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CoolDawg

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I haven't really seen this subject mentioned much, but I pose the question: in light of the Moorhead fiasco, should Cohen be fired? I was skeptical when Cohen was hired as A.D. Except for the revisionist history that claims he has instrumental in Mullen being hired, Cohen had absolutely nothing on his resume to suggest that he should have been hired as athletic director. I was concerned when he was hired that his hiring was based more on cronyism and/or nepotism than ability, because not one of the other 129 FBS schools would have even granted him an interview, much less hired him.

There were many reasons to question the Moorhead hire when it was made. His lack of experience in the SEC and his lack of knowledge about the south were major concerns to me. When Moorhead is fired, it will potentially cost MSU millions for Cohen's mistake in hiring Moorhead. Is there any other business where a manager could cost his employer millions of dollars and still keep his job? Also, does anyone really have confidence in Cohen to hire the next football coach? Aside from the Moorhead hire, there are things like the total cluster-17 of the game day operations at the beginning of this football season that bring into question whether Cohen is up to the job. What says the pack?
 
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Our athletic department overall is doing as well as it has any time ever. Baseball program is as good as ever. Basketball program just made ncaa tournament. Women’s basketball is elite. Football sucks *** right now, but the questions on Moorhead that you listed have been answered positively. He recruits his *** off and not being from the South has nothing to do with his team sucking ***. He is not a good head coach. His team is soft. People thought he would not be able to recruit. No one thought he would have X and O problems. He was the hottest coordinator anywhere.
 
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dwr4msu

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Athletic department is better than it has EVER been. When Cohen hired Moorhead, everyone in the college football world thought it was an outstanding hire. So no, Cohen is fine.
 
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Dawgzilla

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I dont think Cohen should be fired over Moorhead, at least not unless he hangs on to him for multiple losing seasons or something like that. But I am sensing some other dissatisfaction with how he runs the Department. An AD does a lot more than just hire and fire coaches. His job performance may be questionable as a separate issue from Moorhead's performance.
 
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dwr4msu said:
Athletic department is better than it has EVER been. When Cohen hired Moorhead, everyone in the college football world thought it was an outstanding hire. So no, Cohen is fine.
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Why is this so hard to understand?
 
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dwr4msu said:
Athletic department is better than it has EVER been. When Cohen hired Moorhead, everyone in the college football world thought it was an outstanding hire. So no, Cohen is fine.
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Football and Men’s basketball pay for everything.... Cohen rode in on Stricklin’s wave.... since that time he has had two bad hires Cannizzaro and Joe Moe...Lemonis appears to be a good hire... new Soccer and Volleyball appear to be good hires and jury is out on Softball and Track-Field...
Cohen’s big test is next year....but it looks like Cohen will be able to save money on lights and game day employees as most of the games next year will be at 11:00 am with 30,000 in the stands.
 
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No he shouldn’t be fired. As a whole the athletic department is in great shape right now
 
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CoolDawg said:
I haven't really seen this subject mentioned much, but I pose the question: in light of the Moorhead fiasco, should Cohen be fired? I was skeptical when Cohen was hired as A.D. Except for the revisionist history that claims he has instrumental in Mullen being hired, Cohen had absolutely nothing on his resume to suggest that he should have been hired as athletic director. I was concerned when he was hired that his hiring was based more on cronyism and/or nepotism than ability, because not one of the other 129 FBS schools would have even granted him an interview, much less hired him.

There were many reasons to question the Moorhead hire when it was made. His lack of experience in the SEC and his lack of knowledge about the south were major concerns to me. When Moorhead is fired, it will potentially cost MSU millions for Cohen's mistake in hiring Moorhead. Is there any other business where a manager could cost his employer millions of dollars and still keep his job? Also, does anyone really have confidence in Cohen to hire the next football coach? Aside from the Moorhead hire, there are things like the total cluster-17 of the game day operations at the beginning of this football season that bring into question whether Cohen is up to the job. What says the pack?
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You are ignoring the fact the football world applauded Cohen and Mississippi State for the Moorhead hire. It was seen as absolutely great hire. You can go back and find article after article saying the same. So my question is how could Cohen have possibly known what all of the experts missed?

Moorhead may (probably) won't turn this thing around but Cohen will be judged on his handling of the situation and the next hire versus the Moorhead hire. There was just too much potential upside to not hire Moorhead and unfortunately it just hasn't panned out.
 
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Just my opinion, but I don’t believe that Cohen should in any way be retroactively critiqued for his hiring of Moorhead. He should be critiqued based on how he handles things from this point forward

Well, that and how he chooses to handle this whole attendance situation. I get that there are some things within an AD’s control and some things that aren’t, but spare me the talk about increasing expenses when virtually every stadium renovation on campus is geared towards high dollar premium seating. If they want fans to start returning to men’s basketball and football, they need to spend a little less time worrying about the upper crust and more time worrying about the average Joes that make game day what it is
 
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Yakcr1983

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I think Cohen is a great AD. I also think he thought he found the absolute best HC just like we all did. Firing him shouldn't be an option unless he cant seem to fire JOMO in a timely manner.
 
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Leeshouldveflanked said:
Football and Men’s basketball pay for everything.... Cohen rode in on Stricklin’s wave.... since that time he has had two bad hires Cannizzaro and Joe Moe...Lemonis appears to be a good hire... new Soccer and Volleyball appear to be good hires and jury is out on Softball and Track-Field...
Cohen’s big test is next year....but it looks like Cohen will be able to save money on lights and game day employees as most of the games next year will be at 11:00 am with 30,000 in the stands.
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The Canizarro argument is pretty ridiculous. I'm pretty sure that Canz didn't tell Cohen that he had a thing for married staffers.
 
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johnson86-1

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CoolDawg said:
I haven't really seen this subject mentioned much, but I pose the question: in light of the Moorhead fiasco, should Cohen be fired? I was skeptical when Cohen was hired as A.D. Except for the revisionist history that claims he has instrumental in Mullen being hired, Cohen had absolutely nothing on his resume to suggest that he should have been hired as athletic director. I was concerned when he was hired that his hiring was based more on cronyism and/or nepotism than ability, because not one of the other 129 FBS schools would have even granted him an interview, much less hired him.

There were many reasons to question the Moorhead hire when it was made. His lack of experience in the SEC and his lack of knowledge about the south were major concerns to me. When Moorhead is fired, it will potentially cost MSU millions for Cohen's mistake in hiring Moorhead. Is there any other business where a manager could cost his employer millions of dollars and still keep his job? Also, does anyone really have confidence in Cohen to hire the next football coach? Aside from the Moorhead hire, there are things like the total cluster-17 of the game day operations at the beginning of this football season that bring into question whether Cohen is up to the job. What says the pack?
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Yes, any job where a manager has to make multimillion dollar decisions that are basically coin flips. I don't know if Cohen is a good AD or not, but the process for hiring Moorhead appeared to be very good looking at it from the outside.
 
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Yakcr1983 said:
I think Cohen is a great AD. I also think he thought he found the absolute best HC just like we all did. Firing him shouldn't be an option unless he cant seem to fire JOMO in a timely manner.
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Great is an overstatement in my view. But he's been okay. And I don't hold Moorhead's hiring against him. Let's see what he does from here.
 
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Bc people are dumb dumb dumb.

When he hired Moorhead it was very well thought of nationally. No one can see the future and hiring a coach is really 17ing hard. Even at Alabama and LSU and Texas a&m, etc etc
 
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Just spoke to John this morning. Asked him if he feels like he's on the hotseat. We spoke at length about it, and he authorized me to release a statement to SPS:

To all message board torch bearers:

I did what I thought was best at the time. I want to win, period. We all make mistakes. This one will be fixed. I love MSU, and anyone who says otherwise shall receive a swift kick in the nuts. Sometimes coaches don't work out. They may come and go, but this is intense and sometimes I'm a stubborn bastard. I'll be damned if a lazy carpetbagger comes in here and, in 24 short months, runs me off. Deal with it.

-Intense Bastard
 
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LT lost LT his job & firing LT probably cost Doc Foglesong his job. God Bless Doc Foglesong!
 
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Xenomorph

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Print that legend...

 
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Indndawg

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Nope, Cohen was duped with the smooth talk and people person persona

Cohen recover from the Coach Can fiasco pretty well. Think he's learned his lesson on hiring the bright and shiny coach
 
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Go Budaw

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Willow Grove Dawg said:
LT lost LT his job & firing LT probably cost Doc Foglesong his job. God Bless Doc Foglesong!
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I don’t think Fogelsong fired LT until the motion from some of our foundation members was filed. He supported the decision and made a solid replacement hire.

As far as what caused Fogelsong to lose his job, there’s no telling. That guy pissed off everybody. Can’t even remember if he left on his own or got terminated. He just painted a bunch of **** brown, then high tailed it out of there.
 
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Nobody he dealt with would piss on him if he was on fire. I know a guy he called at 7am on a Saturday to complain that there was bird **** on a stop sign that he saw on one of his morning runs.
 
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