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Gromcat_rivals

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man you even spin the facts
it must be painful to root for a team when you hate their coach so much

BTW i am sure you read the thread where SS camp said pretty much what i just told you

lol how old are you champ? Do you usually fall for fluff nonsense? He’s not coming back are you serious? This is absurd.

I don’t hate Cal, why do you hate UK?
 

mebeblue2

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lol how old are you champ? Do you usually fall for fluff nonsense? He’s not coming back are you serious? This is absurd.

I don’t hate Cal, why do you hate UK?
again with a ridiculous response. how old are you speed racer?

unlike you i am not the type of person that goes around calling others liars before anything even happens
if SS leaves before playing then by all means call them all liars
until then act like you got some sense

i was rooting for UK before you were a dirty thought in your fathers mind
 

Gromcat_rivals

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again with a ridiculous response. how old are you speed racer?

unlike you i am not the type of person that goes around calling others liars before anything even happens
if SS leaves before playing then by all means call them all liars
until then act like you got some sense

i was rooting for UK before you were a dirty thought in your fathers mind

Ah the ole go around and attack people and when they hit back act like their response is ridiculous. You whine more than anyone on this board. Constant whining, constant issues with anyone that has opinions about what Cal is doing win the program. You need to get a grip, of course they’re lying. You think John Calipari doesn’t know that a top rated high school prospect will be eligible for a draft? Over HIGH SCHOOL GRADES.

Didn’t Cal say if you’re a top pick you CANNOT come back to UK? Was Fox lying (since you don’t call people liars) when he said Calipari couldn’t care less about winning college basketball games?

What you are is a member of the Cal Cult and it’s rotting your ability to think straight. I’ve said many times, I’m praying Calipari gets it together and gets us back to where we need to be. Maybe he is the best fit for it. But this little Cal Cult is pushing things too far and some of you need to get some help or at minimum, allow me to sell you a few cars.
 

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Saying no to SS committing to UK , and saying no to SS committing to UK, arriving early, saying he is playing next season, sitting the bench, using the UK brand, and exiting without playing one single minute, IS TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMALS!

Not one coach, not K, not Self, not Pearl, not Pitino, no other coach other than one John V. Calipari would even consider such ridiculous BS!

And that is why SS is sitting on the UK bench, and not anywhere else.
You really have to be kidding yourself to think any of those coaches would have said no to Sharpe enrolling early.

You also have to be kidding yourself to think this was a discussed plan with Cal. The discussed plan has been reported numerous times. He was going to sit this year and play next. That is why Cal, and any other coach in America would have taken him.

If he leaves, he leaves. Nothing we can do to stop him. He will be the first player I know of to EVER do that. And he won't be the last others will follow his lead and do it to, wait for it, other teams and coaches.

Why everyone acts like this was some dastardly plan by Cal and Sharpe is beyond me.
 

kyjeff1

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I know you're being facetious....but this is the exact same question I can't get an answer from "players first fans" for either basketball or football.

If it's rationale for Sharpe to not risk injury (and let's be fair...ACL, ankles, achilles, etc..are all completely healable in today's medicine) and chance his $5M NBA salary next year....why should TyTy come back and not just opt out as well? What is the big difference?

Why did Quickley need to finish out his last year once he got established as a legit NBA draft guard? Same for Monk, Fox, etc...Why does any player need to play the entire year once they've shown all they needed to NBA teams for next draft season? Sort of like what players in minor leagues do for the MLB team is all that matters and even if you're Triple AAA team is in first place....bang you get called up and who cares how that team finishes. Can I get a legit answer to the "Players first fans"?
It’s just a matter of time before a guaranteed lottery pick seriously hurts himself and takes a tumble in the draft. Once one player sees that and opts out to save his draft projection, it will become a thing.

I'm surprised it hasn't already started happening.
 
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LowCountryCat

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man you even spin the facts
it must be painful to root for a team when you hate their coach so much

BTW i am sure you read the thread where SS camp said pretty much what i just told you
This is a classic response - once the pumpers are out of arguments they start making it personal.
 
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You really have to be kidding yourself to think any of those coaches would have said no to Sharpe enrolling early.

You also have to be kidding yourself to think this was a discussed plan with Cal. The discussed plan has been reported numerous times. He was going to sit this year and play next. That is why Cal, and any other coach in America would have taken him.

If he leaves, he leaves. Nothing we can do to stop him. He will be the first player I know of to EVER do that. And he won't be the last others will follow his lead and do it to, wait for it, other teams and coaches.

Why everyone acts like this was some dastardly plan by Cal and Sharpe is beyond me.
You really are okay with this kind of thing happening over and over again? Because that's what's going to happen if Cal gets away with this. We will become a clearing house for transient high schoolers on their way to the NBA - only THIS TIME, they won't actually play for us. Your "Oh well, whatever LOL" attitude is NOT that of a true fan. You're just a casual fan. You don't care about winning?
 

kyjeff1

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Kids? I hate this statement. Someone, over 18, is here making a ton of NIL money and may be a multi-millionaire in a few months - and use the term "kid".
We should prolly tell Cal to stop saying things like: "it's about these kids and what's best for them" and "if I do right by these kids, they'll do the right thing" or "we're talking about someone's child" or "we wanted to get 8 kids drafted, not win a title"
 

kyjeff1

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I can't imagine that if Sharpe is projected to go where he's going in the NBA draft that he would ever think about coming back next year.

At the same rate, everyone is different. It seems like both Cal and Sharpe's camp realized him being eligible for the draft was at least a possibility and yet his camp has been firmly in the "we are going to wait and he's going to play at UK next year" stance.

While I think it's unlikely. Who knows for sure. Like I said, sometimes people are just different and do things that you wouldn't otherwise expect them to.

Why would a major big time recruit go to a non blueblood or non popular basketball school? Yet some do.

I hope Sharpe plays this season. If not, then next year. But I think I'll just watch my current basketball team and see what happens in the future.

I think that some are so focused on this that they are missing out on a pretty good basketball team even without him.
Yeah, but what if Cal gets this wrong? What if Sharpe doesn't play this year, based on the assumption he’s going to play next year, we lose in the E8 and he bolts for the NBA?
How can any true UK fan be okay with that?
All those statements Cal has made in the past (it's not about titles, it's about getting players drafted, type statements) will be brought to the forefront and he'll certainly double down after a cool shoulder shrug.
I'm not good with that and no other "UK fan" should be either.
 

kyjeff1

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I feel like that logic with the 2nd contract and stuff was used by a very small minority though and the more prevailing thought was they just wanted to get to the $$$ faster period.
Wait, you think the 2nd contract being the most important contract is a myth? Am I reading that right?
 
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Yeah, but what if Cal gets this wrong? What if Sharpe doesn't play this year, based on the assumption he’s going to play next year, we lose in the E8 and he bolts for the NBA?
How can any true UK fan be okay with that?
All those statements Cal has made in the past (it's not about titles, it's about getting players drafted, type statements) will be brought to the forefront and he'll certainly double down after a cool shoulder shrug.
I'm not good with that and no other "UK fan" should be either.

I understand why it would look bad. It would certainly give off an impression that we only got him to prepare him for the NBA without any intentions on playing him.

But this is the number 1 recruit in the class. It's not the norm. You have to weigh the pros and cons here with everything.

I mean one of three things is going to happen here. 1) He'll play this season. 2) He'll play next season or 3) He won't play any season and go to the NBA draft. Two of those situations are very favorable to UK. And I don't believe there's a major downside in the last one. If three happens, people will talk. But people talk anyways about Cal's process, even die hard UK fans. Let them talk IMO. It's not as if getting him prevented us from grabbing any other player. At the bare minimum he's practicing with the team and he's just another very good player that might make others better by practicing against him.

Everyone so focused on titles titles titles. Everyone upset because during this Cal era we only have one. So he brings in the top recruit, someone that CAN help us win a title and people are upset over a situation that MAY or MAY NOT happen.
 

kyjeff1

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I understand why it would look bad. It would certainly give off an impression that we only got him to prepare him for the NBA without any intentions on playing him.

But this is the number 1 recruit in the class. It's not the norm. You have to weigh the pros and cons here with everything.

I mean one of three things is going to happen here. 1) He'll play this season. 2) He'll play next season or 3) He won't play any season and go to the NBA draft. Two of those situations are very favorable to UK. And I don't believe there's a major downside in the last one. If three happens, people will talk. But people talk anyways about Cal's process, even die hard UK fans. Let them talk IMO. It's not as if getting him prevented us from grabbing any other player. At the bare minimum he's practicing with the team and he's just another very good player that might make others better by practicing against him.

Everyone so focused on titles titles titles. Everyone upset because during this Cal era we only have one. So he brings in the top recruit, someone that CAN help us win a title and people are upset over a situation that MAY or MAY NOT happen.
I get not putting him in at Auburn, but if he’s THAT good, he should have been playing Tuesday night and he should be playing Saturday night.
If he's good enough to man up against Durant, Morant and 'Bron, he's good enough to play against Mississippi state or anybody KU has.
 
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I get not putting him in at Auburn, but if he’s THAT good, he should have been playing Tuesday night and he should be playing Saturday night.
If he's good enough to man up against Durant, Morant and 'Bron, he's good enough to play against Mississippi state or anybody KU has.

I'm not sure it has to do with him not being good enough.

We both agree if he doesn't play this season, it's unlikely he's playing at all at UK.

But it seems to be the intention of him enrolling early was always focused on getting ready for "next season". Whether this happens or not I guess we will all find out. Why they are doing this I have no clue whatsoever. I'm of the mindset that if there's a chance he'll leave after this season (which is obviously high) and he's on the team this season, you play him this season before he goes.

But I'm not going to freak out about it either. If he doesn't play this season, I still think we can make a deep run and who knows maybe win it all. There's really no team out there where I think oh UK definitely cannot beat them. No one strikes me as unbeatable this season.

Then if next year rolls around and he's not on the team, I'll be upset about it.

I'm not going to let it factor into my enjoyment of this season tho. Every single game thread will have posts wondering why Sharpe isn't playing. Especially if we are losing. I prefer to focus on the ones that are playing.

I like my team.
 

kyjeff1

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I'm not sure it has to do with him not being good enough.

We both agree if he doesn't play this season, it's unlikely he's playing at all at UK.

But it seems to be the intention of him enrolling early was always focused on getting ready for "next season". Whether this happens or not I guess we will all find out. Why they are doing this I have no clue whatsoever. I'm of the mindset that if there's a chance he'll leave after this season (which is obviously high) and he's on the team this season, you play him this season before he goes.

But I'm not going to freak out about it either. If he doesn't play this season, I still think we can make a deep run and who knows maybe win it all. There's really no team out there where I think oh UK definitely cannot beat them. No one strikes me as unbeatable this season.

Then if next year rolls around and he's not on the team, I'll be upset about it.

I'm not going to let it factor into my enjoyment of this season tho. Every single game thread will have posts wondering why Sharpe isn't playing. Especially if we are losing. I prefer to focus on the ones that are playing.

I like my team.
Well, we're about to find out where Cal's priorities are.
I really hope he doesn't get this wrong.
A win at KU, could be our ticket to a 1 or 2 seed, that's an important game, so hopefully he does everything posdible to win that game. If Sharpe is a lottery pick, Braun damn sure won't be able to check him.
 
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Well, we're about to find out where Cal's priorities are.
I really hope he doesn't get this wrong.
A win at KU, could be our ticket to a 1 or 2 seed, that's an important game, so hopefully he does everything posdible to win that game. If Sharpe is a lottery pick, Braun damn sure won't be able to check him.

I don't even know TBH this does really tell us all that much.

Did Cal recruit Sharpe KNOWING he'd be eligible for the draft and that he had no intentions on playing at UK ever?

Or did Cal recruit Sharpe listening to what his camp said about being committed to playing basketball next season? Realizing there was a chance he might be eligible but that he was still committed to playing at one point.

There's an issue with the first IMO. Not so much the second. The thing is we will never know the truth. Even if he decides to bolt without playing. I guess at that point people can say well this is why you don't listen to what people say. But after having misses in recruiting quite a bit from 2015 onward, how can you not trust Sharpe's camp and take that recruit? I mean you have to. Sharpe is the kind of player we've been missing here. We've gotten some very good players but we haven't had a big time recruit in years. We've been wanting to get THIS TYPE of player for a long long time now. This is why if Cal was say lied to or situations changed in Sharpe's camp, I don't know how upset I can really be about it. In other words if there's the SLIGHTEST chance of him suiting up be it this season or next, you have to take him.
 

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Ah the ole go around and attack people and when they hit back act like their response is ridiculous. You whine more than anyone on this board. Constant whining, constant issues with anyone that has opinions about what Cal is doing win the program. You need to get a grip, of course they’re lying. You think John Calipari doesn’t know that a top rated high school prospect will be eligible for a draft? Over HIGH SCHOOL GRADES.

Didn’t Cal say if you’re a top pick you CANNOT come back to UK? Was Fox lying (since you don’t call people liars) when he said Calipari couldn’t care less about winning college basketball games?

What you are is a member of the Cal Cult and it’s rotting your ability to think straight. I’ve said many times, I’m praying Calipari gets it together and gets us back to where we need to be. Maybe he is the best fit for it. But this little Cal Cult is pushing things too far and some of you need to get some help or at minimum, allow me to sell you a few cars.
it was ridiculous

instead of constant bitching about something that has not happened yet, sit back and enjoy this season
 

LowCountryCat

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I understand why it would look bad. It would certainly give off an impression that we only got him to prepare him for the NBA without any intentions on playing him.

But this is the number 1 recruit in the class. It's not the norm. You have to weigh the pros and cons here with everything.

I mean one of three things is going to happen here. 1) He'll play this season. 2) He'll play next season or 3) He won't play any season and go to the NBA draft. Two of those situations are very favorable to UK. And I don't believe there's a major downside in the last one. If three happens, people will talk. But people talk anyways about Cal's process, even die hard UK fans. Let them talk IMO. It's not as if getting him prevented us from grabbing any other player. At the bare minimum he's practicing with the team and he's just another very good player that might make others better by practicing against him.

Everyone so focused on titles titles titles. Everyone upset because during this Cal era we only have one. So he brings in the top recruit, someone that CAN help us win a title and people are upset over a situation that MAY or MAY NOT happen.
From what I understand, Sharpe can't help us. He's not ready.

Per Cal, of course.

His teammates think differently but it's not up to them.

But apparently he's good enough to be drafted #7.
 
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kyjeff1

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I don't even know TBH this does really tell us all that much.

Did Cal recruit Sharpe KNOWING he'd be eligible for the draft and that he had no intentions on playing at UK ever?

Or did Cal recruit Sharpe listening to what his camp said about being committed to playing basketball next season? Realizing there was a chance he might be eligible but that he was still committed to playing at one point.

There's an issue with the first IMO. Not so much the second. The thing is we will never know the truth. Even if he decides to bolt without playing. I guess at that point people can say well this is why you don't listen to what people say. But after having misses in recruiting quite a bit from 2015 onward, how can you not trust Sharpe's camp and take that recruit? I mean you have to. Sharpe is the kind of player we've been missing here. We've gotten some very good players but we haven't had a big time recruit in years. We've been wanting to get THIS TYPE of player for a long long time now. This is why if Cal was say lied to or situations changed in Sharpe's camp, I don't know how upset I can really be about it. In other words if there's the SLIGHTEST chance of him suiting up be it this season or next, you have to take him.
Something tells me Cal is not playing SS right now because he made some kind of an agreement with his camp.
IDK, I hope he integrates him into this team, because this becomes a title winning type team with him. I mean, we could win a title without him, but with him… .
 

LowCountryCat

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Something tells me Cal is not playing SS right now because he made some kind of an agreement with his camp.
IDK, I hope he integrates him into this team, because this becomes a title winning type team with him. I mean, we could win a title without him, but with him… .
Yeah if we fall short in the tourney, especially if we make the EE, and Sharpe didn't play, Cal will have a lot to answer for.

Of course, his defenders will find a way to excuse everything. "Wait till next year and see how it all plays out...we had a great season why can't you enjoy it?...You can't win a title every year..." blah blah blah
 
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kyjeff1

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it was ridiculous

instead of constant bitching about something that has not happened yet, sit back and enjoy this season
LOL, jeez man, we're having conversations about some meaty topics on an internet forum. When someone says something that isn't in line with your opinions, it must mean they're bitching.
You act like everyone else is way out in left field with their concerns on this stuff.
Newsflash, you aren't running the show here, everyone has a right to their own opinions, you don't get to make the rules.
 

kyjeff1

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Yeah if we fall short in the tourney, especially if we make the EE, and Sharpe didn't play, Cal will have a lot to answer for.

Of course, his defenders will find a way to excuse everything. "Wait till next year and see how it all plays out...we had a great season why can't you enjoy it?...You can't win a title every year..." blah blah blah
His defenders think elite 8's are banner worthy.
I'm amazed at these new fans, they don't get it.
It'll hit them eventually.
 
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Something tells me Cal is not playing SS right now because he made some kind of an agreement with his camp.
IDK, I hope he integrates him into this team, because this becomes a title winning type team with him. I mean, we could win a title without him, but with him… .

I don't know but man I hope we do see him and I hope it's this season. It takes us into serious title contending category.
 
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From what I understand, Sharpe can't help us. He's not ready.

Per Cal, of course.

His teammates think differently but it's not up to them.

But apparently he's good enough to be drafted #7.

I think that's just coach speak. It's BS IMO.

But I get why he's saying it.

If Sharpe does play this season, the expectations are going to be through the roof. I think this is Cal's way of tempering expectations as to not put it all on the shoulders of one kid.

Or if we are looking at this in a negative light much easier to say he's not ready than to say oh he's not playing because we don't want to injure him before the draft lol.
 

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You really are okay with this kind of thing happening over and over again? Because that's what's going to happen if Cal gets away with this. We will become a clearing house for transient high schoolers on their way to the NBA - only THIS TIME, they won't actually play for us. Your "Oh well, whatever LOL" attitude is NOT that of a true fan. You're just a casual fan. You don't care about winning?

The guy that pees and moans on every thread about anything he can find to get his panties in a wad about questioning anyone's fanhood??? Thanks for the laugh.

Do I want this to happen? No. Can I do anything about it? No Do I want our coach to pass on the top players because this might happen? No
 

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What I find disturbing is that this is news to anyone.

He may stay or he may go. Him staying only because we didn’t play him this season and therefore scouts didn’t focus on him.——Didn’t focus on one of the highest consensus ranked recruits ever——How did people think that was ever on the table?

I hope he plays this year as I’ve always hoped. If he doesn’t, I won’t be mad because he didn’t hurt us. How did he hurt us? I’ll be disappointed but I’ll be neither mad nor pointing fingers.
 

Gromcat_rivals

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it was ridiculous

instead of constant bitching about something that has not happened yet, sit back and enjoy this season

Not bad advice I think I’ll take it for now. We better enjoy Oscar in the moment because we probably won’t again see an unpaid player with a special connection to UK and the fans ever again. At least not one this dominant.
 
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Almost as creepy as someone who sets up multiple accounts on a sports message board after mods continuously kick him off. CREEPY.

If you think someone doing that is creepier than grown men throwing their milk all over the floor over what an 18 year old stranger does, I feel sorry for you. LOL See ya bud.
 

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If you think someone doing that is creepier than grown men throwing their milk all over the floor over what an 18 year old stranger does, I feel sorry for you. LOL See ya bud.
What about throwing milk all over the floor every time a mod bans you?

Start a new email.
Start a new user name.
Post.
Get kicked off.
Throw milk on floor.
Start a new email.
Start a new user name.

All of that, when measured against fans who simply want the best guard in the nation to suit up for the program them love? Yeah, the former looks a lot creepier by comparison.
 
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