Shaq vs. Lebron

Johnnie Africa

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I mean can’t you find video of anyone having a bad day and not signing an autograph and everyone having a good day and signing any autograph? Seems like a totally silly video. I would hate being a famous person as I’m sometimes stressed and having a bad day and couldn’t imagine random strangers getting in my face all the time asking me to sign something good lord that would be annoying
 

TrueBluePhil

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I mean can’t you find video of anyone having a bad day and not signing an autograph and everyone having a good day and signing any autograph? Seems like a totally silly video. I would hate being a famous person as I’m sometimes stressed and having a bad day and couldn’t imagine random strangers getting in my face all the time asking me to sign something good lord that would be annoying
More fake compassion
 
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I was at a White Sox game back in the early 2000's and watched Ichiro sign autographs and take pictures for over an hour and didn't make a dent in his crowd. Later on he ran on the field to warm up as more fans begged for his attention and got ignored. Many of which walked away muttering about how unfriendly he was.

Remembering thinking even the good guys cant please everyone and felt sorry for a guy making millions to play baseball.
 

Nightwish

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Maybe I’m missing something. What does this have to do with LeBron?
It became really cool a few years ago to begin acting like LeBron was the antichrist on Rafters lol. Meanwhile in his entire career, and I'll even throw in when he was having his high school games shown on ESPN, he's done one eyerolling thing and that was The Decision special. And even then, it did huge ratings so you can understand why ESPN wanted it. But here? You'd think he's beating up women at city bus stops or something.
 

berniecarbo

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The old St Louis Hawks used to come to Murray State every year for an exhibition game. Got to see a lot of the stars of the 50's. One night Bob Pettit had a bad game and stayed on the court and shot for 45 minutes after the game. A bunch of us kids stayed for autographs. He signed them all before going to the locker room. He was no LeBron, but he won 2 MVP and finished in the top 4 eight times.
 

Cowtown Cat

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It became really cool a few years ago to begin acting like LeBron was the antichrist on Rafters lol. Meanwhile in his entire career, and I'll even throw in when he was having his high school games shown on ESPN, he's done one eyerolling thing and that was The Decision special. And even then, it did huge ratings so you can understand why ESPN wanted it. But here? You'd think he's beating up women at city bus stops or something.
LMAO the LeBron Defender! Every.single.time! It’s comical at this point. 🤣
 

BBNinSCar

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LMAO the LeBron Defender! Every.single.time! It’s comical at this point. 🤣
LeBron has been a star since he was a teenager.
He is a family man that despite all his fame and riches has never had one ounce of controversy.
It’s not the LBJ defenders that are wrong, it’s the people who continue to bash this guy for no reason. The same LeBron bashers mostly love Michael Jordan who is one of the biggest asshats ever to play basketball.
 

Nightwish

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LeBron has been a star since he was a teenager.
He is a family man that despite all his fame and riches has never had one ounce of controversy.
It’s not the LBJ defenders that are wrong, it’s the people who continue to bash this guy for no reason. The same LeBron bashers mostly love Michael Jordan who is one of the biggest asshats ever to play basketball.
He's a troll. He quoted one person and his post wasn't anything of substance. No actual conversation about what was said in my post. A betting man might say he'll do it again because he wants a childish back and forth. Like Luther said, what does Shaq being a great dude have anything to do with LeBron? It's a silly video and an attempt to make LeBron into a terrible person when decades in the brightest spotlight has shown he's not.
 

TrueBluePhil

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He's a troll. He quoted one person and his post wasn't anything of substance. No actual conversation about what was said in my post. A betting man might say he'll do it again because he wants a childish back and forth. Like Luther said, what does Shaq being a great dude have anything to do with LeBron? It's a silly video and an attempt to make LeBron into a terrible person when decades in the brightest spotlight has shown he's not.
Lebron is nothing but a rich POS
 

CrimsonCats_rivals

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Shaq has undeniably done quite a bit of good over the years, and it does seem like a lot of his fan interactions come from a genuine place. It’s hard for me to square that with the stories of all the vile things he used to do in locker rooms that he’s honestly lucky he didn’t catch charges for in some cases. People aren’t always easy to categorize as all good or bad based on small glimpses of their life like that.

That just makes it even crazier to me that so many people act like Lebron is one of the worst of the worst when his controversies if you could even call them that pale in comparison to a lot of guys who are still more or less well regarded. I may get myself in trouble for this, but I’m going to say that I think a good bit of it may come from him fairly openly having politics in a polarized time and leave it at that.
 
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Dr.LutherSan

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Shaq has undeniably done quite a bit of good over the years, and it does seem like a lot of his fan interactions come from a genuine place. It’s hard for me to square that with the stories of all the vile things he used to do in locker rooms that he’s honestly lucky he didn’t catch charges for in some cases. People aren’t always easy to categorize as all good or bad based on small glimpses of their life like that.

That just makes it even crazier to me that so many people act like Lebron is one of the worst of the worst when his controversies if you could even call them that pale in comparison to a lot of guys who are still more or less well regarded. I may get myself in trouble for this, but I’m going to say that I think a good bit of it may come from him fairly openly having politics in a polarized time and leave it at that.
If LeBron said the things that John Rocker has said then he would be a hero on here.
 

Nightwish

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Lebron is nothing but a rich POS
I'm not your FB page lol. If you're going to quote someone, give that person reasons why you feel the way you do. That's how conversations work. I'm not a journalist and have no desire to pull that information out of you. You didn't need to quote someone just to say you don't like LeBron. Just say it within the thread if you don't want to expand on why you feel as strongly as you do.
 

CatinIL

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Basketball wise, if we’re talking about both players in their prime, I would go with Shaq. LBJ has ALOT more range on the court but SO was such a dominant presence down low.
 

Dead Cat Bounce

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At least 50 percent of the material that comes through my Facebook feed is LeBron ragebait, trying to troll me with LeBron-MJ comparisons. More recently, I'm seeing a ton of baiting materials having to do with Caitlyn Clark and other flashpoint players the WNBA.

This is not a critique of the OP or anybody in this thread. I realize these topics hold genuine interest. But it's so exhausting to be daily drenched in manufactured controversy, created to polarize us.
 

Glenn's Take

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You can be a lot worse person than Shaq and still be a really good person.

I understand why people would want to be rich but for the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would want to be famous.
 

CrimsonCats_rivals

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Like the Gordon Giricek incident?
Multiple teammates have spoken about how he often did things involving his own literal crap. Among them that he saved it up in buckets to dump on rookies when they were showering, and that he once put it inside a rookie’s shoes for not doing hazing duties to his satisfaction.

There’s also the well known story that he put Lou Amundsen’s mouth guard up his own butt, then put it back in an unsuspecting Amundsen’s locker while threatening the rest of the team that they’d get the same treatment if they told anyone. He probably says it was all pranks, but when your pranks are literally a health hazard to the recipients, that crosses a line for me. You’d probably catch assault charges if you intentionally dumped a bucket of poop on someone in any other setting.
 

Shaudylo

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Like the Gordon Giricek incident?
I don’t know about the Giricek one but Crimson touched on the one that stuck out the most . The Lou Amundsen story is the one that stuck out the most . He has a few stories out there involving him using his poop as a prank .
 

Nightwish

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One thing's for certain - in the 1980s and 1990s, many manly athletes were really into playing with their feces, stripping men nude in locker rooms, and either shoving or threatening to shove objects in people's butts. For the love of the game I guess?
 
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