you would not know it from the lack of commentary from righties here. "Kill homeless people" sounds a whole lot like Hitler's "Final Solution."
Fox News has the right to terminate if they so desire just like MSNBC (Or whatever they are now called) has the right to terminate Matthew Dowd.
 

baltimorened

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There are three chances that Brian Kilmeade gets fired: slim, none, and fat. What he said is WAY more objectionable than what Matthew Dowd said. But you would not know it from the lack of commentary from righties here. "Kill homeless people" sounds a whole lot like Hitler's "Final Solution."
like I posted, employees work at discretion of boss (unless they have contracts).

I wish we'd get off comparisons to Hitler. I don't think its productive.

If we're looking for total consistency, assassinating Kirk for his beliefs, could be followed by a similar reaction to some of the more extreme leftists...a result that none of us want. We need to get off these inflammatory comments and attempting to make comparisons of actions made by disparate people for different reasons.

I'm not a fan of cancel culture
 

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like I posted, employees work at discretion of boss (unless they have contracts).

I wish we'd get off comparisons to Hitler. I don't think its productive.

If we're looking for total consistency, assassinating Kirk for his beliefs, could be followed by a similar reaction to some of the more extreme leftists...a result that none of us want. We need to get off these inflammatory comments and attempting to make comparisons of actions made by disparate people for different reasons.

I'm not a fan of cancel culture
We're off of Hitler comparisons for the moment. It'll be back before the midterms though.
 

ANEW

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We're off of Hitler comparisons for the moment. It'll be back before the midterms though.
Nope. Hitler is back. It's hard for some people to let go. Kinda like a favorite teddy bear.
 

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Trump and Pulte just fabricate mortgage application lies.

Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook described an Atlanta property at the center of a lawsuit over her attempted ouster as a “vacation home,” according to documents viewed by Bloomberg News

The records were first reported by Reuters, which cited two real estate experts who said the documents appear to contradict other records Trump administration officials have used to justify Cook’s removal from the Fed Board of Governors.
 

dpic73

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Nope. Hitler is back. It's hard for some people to let go. Kinda like a favorite teddy bear.
Maybe not Hitler but definitely the most extreme president we've ever had - in a bad way. There are new examples every day but you can be sure he's following an authoritarian playbook through a series of tactics that suppress opposition, control institutions, and cultivate intense nationalistic loyalty - and you can bet your *** that he will use this as an inflection point to destroy the ability of democrats to win the mid-terms....and worse. You know it.



 

ANEW

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and you can bet your *** that he will use this as an inflection point to destroy the ability of democrats to win the mid-terms
That would be good. The current dem party is the most extreme political party that we've ever had. And definitely not in a good way.
 

tboonpickens

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first of all, why is there an association of black journalists?
wtf country did you grow up in? and you claim to be old enough to have been around during the 60s Civil Rights battles.

seriously, does it anger you that there is no White History Month, too?
 

dpic73

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That would be good. The dem party is the most extreme political party that we've ever had. And definitely not in a good way.
And there we have it. You resent that he's called what he is but you agree with the acts that prove it.
 
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Like securing the border or bringing energy prices down?
It took you twelve minutes to forget what you said? Do you really want me to type out a list

That would be good. The current dem party is the most extreme political party that we've ever had. And definitely not in a good way.
 

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How about start here and read through this thread






Thanks. Got a good workout for my finger scrolling past all that while focusing on a really important Toro Steel Buildings ad on tv.
Do you know that they have financing available and operators are standing by? Pretty amazing.
 
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Thanks. Got a good workout for my finger scrolling past all that while focusing on a really important Toro Steel Buildings ad on tv.
Do you know that they have financing available and operators are standing by? Pretty amazing.
 

fatpiggy

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So she intentionally misquoted with the intention to stir outrage. Probably not a fireable offense as she is far from the only journalist to do that.

BUT, the Washington Post may be using her as an example that they are tightening up the ship. Trump has already successfully sued multiple news outlets for their lies and is now suing The NY Times for $15B. So it’s possible Bezos sent the message he wants more accurate reporting. Fair? Maybe, maybe not. But WP was well within their rights to do so.
 

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If WP is a corporation, and they are, they can fire damn near anyone for anything at anytime. Ever heard of “right to work”? That law protects employers in most states from any kind of lawsuits. In states that don’t recognize “right to work” they just document the issue, issue performance plans, then fire you. If you don’t wanna get fired, do your job and keep your politics out of it.
 

dpic73

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So she intentionally misquoted with the intention to stir outrage. Probably not a fireable offense as she is far from the only journalist to do that.

BUT, the Washington Post may be using her as an example that they are tightening up the ship. Trump has already successfully sued multiple news outlets for their lies and is now suing The NY Times for $15B. So it’s possible Bezos sent the message he wants more accurate reporting. Fair? Maybe, maybe not. But WP was well within their rights to do so.
Free speech is only free if it flatters Trump. I hope the NY Times sues his *** off for lying about them and wipes out the corrupt billions he's grifted in the last 8 months. This pig is the very definition of an autocrat.

 

dpic73

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If WP is a corporation, and they are, they can fire damn near anyone for anything at anytime. Ever heard of “right to work”? That law protects employers in most states from any kind of lawsuits. In states that don’t recognize “right to work” they just document the issue, issue performance plans, then fire you. If you don’t wanna get fired, do your job and keep your politics out of it.
Wait, there can be no politics reported in the news? No opinions you disagree with? This smacks of a corrupt demand coming from the King.
 

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Trump and Pulte just fabricate mortgage application lies.

Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook described an Atlanta property at the center of a lawsuit over her attempted ouster as a “vacation home,” according to documents viewed by Bloomberg News

The records were first reported by Reuters, which cited two real estate experts who said the documents appear to contradict other records Trump administration officials have used to justify Cook’s removal from the Fed Board of Governors.
so if I understand correctly there are two conflicting documents...but you're certain that the one that supports cook are the correct ones. Wouldn't a valid question by "why are there two conflicting documents?" Both can't be right can they?
 

UrHuckleberry

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so if I understand correctly there are two conflicting documents...but you're certain that the one that supports cook are the correct ones. Wouldn't a valid question by "why are there two conflicting documents?" Both can't be right can they?
They could both be legitimate honestly. She could've disclosed it was a vacation home early on, and then the credit union told her to put primary just to get her the better rate which they could potentially get approval for to get high credit borrowers to sign with them, etc.

The Georgia tax one would be different. Which Reuters reported she is paying the vacation tax rate I believe.
 
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They could both be legitimate honestly. She could've disclosed it was a vacation home early on, and then the credit union told her to put primary just to get her the better rate which they could potentially get approval for to get high credit borrowers to sign with them, etc.

The Georgia tax one would be different. Which Reuters reported she is paying the vacation tax rate I believe.
I guess that's possible. But why would the credit union advise her to mis label a loan doc?
 

UrHuckleberry

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I guess that's possible. But why would the credit union advise her to mis label a loan doc?
If there was a rate difference and they wanted to give her the lower rate. Could see a branch manager signing off on it for one of their loan officers, or something along those lines.

@PalmettoTiger1 had mentioned this when discussing the 3 cabinet members, that they could've been told to put primary, etc.
 
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If there was a rate difference and they wanted to give her the lower rate. Could see a branch manager signing off on it for one of their loan officers, or something along those lines.

@PalmettoTiger1 had mentioned this when discussing the 3 cabinet members, that they could've been told to put primary, etc.
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but if a loan company wants to give a lower rate the way NOT to do it would be to advise the applicant to lie on a loan document. If you want to give a lower rate, just give the lower rate

But, to be clear, I don't think she should have been fired without due process.
 
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UrHuckleberry

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but if a loan company wants to give a lower rate the way NOT to do it would be to advise the applicant to lie on a loan document. If you want to give a lower rate, just give the lower rate

But, to be clear, I don't think she should have been fired without due process.
Thanks for the link

As always I think the accused need to have due process

Let them be investigated and have the lender snd borrower explain the way the loans are written

Based on the article apparently some lenders encourage the misrepresentation of primary versus secondary homes.

One thing you are NOT BRINGING UP is on a primary home for example property taxes in SC are at 4% which for my family runs about $3000 per year. We inherited a house which became a secondary house and not the primary. We had to pay $6000 at 6% for the house. That plus some insurance policies are higher when primary versus secondary is used.

The houses were basically identical in square footage so you see the valuation difference in making primary versus secondary or rental home.

The property taxed are fraud when attempted.

So to answer the question you are posing I say investigate and clean up this as I follow the laws and i expect others to follow the laws.

Does that answer your question.

The lady still needs to be removed if found providing false information.
Here was the @PalmettoTiger1 post where he had indicated some lenders encourage the misrepresentation of primary versus secondary on their own company docs (again, likely to get the lower rate for someone they think is a safe bet), but as I noted, we all agree misrepresenting to the government is something different entirely.
 
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If there was a rate difference and they wanted to give her the lower rate. Could see a branch manager signing off on it for one of their loan officers, or something along those lines.

@PalmettoTiger1 had mentioned this when discussing the 3 cabinet members, that they could've been told to put primary, etc.

Just to jump into the discussion I have been told bt bank officers on occasion about oh don’t worry about it nobody cares about the stuff

Trying to be open minded someone handling the loan may have give bad advice