Shooting in Minnesota

[Mr. Chen]

Has anyone heard a different version of the story than this one? http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

If this version is the truth, this situation is going to be bigger than anything we saw over the last couple of years.

 

[11thEagleFan]

I saw this last night. Truly terrible. I'm going to paraphrase an old saying. "Never ascribe to malice what stupidity can explain." It seems like a misunderstanding and a blunder cost a man his life. If you have a gun on you and you're cooperating, NEVER reach for it or anything else unless the officer asks you to. I guarantee the guy thought he was doing the right thing by telling the officer he had a weapon and that he was licensed to carry it. Then, like happens with a lot of young officers, he heard the word "gun" and went into tunnel vision while the guy was reaching for either the gun to surrender it, or his ID. Just a sad situation.

 

[mstateglfr]

ramblings.

- More guns will make everyone safer.**
- WT17 is wrong with people that skin color still affects how they act from person to person?
- I hope the officer didnt pull this family over or shoot because of skin color. Not that it makes a difference in the end, but if he just couldnt handle the situation and made a mistake, at least its an explainable tragedy. If skin color had anything to do with how the officer acted, charges need to be brought.
- Separating the mom and daughter for that long, if true, is egregious.
- How the 17 do you think to live stream something like this on Facebook while it happens? I wouldnt be able to even get my camera app open and hit record I would be such a mess. I mistakenly take a picture when I want to video record during boring stuff...no chance I could have live streamed this.

- my brother in law has been a police officer for 13 years. He is an officer, loves it, and doesnt want to move away from the patrol aspect. Holy hell do I ever want him to move away from the patrol aspect. There is only potential downside with every DB camera recording any little thing. He has been recorded dozens of times. Dozens. That **** would be unnerving on its own, and it is done only to hope for a reason to use it(a mess up). That isnt how our society or enforcement of laws should operate. Likewise, police also shouldnt be so quick to shoot. Thing is, the person in power(officer) may have a wife and kids at home who are just looking forward to him getting off work and going for a bike ride or to help with homework. Its unreasonable to expect the officer to sit there and put himself in a situation where he could be shot. Shooting first is awful, but its unreasonable to force a police officer to not draw a weapon until one is pointed at them. This line of comments isnt specific to this shooting, but it applies to conflicts in general.






I posted the following in a thread about mass shootings, but its just as applicable to single shootings.

People seem to cherish life less than they used to. Life is amazing and precious. It cant be brought back or replaced, yet more and more people seem to just devalue elife with a wave of their hand thes days.

Until we as a society make a concerted effort to value life and those around us, these attacks will never stop.


And when I say 'value life' what I mean is...
- stop having kids without a sound plan to care for them. It is irresponsible and immoral.
- stop using guns as a way to defend one's respect/turf/corner/block/girl. Walk the 17 away.
- teach kids and families to appreciate life instead thru inclusion and community support.
- stop killing our own citizens.
- stop occupying countries and killing others.


I dont expect any of this to change. It is a depressing reality that must be accepted.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Nietzsche predicted that our world "killing God" would make the 20th century the bloodiest in history. He was correct. If we are all here based in chance and it is just survival of the fittest then there is no morality at all, nor should we expect any because there is no moral framework. We just exist and continue to exist based on our ability to survive. All just animals of varying form and intellect.

 

[kired]

I tend to think the opposite

People seem to cherish life less than they used to. Life is amazing and precious. It cant be brought back or replaced, yet more and more people seem to just devalue elife with a wave of their hand thes days.

I'm no history teacher or anything, but I've always been under the opinion that people were much more ruthless for most of human existence than we are now. Nothing is hidden now, there are so many more people on earth today, most clustered together in large cities... so of course there are going to be homicides to report every day. There are a lot of terrible people out there. Always have been - always will be.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

People seem to cherish life less than they used to. Life is amazing and precious. It cant be brought back or replaced, yet more and more people seem to just devalue elife with a wave of their hand thes days.

Until we as a society make a concerted effort to value life and those around us, these attacks will never stop.

i disagree with this. Every generation has said something similar. what were people thinking during the world wars? When seeing crude pictures taken of the thousands of dead soldiers from Gettysburg? While at war with Napoleon? While dueling with pistols in colonial times? While burning people at the stake in Salem? While the Romans conquered their empire? Etc etc.

Social Media just amplifies something that has already been around. Senseless death, murder on a whim, and suffering has been around since man has walked the earth.

 

[tenureplan]

Force all cops to wear body cameras. Problem Solved.

 

[Colonel Angus.sixpack]

The cops in Baton Rouge were wearing body cameras

Force all cops to wear body cameras. Problem Solved.

How did that turn out?

 

[Hoover Dawg]

ramblings.

- More guns will make everyone safer.**
- WT17 is wrong with people that skin color still affects how they act from person to person?
- I hope the officer didnt pull this family over or shoot because of skin color. Not that it makes a difference in the end, but if he just couldnt handle the situation and made a mistake, at least its an explainable tragedy. If skin color had anything to do with how the officer acted, charges need to be brought.
- Separating the mom and daughter for that long, if true, is egregious.
- How the 17 do you think to live stream something like this on Facebook while it happens? I wouldnt be able to even get my camera app open and hit record I would be such a mess. I mistakenly take a picture when I want to video record during boring stuff...no chance I could have live streamed this.

- my brother in law has been a police officer for 13 years. He is an officer, loves it, and doesnt want to move away from the patrol aspect. Holy hell do I ever want him to move away from the patrol aspect. There is only potential downside with every DB camera recording any little thing. He has been recorded dozens of times. Dozens. That **** would be unnerving on its own, and it is done only to hope for a reason to use it(a mess up). That isnt how our society or enforcement of laws should operate. Likewise, police also shouldnt be so quick to shoot. Thing is, the person in power(officer) may have a wife and kids at home who are just looking forward to him getting off work and going for a bike ride or to help with homework. Its unreasonable to expect the officer to sit there and put himself in a situation where he could be shot. Shooting first is awful, but its unreasonable to force a police officer to not draw a weapon until one is pointed at them. This line of comments isnt specific to this shooting, but it applies to conflicts in general.




I posted the following in a thread about mass shootings, but its just as applicable to single shootings.

People seem to cherish life less than they used to. Life is amazing and precious. It cant be brought back or replaced, yet more and more people seem to just devalue elife with a wave of their hand thes days.

Until we as a society make a concerted effort to value life and those around us, these attacks will never stop.


And when I say 'value life' what I mean is...
- stop having kids without a sound plan to care for them. It is irresponsible and immoral.
- stop using guns as a way to defend one's respect/turf/corner/block/girl. Walk the 17 away.
- teach kids and families to appreciate life instead thru inclusion and community support.
- stop killing our own citizens.
- stop occupying countries and killing others.


I dont expect any of this to change. It is a depressing reality that must be accepted.

Most of this post is flat out incorrect.

There is some heavy-duty deception going down in this country right now.

 

[tenureplan]

It's not over yet; but if your camera conveniently stops working as does your fellow officers, then the officer who fired faces a grand jury for murder.