Should Mo be kicked off the team?

[JohnRossEwing]

Hey, fun times, actual new facts in this.

Washington will voluntarily travel back to CA to deal with this rather than go through the warrant process, his lawyer is obviously negotiating to get the charges reduced or dismissed as he should as his lawyer.

Hmmm...interesting

 

[huskerfan1414]

If it is all true, there is no way he is staying on the team. He will be gone for sure.

Also, by saying the sex was consensual you better be ready to be attacked.

The police saw this video so I dont know how anyone could rationalize that this was rape.

 

[MOHUSKER]

You would have no anger towards your 15 year old daughter having a filmed 3some? Man, I would.

Obviously, but 2-3 years later, when rehashed by someone else? Not sure how that would be relevant. And honestly not sure it's up for discussion, I think it's pretty likely if the video did show consent that they wouldn't go to the media, they wouldn't be talking about pursuing charges now either. I can't imagine parents would willingly put themselves or their daughter through that publicly. With that said, I also doubt the video shows clearly that she was a willing participant and after some research into the psychological response of victims of assaults don't believe that a video may show something one way or another in respect to consent. Are we trying to argue the law or morality? We could discuss coercion, intoxication, fear or any of the things that can lead to someone thinking that they had consent when they legally didn't.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

The police saw this video so I dont know how anyone could rationalize that this was rape.

I am 100% with you, but I was attacked for it

 

[B1G RED RULES]

This is a tough one. Let’s use our country’s current logic for judging people:

If he was a white male, the answer is easy. He is still a male, so that is going against him. If the female is a minority, the she trumps him being a minority AND a female. If she is white, then this is tough - unless she is LGBTQ*** (assuming I’m missing some recently added initials).

Odds are he is screwed with today’s logic...

 

[MOHUSKER]

The police saw this video so I dont know how anyone could rationalize that this was rape.

They saw a video, they may or may not have a full video. The video may have been started mid-encounter, I think it's completely possible that she was forced or coerced but that isn't either caught on the video or was edited out. It's also possible that the victim gave up and just went along with 2 dudes who were two years older than her out of fear and they took a video. It's also possible that she was drugged, on drugs or intoxicated during the encounter which makes consent a legal issue. And yes, it's possible she is either lying or misremembering or miscategorizing the encounter. It's also possible that the kids had good lawyers and the DA chose to go with a plea deal rather than push rape charges.

Based on all the possible things, I don't see how anyone except the 3 people in the encounter can absolutely know what happened, and even at that they may not agree on what happened.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

They saw a video, they may or may not have a full video. The video may have been started mid-encounter, I think it's completely possible that she was forced or coerced but that isn't either caught on the video or was edited out. It's also possible that the victim gave up and just went along with 2 dudes who were two years older than her out of fear and they took a video. It's also possible that she was drugged, on drugs or intoxicated during the encounter which makes consent a legal issue. And yes, it's possible she is either lying or misremembering or miscategorizing the encounter. It's also possible that the kids had good lawyers and the DA chose to go with a plea deal rather than push rape charges.

Based on all the possible things, I don't see how anyone except the 3 people in the encounter can absolutely know what happened, and even at that they may not agree on what happened.

You...you kinda yelled at me before and called me names for saying this. Just saying!

 

[Ewooc]

Ehh, I don't know if cutting ties is necessary. Especially if he only gets probation. That would be a little overboard. The press hasn't been that bad (regarding NU, not Mo) and I think most people will be able to differentiate between something like this and actual sexual assault/rape since Mo had nothing to do with that aspect.

I believe his lawyer is being provided by the university. I could be wrong. If true, and If they had any immediate intention of booting him I don't think they would have hired him a lawyer. They would have just kicked him off the team, when this first came out and been done with him. Maybe it is standard practice by university in these type of situations.
To me that says they believe his side of the story and believe he deserves a chance to clear his name.

 

[Husker Todd_rivals48744]

But it is okay for you to presume how she should feel and how she possibly did or did not react. Got it! I can't stop reading this post there is so much in this post that is amazing.

Wow you are obtuse! Unlike you having stated repeatedly through 9 pages that she consented and was ashamed to admit to her parents that she was in a threesome, I merely gave an example of another scenario. Allow me to show you how English works, reading comprehension matters.

Yes, I agree.

I think once she found out she was a film star that having a conversation with her parents about always wanting a threesome changed to something else very quickly.

Why is it always a male who presumes to decide how a woman, or in this case a young girl of 15, should respond when being raped? Allegedly 2 males, that were likely bigger and stronger than her, raped her. The fact that she didn't fight or struggle is not an indication that she wasn't raped. Everyone does not react the same in stressful situations, she may have froze and thought it best if she didn't struggle for her safety.

So in your quote I have bolded what you said, while this is only your opinion it is in essence what you believe to have happened in your own words. In my quote the bolded part has nothing about I or me and what I believe, what it says implies possible scenario of what could have been the case. So I have presumed nothing. And thank you for acknowledging how much amazing was in my post.:Cool:

Where did I say I know how she feels? I am simply stating it is possible she lied to her parents. Taking into consideration the facts that we know. IE No charges being filed a year after the cops saw the video. Her only claiming rape after her parents saw it.
I am not saying it didn't happen. I haven't seen the tape, I haven't talked to the cops. You are saying these men are guilty going off of only the words of a teenager.

Okay for the first bolded sentence, in your own words.

We don't know what happened. Since this happened 3 years ago and the police have had the video for almost a year. Since there still have been no charges of rape. It is just a logical assumption that she might not be telling the truth. The simplest explanation is usually the correct answer. As I said the police have had the video for almost a year. If there was any indication of her fighting or struggling before, during or after. Charges would have been pressed.

Second bolded sentence, if you could please link me the article that said she only claimed rape after Mo sent the video. I have not seen that stated anywhere.

For the third bolded sentence, in my own words.

Why is it always a male who presumes to decide how a woman, or in this case a young girl of 15, should respond when being raped? Allegedly 2 males, that were likely bigger and stronger than her, raped her. The fact that she didn't fight or struggle is not an indication that she wasn't raped.

Shall I attach the definition of allegedly? I accused no one.

 

[inWV]

I believe his lawyer is being provided by the university. I could be wrong. If true, and If they had any immediate intention of booting him I don't think they would have hired him a lawyer. They would have just kicked him off the team, when this first came out and been done with him. Maybe it is standard practice by university in these type of situations.
To me that says they believe his side of the story and believe he deserves a chance to clear his name.

What is his side?

 

[MOHUSKER]

You...you kinda yelled at me before and called me names for saying this. Just saying!

I responded to you using the phrase film star, I still say that it is disgusting to use that in reference to a 15 year old.

 

[1NebrFan]

Honestly, no different, my response to Washington would likely be different than the response to the individuals accused of the assault. My anger would be directed to why this person thought it was okay to send my daughter a copy of the video 2-3 years after it happened.[/QUOTE
I have two daughters and had one of them willingly participated ....I would have told her about the consequences of poor decisions...I would have been very disappointed ( especially at the age of 15

They saw a video, they may or may not have a full video. The video may have been started mid-encounter, I think it's completely possible that she was forced or coerced but that isn't either caught on the video or was edited out. It's also possible that the victim gave up and just went along with 2 dudes who were two years older than her out of fear and they took a video. It's also possible that she was drugged, on drugs or intoxicated during the encounter which makes consent a legal issue. And yes, it's possible she is either lying or misremembering or miscategorizing the encounter. It's also possible that the kids had good lawyers and the DA chose to go with a plea deal rather than push rape charges.

Based on all the possible things, I don't see how anyone except the 3 people in the encounter can absolutely know what happened, and even at that they may not agree on what happened.

I agree 100% with your last paragraph....that is why I’m not going to pass judgment and I’m going to wait for all of the facts to come out.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Wow you are obtuse! Unlike you having stated repeatedly through 9 pages that she consented and was ashamed to admit to her parents that she was in a threesome, I merely gave an example of another scenario. Allow me to show you how English works, reading comprehension matters.




So in your quote you say I have bolded what you said, while this is only your opinion it is in essence what you believe to have happened in your own words. In my quote the bolded part has nothing about I or me and what I believe, what it says implies possible scenario of what could have been the case. So I have presumed nothing. And thank you for acknowledging how much amazing was in my post.:Cool:



Okay for the first bolded sentence, in your own words.



Second bolded sentence, if you could please link me the article that said she only claimed rape after Mo sent the video. I have not seen that stated anywhere.

For the third bolded sentence, in my own words.



Shall I attach the definition of allegedly? I accused no one.

Yes, please attach it.

And yes, it did say what you believe.

And "think" means "know"...Hmmm interesting!

But sure, attach it please. Thanks!

 

[phoenix4nu]

If it is all true, there is no way he is staying on the team. He will be gone for sure.

I agree. The question for me is whether it will put Frost in hot water IF the allegations are true and IF Frost knew about them before letting him on the team.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I responded to you using the phrase film star, I still say that it is disgusting to use that in reference to a 15 year old.

Soooo, you won't apologize?

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

I believe his lawyer is being provided by the university. I could be wrong. If true, and If they had any immediate intention of booting him I don't think they would have hired him a lawyer. They would have just kicked him off the team, when this first came out and been done with him. Maybe it is standard practice by university in these type of situations.
To me that says they believe his side of the story and believe he deserves a chance to clear his name.

I hope so.

#FreeMo

 

[Ewooc]

Wow you are obtuse! Unlike you having stated repeatedly through 9 pages that she consented and was ashamed to admit to her parents that she was in a threesome, I merely gave an example of another scenario. Allow me to show you how English works, reading comprehension matters.




So in your quote you say I have bolded what you said, while this is only your opinion it is in essence what you believe to have happened in your own words. In my quote the bolded part has nothing about I or me and what I believe, what it says implies possible scenario of what could have been the case. So I have presumed nothing. And thank you for acknowledging how much amazing was in my post.:Cool:



Okay for the first bolded sentence, in your own words.



Second bolded sentence, if you could please link me the article that said she only claimed rape after Mo sent the video. I have not seen that stated anywhere.

For the third bolded sentence, in my own words.



Shall I attach the definition of allegedly? I accused no one.

Why do you feel your opinion is more valid or important than mine or anyone elses? Especially when you call my opinion "trash" You have no more facts and probably less, than us who claim should might by lying. So again I ask why is you opinion more validated?

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Why do you feel your opinion is more valid or important than mine or anyone elses? Especially when you call my opinion "trash" You have no more facts and probably less, than us who claim should might by lying. So again I ask why is you opinion more validated?

Uh oh...get ready for a really loooooooooong answer

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

C

Uh oh...get ready for a really loooooooooong answer

Gonna preempt it with a TL;DR

 

[timnsun]

They saw a video, they may or may not have a full video. The video may have been started mid-encounter, I think it's completely possible that she was forced or coerced but that isn't either caught on the video or was edited out. It's also possible that the victim gave up and just went along with 2 dudes who were two years older than her out of fear and they took a video. It's also possible that she was drugged, on drugs or intoxicated during the encounter which makes consent a legal issue. And yes, it's possible she is either lying or misremembering or miscategorizing the encounter. It's also possible that the kids had good lawyers and the DA chose to go with a plea deal rather than push rape charges.

Based on all the possible things, I don't see how anyone except the 3 people in the encounter can absolutely know what happened, and even at that they may not agree on what happened.

First post on this, after reading everything...

I am conflicted with all of this. I have 3 daughters, no sons. If this was my daughter, I would be pretty broken up. More often than not, our experiences shape our stances. If I had a son and he did something like this, I would be pissed at him big time. But I would also fight like crazy to prevent his life from going in the crapper. I certainly wouldn’t be saying, “You made your bed. Now you got to lie in it.” What he did was stupid and wrong. If he is let go at Nebraska, so be it. And maybe I’m wrong for thinking this way, but whatever happens, I pray he learns from this and gets a second chance.

An awful lot of yelling back and forth... but if we can agree that there’s a ton we really don’t know at this time, why are so many throwing the book at him already? And conversely, why are so many discounting the girl’s account? We don’t have all the facts. Time to stop pontificating and let the proper authorities, not the message board experts, decide his fate.

Like litespeedhuskerfan said in page 2 or 3, I’m glad I’m not deciding this.

 

[wannabee8]

 

[JohnRossEwing]

C


Gonna preempt it with a TL;DR

I never really knew what that meant but now it seems to fit really well!

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Love it!

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I know this will sound off-color, but for me I don’t care if she was raped or not. I have said from the beginning that whether or not she was raped is irrelevant to Maurice Washington and his alleged crimes. I don’t know why that continues to get brought up. He was never accused of being in the video, not there when the video was made, wasn't the one taking the video. The only time or reason it wouldn’t matter, for Maurice Washington, is if this episode would be considered rape, and they upped the charges because he transmitted The video that had a crime on it. In which case federal authorities would need to get involved and not local California Authorities

 

[huskerfan1414]

I know this will sound off-color, but for me I don’t care if she was raped or not. I have said from the beginning that whether or not she was raped is irrelevant to Maurice Washington and his alleged crimes. I don’t know why that continues to get brought up. He was never accused of being in the video, no when the video was made, we’re taking the video. The only time or reason it wouldn’t matter for Maurice Washington that this episode would be considered rape, is if they upped the charges because he transmitted The video that had a crime on it. In which case federal authorities would need to get involved and not local California Authorities

I said the same thing twice above and it seems no one cares.
None of the rape stuff really matters in regards to Mo and what hes accused of doing. Makes no difference.

 

[Ewooc]

First post on this, after reading everything...

I am conflicted with all of this. I have 3 daughters, no sons. If this was my daughter, I would be pretty broken up. More often than not, our experiences shape our stances. If I had a son and he did something like this, I would be pissed at him big time. But I would also fight like crazy to prevent his life from going in the crapper. I certainly wouldn’t be saying, “You made your bed. Now you got to lie in it.” What he did was stupid and wrong. If he is let go at Nebraska, so be it. And maybe I’m wrong for thinking this way, but whatever happens, I pray he learns from this and gets a second chance.

An awful lot of yelling back and forth... but if we can agree that there’s a ton we really don’t know at this time, why are so many throwing the book at him already? And conversely, why are so many discounting the girl’s account? We don’t have all the facts. Time to stop pontificating and let the proper authorities, not the message board experts, decide his fate.

Like litespeedhuskerfan said in page 2 or 3, I’m glad I’m not deciding this.

Well said. Only 3 people know what really happened in that video. At this point as far as Nebraska and Mo is concerned it really doesn't matter and has no affect on what he is being charged with. What matters here is what consequences should he face given the current facts that we know of. Even these "facts" have not been proven yet. Maybe they have I don't know.
* He had a video of 3 underage people having sex
* He sent it to the girl (his ex) to attempt to hurt her is some way shape or form.
* He is being charged with distribution of child porn because of the video he sent
* He is being charged with Revenge Porn because of the video.
Those are the only 4 things that really matter at this point to him and the university. Base solely on those 4 things, my opinion is it is not enough to be kicked off the team. Especially since none of it happen while he was a student here or even in the state. Should he face some sort of discipline from Frost. I believe yes.

 

[Ewooc]

I know this will sound off-color, but for me I don’t care if she was raped or not. I have said from the beginning that whether or not she was raped is irrelevant to Maurice Washington and his alleged crimes. I don’t know why that continues to get brought up. He was never accused of being in the video, no when the video was made, we’re taking the video. The only time or reason it wouldn’t matter for Maurice Washington that this episode would be considered rape, is if they upped the charges because he transmitted The video that had a crime on it. In which case federal authorities would need to get involved and not local California Authorities

Agree, many are treating the 2 events as one and judging Mo base on what may have happened on the video. He is not responsible for what happened on that video in any way shape or form. He should be judged only on what he has been charged with at this point. Man I hope some of you people never make it to jury duty.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Well said. Only 3 people know what really happened in that video. At this point as far as Nebraska and Mo is concerned it really doesn't matter and has no affect on what he is being charged with. What matters here is what consequences should he face given the current facts that we know of. Even these "facts" have not been proven yet. Maybe they have I don't know.
* He had a video of 3 underage people having sex
* He sent it to the girl (his ex) to attempt to hurt her is some way shape or form.
* He is being charged with distribution of child porn because of the video he sent
* He is being charged with Revenge Porn because of the video.
Those are the only 4 things that really matter at this point to him and the university. Base solely on those 4 things, my opinion is it is not enough to be kicked off the team. Especially since none of it happen while he was a student here or even in the state. Should he face some sort of discipline from Frost. I believe yes.

From what I understand there is actually a (maybe lots) revenge porn site...where you can post pictures of your ex. The site is not against the law...but posting the picture is.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Well said. Only 3 people know what really happened in that video. At this point as far as Nebraska and Mo is concerned it really doesn't matter and has no affect on what he is being charged with. What matters here is what consequences should he face given the current facts that we know of. Even these "facts" have not been proven yet. Maybe they have I don't know.
* He had a video of 3 underage people having sex
* He sent it to the girl (his ex) to attempt to hurt her is some way shape or form.
* He is being charged with distribution of child porn because of the video he sent
* He is being charged with Revenge Porn because of the video.
Those are the only 4 things that really matter at this point to him and the university. Base solely on those 4 things, my opinion is it is not enough to be kicked off the team. Especially since none of it happen while he was a student here or even in the state. Should he face some sort of discipline from Frost. I believe yes.

What difference does it make if he was a student at Nebraska or not when it comes to discipline? You seem to be saying that since it happened before he got to Nebraska it shouldn’t matter but at the same time are OK with him being suspended or disciplined by the team. I don’t know if I am being clear or not but Your comment “especially since he wasn’t a student here or even in the state” seems out of place if you will

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Agree, many are treating the 2 events as one and judging Mo base on what may have happened on the video. He is not responsible for what happened on that video in any way shape or form. He should be judged only on what he has been charged with at this point. Man I hope some of you people never make it to jury duty.

I suppose it would speed up trials! "Guilty"

Ummm, sir...The judge just said "good morning"

 

[inWV]

I know this will sound off-color, but for me I don’t care if she was raped or not. I have said from the beginning that whether or not she was raped is irrelevant to Maurice Washington and his alleged crimes. I don’t know why that continues to get brought up. He was never accused of being in the video, no when the video was made, we’re taking the video. The only time or reason it wouldn’t matter for Maurice Washington that this episode would be considered rape, is if they upped the charges because he transmitted The video that had a crime on it. In which case federal authorities would need to get involved and not local California Authorities

Exactly. Mo’s side of the story was mentioned some comments ago. I don’t know what that would be. That he didn’t send it? Young guys do stupid things, some extra stupid things. I think Mo is in the latter basket. He will probably get by this, unless he was not truthful with NU on the matter. It happened before he was a student here. Bruning will get a deal and Mo will sit some games.
Even if Mo gets by this, the kid has some life issues that he needs to address or he runs the risk of blowing a great opportunity. He can play FB for money someday. Or he can become a cautionary tale.

 

[Ewooc]

What difference does it make if he was a student at Nebraska or not when it comes to discipline? You seem to be saying that since it happened before he got to Nebraska it shouldn’t matter but at the same time are OK with him being suspended or disciplined by the team. I don’t know if I am being clear or not but Your comment “especially since he wasn’t a student here or even in the state” seems out of place if you will

It really doesn't matter, just saying It had nothing to do with the University what so ever. Not like he was sitting in the dorm, using their wifi and sent the vid. My point was it all happened before he was here. Yet the university and coaches will face backlash for having him on the team. My only suggestion for discipline is because in today's nut job society, people would freak out if the university did absolutely nothing.

 

[Headcard]

This is a tough one. Let’s use our country’s current logic for judging people:

If he was a white male, the answer is easy. He is still a male, so that is going against him. If the female is a minority, the she trumps him being a minority AND a female. If she is white, then this is tough - unless she is LGBTQ*** (assuming I’m missing some recently added initials).

Odds are he is screwed with today’s logic...

Just stop. Why do white men try to act like we are victims of some kind of oppression?

 

[EATAFAT1]

Why is she looking at his ***? She's obviously raping him with her eyes. #METOO

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Exactly. Mo’s side of the story was mentioned some comments ago. I don’t know what that would be. That he didn’t send it? Young guys do stupid things, some extra stupid things. I think Mo is in the latter basket. He will probably get by this, unless he was not truthful with NU on the matter. It happened before he was a student here. Bruning will get a deal and Mo will sit some games.
Even if Mo gets by this, the kid has some life issues that he needs to address or he runs the risk of blowing a great opportunity. He can play FB for money someday. Or he can become a cautionary tale.

So you don't think there's anything that he could say that would provide context and that no mitigating circumstances might exist? Zero chance? That's just not right.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

I do trust in coach frost, if we lose mo we lose him, I think Bradley can be a really good back same as Rahmir Johnson. Everyone is replaceable. I just don't like to see disadvantaged people getting railroaded. When the wealthy people hire a big time attorney and walk away unscathed. Like oj, ray Lewis. Ted Kennedy

 

[Harry Caray]

It really doesn't matter, just saying It had nothing to do with the University what so ever. Not like he was sitting in the dorm, using their wifi and sent the vid. My point was it all happened before he was here. Yet the university and coaches will face backlash for having him on the team. My only suggestion for discipline is because in today's nut job society, people would freak out if the university did absolutely nothing.

The issue is whether the coaches knew about this before last season and still allowed him on the team. If so, they should face backlash, especially since Frost said very publicly that any recruits who posted negatively about women would be dropped.

 

[red-one21]

Huh? I am referencing thousands of years of legal practice that ignorance of law isn't considered a viable defense in criminal courts. I was using the Old Testament as a historical reference for dating purposes, not attempting to use religion as anything other than such.

You referred to the Old Testament as law. The written law and the punishments that come down are open to interpretation given the situation and the circumstances. To interpret and apply the law is kinda the whole purpose of the justice system. Your morals are irrelevant. The court will decide the consequences. Hopefully, if Mo’s time does come to an end that it’s b/c of the legal outcome and not the angry mob with the pitch forks. You do realize that you’re in the minority on what the consequences should be from all this?

 

[Can o' corn]

Agree, many are treating the 2 events as one and judging Mo base on what may have happened on the video. He is not responsible for what happened on that video in any way shape or form. He should be judged only on what he has been charged with at this point. Man I hope some of you people never make it to jury duty.

I was on a jury for a statutory rape case. We convicted the bum.

 

[red-one21]

I know this will sound off-color, but for me I don’t care if she was raped or not. I have said from the beginning that whether or not she was raped is irrelevant to Maurice Washington and his alleged crimes. I don’t know why that continues to get brought up. He was never accused of being in the video, no when the video was made, we’re taking the video. The only time or reason it wouldn’t matter for Maurice Washington that this episode would be considered rape, is if they upped the charges because he transmitted The video that had a crime on it. In which case federal authorities would need to get involved and not local California Authorities

Most are arguing justifiable punishment. Plenty of charges are made of a more serious nature to invoke a plea deal to the lesser charge. You can keep acting as though the law is cut and dry, but it’s not. It’s open to interpretation given the situation and circumstances. A majority of us as the poll shows believe that the circumstances don’t warrant an 18 year old w/ a romantic passed be treated as some backroom porn distributor. I don’t know why you feel the need to keep saying b/c it’s the law. It’s not b/c the law hasn’t been decided in this situation. Are you and redundo the same person?