Seriously, how can anyone support this?

UrHuckleberry

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It’s called branding.

When you protect illegals you will be branded as such. When your judges is break the law to protect illegals while leaving the actual victims alone in court, you’ll be branded as the protector of illegals..

When your governor instruct their employees to break the law, you’ll be branded.

I know that’s not how YOU personally see it, but the overwhelming majority see it that way.

YOU seem reasonable, the far left of your party does not. The far left is winning as they are directing the direction of your party.

We want democrats like you to speak up.
Literally every single person I've seen post on this board also agrees with this. Feels like when I listen to the actual words of democrats that are quoted (not republican interpretation of their words or motivations), they also agree with me.

So to me, I likely agree with you about branding. In that people with a hot poker of lies are branding them with an opinion they don't actually hold. A twisting of the facts to keep people riled up.
 

fatpiggy

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Literally every single person I've seen post on this board also agrees with this. Feels like when I listen to the actual words of democrats that are quoted (not republican interpretation of their words or motivations), they also agree with me.

So to me, I likely agree with you about branding. In that people with a hot poker of lies are branding them with an opinion they don't actually hold. A twisting of the facts to keep people riled up.

But you aren't quoting the people making bad decisions. You want us to ignore them?

You have judges actively working to undermine the will of the people. Have you quoted the Wisconsin Govenor? Have you quoted Illinois Governor Pritzker?

We have far left judges and prominent Govenors not just working against the will of the people, but actively undermining the law.

Serious question, do you want us to ignore that?

What should MAGA's do when Government officials ARE BREAKING THE LAW to oppose the will of the people?

This is free advertising for us, of course we are going to harp on it UNTIL IT STOPS.
 
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UrHuckleberry

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But you aren't quoting the people making bad decisions. You want us to ignore them?

You have judges actively working to undermine the will of the people. Have you quoted the Wisconsin Govenor? Have you quoted Illinois Governor Pritzker?

We have far left judges and prominent Govenors not just working against the will of the people, but actively undermining the law.

Serious question, do you want us to ignore that?

What should MAGA's do when Government officials ARE BREAKING THE LAW to oppose the will of the people?

This is free advertising for us, of course we are going to harp on it UNTIL IT STOPS.
Anyone breaking the law should be held to that law. I think the issue you're overlooking is that disregarding the laws surrounding immigration and due process is also breaking the law. You keep brushing it aside by using catch phrases like will of the people and landside or voted for it, but that is not how the law works. Biden wasn't allowed to wipe out whatever debt he liked just because the people voted for him in a landslide. Congress had no requirement to spend money the way he wanted, and the courts had no requirement to listen to his decree because he won in an overwhelming landslide.

But I do agree that they should continue filing court cases, and escalating the issues with denying due process up to the supreme court again, rather than subvert the law themselves.
 

fatpiggy

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Anyone breaking the law should be held to that law. I think the issue you're overlooking is that disregarding the laws surrounding immigration and due process is also breaking the law. You keep brushing it aside by using catch phrases like will of the people and landside or voted for it, but that is not how the law works. Biden wasn't allowed to wipe out whatever debt he liked just because the people voted for him in a landslide. Congress had no requirement to spend money the way he wanted, and the courts had no requirement to listen to his decree because he won in an overwhelming landslide.

But I do agree that they should continue filing court cases, and escalating the issues with denying due process up to the supreme court again, rather than subvert the law themselves.
How do you respond to BIDEN IGNORED THE LAW BY LETTING THEM IN?
 
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Namely that IF TRUE THAT SHOULD'VE ALSO GONE TO COURT, BUT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY DUE PROCESS LAWS

OK - This is where we 100% disagree.

Biden left the door open. He claimed he didn't have the power to stop it. Trump stopped it in 100 days or less.

Biden was either lying or incompetent. There are consequences for bad policy.

This lies 100% at the democrats feet.
 

UrHuckleberry

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OK - This is where we 100% disagree.

Biden left the door open. He claimed he didn't have the power to stop it. Trump stopped it in 100 days or less.

Biden was either lying or incompetent. There are consequences for bad policy.

This lies 100% at the democrats feet.
So great, I also don't think Biden did a good job with the border. We agree. That that somehow means that anything goes from there isn't a law, its a school yard feeling.
 

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So great, I also don't think Biden did a good job with the border. We agree. That that somehow means that anything goes from there isn't a law, its a school yard feeling.
OK - what do you suggest the repercussions be?

Do you just expect us to let these people walz in and affect the census so Republicans lose more votes? Extend that to the limits and you see what happens, Republicans will eventually have no say at all.

It sure felt like "anything goes" when people were literally invading the border and NOTHING was done about it. Why was democrats anything goes OK, but MAGA's anything goes not OK? At least MAGA's can say we voted on it. No one voted to let Joe Biden let millions walk over the border and stay here.

Do you suggest no accountability whatsoever?
 

UrHuckleberry

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OK - what do you suggest the repercussions be?

Do you just expect us to let these people walz in and affect the census so Republicans lose more votes? Extend that to the limits and you see what happens, Republicans will eventually have no say at all.

It sure felt like "anything goes" when people were literally invading the border and NOTHING was done about it. Why was democrats anything goes OK, but MAGA's anything goes not OK? At least MAGA's can say we voted on it. No one voted to let Joe Biden let millions walk over the border and stay here.

Do you suggest no accountability whatsoever?
Do you have suggestions other than tearing down one of the founding principles of due process? I am fully behind working for immigration reform. I think it should be both easier to immigrate here legally, but harder to come here illegally. I think we should put more money into immigration period, both enforcement and especially the judges, courts, processing man power to handle it well. If as much money is lost to services once they're here, this would pay for itself long term.

There are a whole lot of things I could get behind, getting rid of due process, deporting people here legally for not actually a crime, not so much. Deporting citizens who are profiled, not so much. I wouldn't want Biden or Democrats to have free reign on any issue, and I wouldn't want MAGA. We have laws, and if we don't like the laws, we should work on changing the laws. Republican's currently hold both the house, the senate, and the executive. Even if margins are slim.
 

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Do you have suggestions other than tearing down one of the founding principles of due process? I am fully behind working for immigration reform. I think it should be both easier to immigrate here legally, but harder to come here illegally. I think we should put more money into immigration period, both enforcement and especially the judges, courts, processing man power to handle it well. If as much money is lost to services once they're here, this would pay for itself long term.

There are a whole lot of things I could get behind, getting rid of due process, deporting people here legally for not actually a crime, not so much. Deporting citizens who are profiled, not so much. I wouldn't want Biden or Democrats to have free reign on any issue, and I wouldn't want MAGA. We have laws, and if we don't like the laws, we should work on changing the laws. Republican's currently hold both the house, the senate, and the executive. Even if margins are slim.
Democrats tore down due process by letting illegals into our country illegally. You can't but the genie back in the bottle no matter how bad you want to. This lies at their feet for thinking they could get away with it. They LIED to you telling you it couldn't be stopped.

You can't reward a lie. They must be held accountable.

Democrats railroaded Trump during his first term with false accusations and dirty tricks. We are not going to let that happen again. There are consequences for bad behavior. This is why he has so much support and leeway. The boy cried wolf so many times that no one knows what the real concerns are.

Just seems like you want to ignore all the missteps of the democratic party and just say "whoopsy".
 

UrHuckleberry

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Democrats tore down due process by letting illegals into our country illegally. You can't but the genie back in the bottle no matter how bad you want to. This lies at their feet for thinking they could get away with it. They LIED to you telling you it couldn't be stopped.

You can't reward a lie. They must be held accountable.

Democrats railroaded Trump during his first term with false accusations and dirty tricks. We are not going to let that happen again. There are consequences for bad behavior. This is why he has so much support and leeway. The boy cried wolf so many times that no one knows what the real concerns are.

Just seems like you want to ignore all the missteps of the democratic party and just say "whoopsy".
So your consequence for doing a poor job on an issue is the other side gets to do just whatever they want. There was a consequence. It was losing the next election. And if they broke any laws, the current administration can begin prosecuting. That is how it works in a constitutional republic. I thought the Trump administration did a horrible job with its Covid branding. But I didn't then believe that the Biden administration got to do whatever they wanted, have cops go around keeping people in their homes if they had a cough, etc. They had the legal ability to do some things, require some things for federal employees etc. Republicans disagreed with a lot, protested, filed lawsuits, flouted some rules set, etc. At no point was I thinking, Trump handled things poorly so therefore Biden gets to do whatever the F he wants and those are the consequences, the Trump administration has to be held accountable. I didn't, because its nonsensical. The consequences are they lost the election. If they broke laws, there can be lawsuits and prosecutions now. The "consequences" can't be disregarding the constitution moving forward.
 

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Democrats tore down due process by letting illegals into our country illegally. You can't but the genie back in the bottle no matter how bad you want to. This lies at their feet for thinking they could get away with it. They LIED to you telling you it couldn't be stopped.

You can't reward a lie. They must be held accountable.

Democrats railroaded Trump during his first term with false accusations and dirty tricks. We are not going to let that happen again. There are consequences for bad behavior. This is why he has so much support and leeway. The boy cried wolf so many times that no one knows what the real concerns are.

Just seems like you want to ignore all the missteps of the democratic party and just say "whoopsy".
That's not how any of it works, but you know that and you're just trolling.
 

fatpiggy

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So your consequence for doing a poor job on an issue is the other side gets to do just whatever they want. There was a consequence. It was losing the next election. And if they broke any laws, the current administration can begin prosecuting. That is how it works in a constitutional republic. I thought the Trump administration did a horrible job with its Covid branding. But I didn't then believe that the Biden administration got to do whatever they wanted, have cops go around keeping people in their homes if they had a cough, etc. They had the legal ability to do some things, require some things for federal employees etc. Republicans disagreed with a lot, protested, filed lawsuits, flouted some rules set, etc. At no point was I thinking, Trump handled things poorly so therefore Biden gets to do whatever the F he wants and those are the consequences, the Trump administration has to be held accountable. I didn't, because its nonsensical. The consequences are they lost the election. If they broke laws, there can be lawsuits and prosecutions now. The "consequences" can't be disregarding the constitution moving forward.
Your premise is wrong.

It wasn't a poor job. It was incompetence or willful ignorance. They said it couldn't be done. Look at the posts from @nytigerfan. All he said was "It can't be done", yet Trump did it in less than 100 days. 99.9% of illegals have been stopped.
 
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That changes absolutely nothing. There is no degree of incompetence that removes the constitution.
ANd that's why the voters held them accountable.

That is the people holding them accountable. You wonder why we vote for Trump and that is why.

We can ignore Trumps rhetoric and imperfections if y'all can be incompetent and willfully ignorant.
 
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ANd that's why the voters held them accountable.

That is the people holding them accountable. You wonder why we vote for Trump and that is why.

We can ignore Trumps rhetoric and imperfections if y'all can be incompetent and willfully ignorant.
I at no point said you couldn't vote any way you wish.
 
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ANd that's why the voters held them accountable.

That is the people holding them accountable. You wonder why we vote for Trump and that is why.

We can ignore Trumps rhetoric and imperfections if y'all can be incompetent and willfully ignorant.

What does this even mean? You didn't like the other group, so now you want to break all the laws and historical conventions of our government? That's ridiculous and dumb.
 

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You libs cannot comprehend that Trump did declare a national emergency at the southern border so he can do things that in normal times would not be allowed. He will also be allowed to use the alien enemies act fully before it's all said and done.
 
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You libs cannot comprehend that Trump did declare a national emergency at the southern border so he can do things that in normal times would not be allowed. He will also be allowed to use the alien enemies act fully before it's all said and done.

He can probably use the act, if he gives full Due Process as the constitution states.

God knows how many times we have to say this, but nobody on this board has an issue with deporting illegal immigrants, just follow the law.

I don't get why that's so hard to understand and accept.
 
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He can probably use the act, if he gives full Due Process as the constitution states.

God knows how many times we have to say this, but nobody on this board has an issue with deporting illegal immigrants, just follow the law.

I don't get why that's so hard to understand and accept.
It's a national emergency created by Democrats and we are not going to take 50 years to fix it.
 

fatpiggy

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Sorry, Biden did a poor job at the border so anything ICE does is allowable and the fault of democrats.
I will point out, democrat egregiously violated the constitution and free speech. They did it in hidden fashion.

At least republicans are up front about it. I do disapprove though if the facts are as they are presented in that post.
 

fatpiggy

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He can probably use the act, if he gives full Due Process as the constitution states.

God knows how many times we have to say this, but nobody on this board has an issue with deporting illegal immigrants, just follow the law.

I don't get why that's so hard to understand and accept.
Whatever this is, it is NOT an invasion

 

UrHuckleberry

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I will point out, democrat egregiously violated the constitution and free speech. They did it in hidden fashion.

At least republicans are up front about it. I do disapprove though if the facts are as they are presented in that post.
They probably did. Every president has likely created an executive order, had their DOJ do something, etc that was brought to court and then found to be in violation of the constitution or a previous law, etc.

My point was really just that this is exact type of situation (along with various other examples already given) that due process is supposed to prevent. No government agency should be able to side step the law like it feels is happening.
 

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Where my free speech absolutists?

Pretty rich from a party that some believe tipped the election by running Kamala is for they/them ads 24 hours a day during the campaign.

And when they say they aren't going to touch Medicaid, beware the nuance. They have other tricks up their sleeve to give them plausible deniability, like cutting part of what the federal government pays and pushing it to the states, who may or may not be able to afford it and/or may decide not to fund it.

 

fatpiggy

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They probably did. Every president has likely created an executive order, had their DOJ do something, etc that was brought to court and then found to be in violation of the constitution or a previous law, etc.

My point was really just that this is exact type of situation (along with various other examples already given) that due process is supposed to prevent. No government agency should be able to side step the law like it feels is happening.

I 100% agree

What democrats did was a blatant violation of the constitution. This may be too. Haven’t had time to read it, but I do agree it’s a bad look.

Personally I don’t give a rats *** if illegals get due process or not. I’ll let yall fight for that.

 

UrHuckleberry

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I 100% agree

What democrats did was a blatant violation of the constitution. This may be too. Haven’t had time to read it, but I do agree it’s a bad look.

Personally I don’t give a rats *** if illegals get due process or not. I’ll let yall fight for that.


The thing with due process is it is the process of finding out whether they are illegal or not. I don’t understand where the disconnect is. If they are determined to be illegal when arrested for another crime, and you want to send them back rather than give them the due process for the other crime? Fine by me. But due process is the process by which you determine they are illegal.

When I say I don’t want due process to go away, I mean that I don’t want ICE to pick someone up off the street they believe to be illegal, and just send them to a foreign prison, without going through the process (whatever that legal process may be) of confirming they are illegal. I feel confident you don’t truly want this either, you are just being stubborn about this point, and in general want them to be more aggressive in getting things under control. Which again, even if I don’t fully agree etc, I get that. And I’d be understanding of getting additional funding, being aggressive in general, etc.

I don’t trust the government of any administration to just have the power to do just about anything without due process. I don’t want a liberal administration to be able to round up skin heads or Aryan brotherhood or proud boys and ship them to a foreign prison either. Despite how reprehensible I may find them.
 

fatpiggy

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The thing with due process is it is the process of finding out whether they are illegal or not. I don’t understand where the disconnect is. If they are determined to be illegal when arrested for another crime, and you want to send them back rather than give them the due process for the other crime? Fine by me. But due process is the process by which you determine they are illegal.

When I say I don’t want due process to go away, I mean that I don’t want ICE to pick someone up off the street they believe to be illegal, and just send them to a foreign prison, without going through the process (whatever that legal process may be) of confirming they are illegal. I feel confident you don’t truly want this either, you are just being stubborn about this point, and in general want them to be more aggressive in getting things under control. Which again, even if I don’t fully agree etc, I get that. And I’d be understanding of getting additional funding, being aggressive in general, etc.

I don’t trust the government of any administration to just have the power to do just about anything without due process. I don’t want a liberal administration to be able to round up skin heads or Aryan brotherhood or proud boys and ship them to a foreign prison either. Despite how reprehensible I may find them.


So you want them to check if they're illegal on the way out, but not on the way in?

Your worst argument yet.
 
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yoshi121374

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So you want them to check if there illegal on the way out, but not on the way in?

Your worst argument yet.

Preferably both ways, but you know that and are just being obtuse.

I know you are seeing what the next 3.5 years are going to be like and it's scaring the crap out of you, but it's ok to just admit that you were wrong. I'd applaud that from you.

This doubling down is a bad look. We all know you aren't that dumb.
 

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So you want them to check if there illegal on the way out, but not on the way in?

Your worst argument yet.
Two things can be true so can we agree that Biden managed the border badly AND we need to confirm we aren't deporting people who are here legally? We get it that it requires an extra step but we also know the numbers are no where close to what right-wing media claims, so the best option is to adjudicate these cases as quickly as possible - if that means temporarily adding 1000 judges to make sure we get it right, so be it. As the world's superpower, that's what we need to do.
 
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trust in news is at an all time low.

Why are democrats self inflicting wounds by standing up for illegals and mentally ill trannys?

Why do they insist on dying on 10-90 issues?

 

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trust in news is at an all time low.

Why are democrats self inflicting wounds by standing up for illegals and mentally ill trannys?

Why do they insist on dying on 10-90 issues?


 

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trust in news is at an all time low.

Why are democrats self inflicting wounds by standing up for illegals and mentally ill trannys?

Why do they insist on dying on 10-90 issues?


Wait. You actually think the 'ms13' in this photo isn't just photoshopped on there from... Probaly on Microsoft Word?

I thought that was clear. The photo shop of the literal ms13 was just to draw out the symbolism (according to MAGA) of gang signs and to symbolize said gang. Right?

You're suggesting this isn't the case?