Serious question . . .

[Zeke Husker]

First Rounders since 2015......considering the population of the Northeast and the number of teams that might look there...including the entire big 10, there just isn't much talent. There are four Nebraskas of population in Long Island alone and they aren't in the top 10 for top talent.

• Florida – 47 Players
• Texas – 35 Players
• Georgia – 32 Players
• California – 30
• Louisiana – 13
• Alabama, North Carolina – 12
• Ohio, Pennsylvania – 11
• New Jersey – 10
• Maryland – 8

Seems like we never hear of anyone coming from north of Jersey….and the quality of the teams up there are evidence UMass UConn Boston College everyone else out there is FCS I believe

 

[dinglefritz]

Go read their board. You may be surprised.

I think Rhule may still be in the mix.

I am ambivalent.

Just imagine what he could do at PSU with all of there recruiting and support advantages they have….

 

[dinglefritz]

Those were the days.

Some aluminum foil crumpled on the rabbit ears sometimes helped. A wire clothes hanger was a decent replacement for a broken “ear”.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Some aluminum foil crumpled on the rabbit ears sometimes helped. A wire clothes hanger was a decent replacement for a broken “ear”.

That was the advanced technology we all tried. LOL

 

[Spinner4]

Always knew after Devaney and Osborne it would be hard to keep feeding the monster that was created by these two.

what monster dude? We aren’t even a sesame street monster anymore.

so funny that people still pretend that fans are spoilt

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

Just imagine what he could do at PSU with all of there recruiting and support advantages they have….

I just have to laugh at these dipshit PSU fans. Fired a coach who brought them any sort of relevancy, and now think Freeman, Urban and a few others are on the table. It's going to be comical when they hire Diaz or Rhule and they are stuck at going 7-5 or 8-4 after consistently being close to a Natty with Franklin. For as much as they **** on Franklin, if he came here and was consistently winning 10 games and a couple in the playoffs, sign me up.

 

[Redscarlet]

what monster dude?

The one that Devaney and Osborne created.

Need to comprehend.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

The one that Devaney and Osborne created.

Need to comprehend.

The other monster was created by Callahan, Riley, Frost and Rhule.

 

[Spinner4]

The one that Devaney and Osborne created.

Need to comprehend.

Hard to understand the relevance. It’s been 28 years!!! Crazy how time flys when your old I bet huh?

Get over it. That’s long gone

I didn’t see Minnesota fans talking about feeding their “monster” back in the 90s. Geeze man

 

[Anon1751408132]

Everyone has different views as to what went wrong in this game but for me I saw red flags as soon as the media started putting Matt Rhule's name out there on the list for Penn State and Matt Rhule didn't do anything to really put it down. We're not talking about men playing sports here at Nebraska we're talking about some kids who are still in their teen's, many seem to think we just march them out each week and they perform without emotion.

This was a train wreck just waiting to happen and even the coaches during the post game interviews did their best spins without really telling what really went down during the week. I really don't know what's going to happen with this team going forward whether Rhule can get this team back under control or he loses them all together, we'll find out after our next game. Like it or not Matt Rhule screwed up big time and he knows it.

The train wreck started the day he took the job. Too bad Trev didn't back off when Matt originally turned NU down.

 

[HuskerBruce81]

Hard to understand the relevance. It’s been 28 years!!! Crazy how time flys when your old I bet huh?

Get over it. That’s long gone

I didn’t see Minnesota fans talking about feeding their “monster” back in the 90s. Geeze man

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Spinner4]

Wtf are you talking about?

Go back and re-read more than my post smart
Guy

But don’t worry old man, I’ll stay off your lawn

 

[Jonesy5960]

Travelling east on a short week is an excuse.

It's barely east of Lincoln and about a 1 hour charter flight north. They must have been exhausted.

 

[broken record]

I do blame Rhule for the mess leading into this game because all he had to do was make a call live on TV with Kraft and tell him if he was thinking about offering him please take him off his list because he won't accept. Unfortunately Rhule was way to cagey and the players I believe picked up on it, I believe and it led to a week of uncertainty and turmoil.

I really don't believe it was a case of Minnesota being a better team, for me it was a case of a team that's heads were all screwed up and they played like it. There is no way Nebraska should have lost that game if their minds are clear and focused now it's up to Rhule to set the record strait or he will lose this team for the remainder of the season or be fired before it's over. jmo

I agree. Rhule should have from the first moment said he was only interested in being the coach at Nebraska and wished Franklin well, followed by a 'Next question'. Instead he gushes over PSU for 5 minutes. If there is one thing about Matt Rhule, he is a polished speaker and he says what he means. I think he was hoping for a phone call and an interview.
I believe that distraction, along with the short week, played a part in the disaster of a performance.
Another thing I think needs to be addressed immediately is the OL play. It's unacceptable. I don't really think we are that untalented. Guys look lost out there. That points to coaching. We need a big time OL hire and we need it soon.
Finally, we need to stop pretending that Dylan is irreplaceable. If we fire his uncle and he leaves, so be it. Dylan has a lot to work on if he wants to be an NFL player. Right now I'd say he is not close to that level. I would even say that if our staff isn't pushing him to fix things like his pocket presence, he would be better off in a program that will take him to the next level.

 

[broken record]

The Ped state job is a complicated situation. They have only had three coaches in the last 61 years if my math is correct. A rabid fan base. Yet your up against Michigan, OSU, Oregon, and about 8 other legitimate programs that in any given season are a threat. Expectations are high. Very high. Similar to NU when TO retired. Great resources. Great stadium and training facilities. Yet the pressure to win fast will be immense. People who see Cignetti come in and win from day one will expect the same results to some degree. And I also suspect PSU will have a hard time finding just the "right" candidate. My first thought after the Minnesota shitfest was that Ruhle was out of the discussion there. Now I am not so sure. Ruhle did not seem that bothered by the wretched performance. He has not made any staff changes ( Uncle Donny ). If he intends to be here, at some point you would think he would want to send a message to the rest of the staff. In his presser the other day he struck me as being a little thin skinned. He complained about fans cracking on Satt last year ( as well they should have BTW ). He then went on to lobby for more NIL money. My thoughts at the time were " suck it up butter cup, this is not Baylor or Temple. If he leaves, I'm not going to lose any sleep.

I think Cignetti was just overlooked for a long time. But he isn't a typical hire. The guy is probably even a little POed that he never got this chance until now, in his 60s. Great coaches that can tun out results like Cignetti are very, very rare. Expecting the same or very similar results is highly unlikely. You have to look at trajectory and the overall program. Until last weekend I was feling cautiously optimistic. But I reached my limit with the OL play.

 

[TruHusker]

I believe you have your Husker “red glasses” on in your analysis. Mn had better o-line and d-line than Nebraska. That’s where games are generally won (or lost), so no amount of additional focus the prior week was going to really help Nebraska win that match-up. I’ve also been impressed with MN’s young QB this season…he throws a good ball and doesn’t get too easily flustered.

Better athletes or better coached? There is a huge difference.

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

Better athletes or better coached? There is a huge difference.

We have raw talent that continues to not be developed. Been a problem since Pelini was fired.

 

[Laner2]

I agree. Rhule should have from the first moment said he was only interested in being the coach at Nebraska and wished Franklin well, followed by a 'Next question'. Instead he gushes over PSU for 5 minutes. If there is one thing about Matt Rhule, he is a polished speaker and he says what he means. I think he was hoping for a phone call and an interview.
I believe that distraction, along with the short week, played a part in the disaster of a performance.
Another thing I think needs to be addressed immediately is the OL play. It's unacceptable. I don't really think we are that untalented. Guys look lost out there. That points to coaching. We need a big time OL hire and we need it soon.
Finally, we need to stop pretending that Dylan is irreplaceable. If we fire his uncle and he leaves, so be it. Dylan has a lot to work on if he wants to be an NFL player. Right now I'd say he is not close to that level. I would even say that if our staff isn't pushing him to fix things like his pocket presence, he would be better off in a program that will take him to the next level.

Unless Rhule was trying to parlay his reticence into more NIL for the players from donors.

 

[Walleye 1]

Hard to understand the relevance. It’s been 28 years!!! Crazy how time flys when your old I bet huh?

Get over it. That’s long gone

I didn’t see Minnesota fans talking about feeding their “monster” back in the 90s. Geeze man

You completely misinterpreted his post. I know reading comprehension is hard for some of you young ones. Public schools have been struggling for awhile.

 

[B1G RED]

For those wanting Rhule gone. If we don't have donors who will pony up for a 40 million dollar roster, do you expect donors to pick up 56 million in a buyout scenario?

I'm disappointed with Friday, but I don't think it's scrap and start over time.

We are what we are - a middling “has been” program. Matt Rhule will ultimately elevate us up to the level of Iowa and Minnesota, so we will improve.

 

[B1G RED]

Anyone that thinks it’s a good idea for Nebraska to enter the coaching search world this cycle is nuts. It’s going to be a laundry list of better jobs than Nebraska. We’ve already got Penn state and Florida open and it’s the middle of October. Florida state is imminent. Auburn will be open. There’s a chance LSU could part with Kelly. Even usc and Oklahoma could open up if they can’t navigate tough schedules to end the year.

Why would we have any confidence whatsoever that we would find a better coach? Our history since Solich shows we have the ability to attract a good head coach. And those past failures were when Nebraska was still somewhat respected. We’ve been a joke for years, so good luck finding somebody better. Accept what we are - a below average program striving to become average.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

Yeah, I get that but I think the idea of "better job" has really shifted.

Indiana will pay 12 million a year and you can clearly win there with ZERO pressure.
Would I rather coach at IU for 12 million a year and no pressure or LSU for 12 million a year and tons of pressure?

No big name coach will consider the school with no recruiting base, that hasn’t won anything in over 20 years and boosters are too cheap to spend at an elite level due to “optics” to be better than the jobs I listed above

Well, I guess the question is, who is a 'big name" coach?

If I am a big name coach and a lame school like Indiana is offering me the same exact deal as say, LSU, I am taking the Indiana job. This is not the old days, 12 (and soon to be 16 or more) teams make the playoffs now and have a chance to win it all.

Now some of that will have to do with the cool stuff those schools have as well, where I am guessing Indiana might be far behind but I really don't know.

Indiana has two billionaire boosters.

I think you're sorely underestimating the ability to win at a place like Indiana vs places like LSU, Florida, etc. Guys like Cignetti, or any other "big name" coach, typically don't get to where they are by having the mentality of, "Oh, give me the place with less pressure."

Maybe Cignetti loves Indiana and he'll be happy ending his career there with a high high high likelihood that he never wins the big one. But make no mistake, the pitch from places like Florida, etc to any coach will be that they have the resources, recruiting base and football tradition to win it all.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I think you're sorely underestimating the ability to win at a place like Indiana vs places like LSU, Florida, etc. Guys like Cignetti, or any other "big name" coach, typically don't get to where they are by having the mentality of, "Oh, give me the place with less pressure."

Maybe Cignetti loves Indiana and he'll be happy ending his career there with a high high high likelihood that he never wins the big one. But make no mistake, the pitch from places like Florida, etc to any coach will be that they have the resources, recruiting base and football tradition to win it all.

I think that most people are like most people.


Most of us, if offered two positions for the exact same pay the jobs looked like this

1. Almost no "customers" (fans) and/or boss breathing down your neck and the "customers" you do have LOVE you.

2. Tons of "customers" that demand you never **** up and when you do they talk about 24/7 and you get asked questions about your job performance all the time.

And remember, at both jobs you make the same money AND you can reach the same goals.

In 5 years...16+ teams will be making the playoffs. Gone are the days of having to be at a certain school. All you need now are NIL funds or a few boosters.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

I think that most people are like most people.


Most of us, if offered two positions for the exact same pay the jobs looked like this

1. Almost no "customers" (fans) and/or boss breathing down your neck and the "customers" you do have LOVE you.

2. Tons of "customers" that demand you never **** up and when you do they talk about 24/7 and you get asked questions about your job performance all the time.

And remember, at both jobs you make the same money AND you can reach the same goals.

In 5 years...16+ teams will be making the playoffs. Gone are the days of having to be at a certain school. All you need now are NIL funds or a few boosters.

Completely disagree with that bold part. Could an Indiana convince a coach (like you) that's the case? Maybe. But the reality is we are a loooooooong way from that ever happening. And even if it did, it would be such a fluke. Hell, in your own attempt to make your point, you need an additional 5 years. Cignetti will be like 70 by then. He may not want to wait for 5 years. At the end of the day, money and other resources will always rule this sport. And a lot of schools have a lot more of that than Indiana ever will.

 

[Hans81]

Wtf are you talking about?

I think he means that back in the “olden days” the Minnesota Gophers had won some nat’l championships too.

 

[Hans81]

Unless Rhule was trying to parlay his reticence into more NIL for the players from donors.

And more salary from Nebraska?

 

[dinglefritz]

The train wreck started the day he took the job. Too bad Trev didn't back off when Matt originally turned NU down.

Yeah. We could have had his second choice. Fickell. The Doofus.

 

[dinglefritz]

It's barely east of Lincoln and about a 1 hour charter flight north. They must have been exhausted.

He was talking about traveling to Maryland and then having to get home in the wee hours of the night on a short week then travel to Minnesota on Thursday. They pretty much lost 2 days of recovery and prep. The recovery for some beat up guys was probably the worst part. Raiola and EJ especially could have used a couple of days more to heal some deep bruises.

 

[dinglefritz]

I think that most people are like most people.


Most of us, if offered two positions for the exact same pay the jobs looked like this

1. Almost no "customers" (fans) and/or boss breathing down your neck and the "customers" you do have LOVE you.

2. Tons of "customers" that demand you never **** up and when you do they talk about 24/7 and you get asked questions about your job performance all the time.

And remember, at both jobs you make the same money AND you can reach the same goals.

In 5 years...16+ teams will be making the playoffs. Gone are the days of having to be at a certain school. All you need now are NIL funds or a few boosters.

The number of coaches and schools that can reach the pinnacle is minute. Unfortunately once the fans get a sniff, they won’t be happy until they get it all. Thats how Franklin got fired. That’s why Tom considered going for to CU. Taking a P4 job isn’t about winning it all. It’s about the money.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

The number of coaches and schools that can reach the pinnacle is minute. Unfortunately once the fans get a sniff, they won’t be happy until they get it all. Thats how Franklin got fired. That’s why Tom considered going for to CU. Taking a P4 job isn’t about winning it all. It’s about the money.

I do think, as a coach myself, that there is this drive especially at the start of your coaching career to "win it all". I know that is how I was when I first started coaching.

20+ years later, it would be NICE to win it all and I want to win as much as I can but it really doesn't bother me when I know we won't have an amazing season.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Completely disagree with that bold part. Could an Indiana convince a coach (like you) that's the case? Maybe. But the reality is we are a loooooooong way from that ever happening. And even if it did, it would be such a fluke. Hell, in your own attempt to make your point, you need an additional 5 years. Cignetti will be like 70 by then. He may not want to wait for 5 years. At the end of the day, money and other resources will always rule this sport. And a lot of schools have a lot more of that than Indiana ever will.

I mean, there has been one 12 team playoff so far and he made it with IU, the worst D1 team ever.

It looks like they are going to make it again this year.

Here is a short list of teams that will not have made it the first two years

PSU
Bama
Clemson
USC
Nebraska
Auburn
Michigan

That is pretty remarkable.

They were, probably, a better draw away from advancing in the playoffs as well.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

I mean, there has been one 12 team playoff so far and he made it with IU, the worst D1 team ever.

It looks like they are going to make it again this year.

Here is a short list of teams that will not have made it the first two years

PSU
Bama
Clemson
USC
Nebraska
Auburn
Michigan

That is pretty remarkable.

They were, probably, a better draw away from advancing in the playoffs as well.

I'm not talking about making the playoffs. I'm talking about winning a national championship. HUGE difference. You're just arguing that Cignetti has done well at Indiana. More with less, blah blah blah. I agree with that. Who wouldn't?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I'm not talking about making the playoffs. I'm talking about winning a national championship. HUGE difference. You're just arguing that Cignetti has done well at Indiana. More with less, blah blah blah. I agree with that. Who wouldn't?

No, I am arguing that you can win it all at Indiana.

In fact, if we look just at the 12 team playoff era, the argument would be that Indiana is more likely to win it all, since they have made the playoffs, then Bama or UF, because those teams have never once made the 12 team playoff.

My point is, he is not doing more with less. He has great NIL and two billionaire boosters. The only "less" he has, is pressure/local media/local sports talk shows.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

No, I am arguing that you can win it all at Indiana.

In fact, if we look just at the 12 team playoff era, the argument would be that Indiana is more likely to win it all, since they have made the playoffs, then Bama or UF, because those teams have never once made the 12 team playoff.

My point is, he is not doing more with less. He has great NIL and two billionaire boosters. The only "less" he has, is pressure/local media/local sports talk shows.

Cherry picking one year of a 12 team playoff is all you're basing your argument on? Because Indiana made it once, they are more likely to win the whole thing than anyone who didn't make it once? How about SMU, Boise State and ASU? Those teams are more likely to win it all than all the big programs with all the resources in the world because they made it once? Did you really just type that with a straight face?

Agree to disagree on the rest I guess.

 

[Laner2]

And more salary from Nebraska?

At least he doesn't hold the record for most losses in CFB, so there's that.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Cherry picking one year of a 12 team playoff is all you're basing your argument on? Because Indiana made it once, they are more likely to win the whole thing than anyone who didn't make it once? How about SMU, Boise State and ASU? Those teams are more likely to win it all than all the big programs with all the resources in the world because they made it once? Did you really just type that with a straight face?

Agree to disagree on the rest I guess.

It is the only evidence we have to go on, literally.

But with that said, Indiana is in a conference where 4 teams will pretty much make it in each season, we can agree on that. Right?

So, we can also agree that it looks like they might make it again this season, right?

Now we can probably agree that they will end up being a top 4 seed in the playoff, does that sound fair?

I guess I don't understand what you are trying to argue. Are you saying that Indiana has no chance to win it all ever? Or are you just saying that there are a few other schools that have a better chance?

My argument is that you can win it all at Indiana and make tons of money and have way less pressure. Are you really not agreeing with that?

 

[Man Woman & Child]

It is the only evidence we have to go on, literally.

But with that said, Indiana is in a conference where 4 teams will pretty much make it in each season, we can agree on that. Right?

So, we can also agree that it looks like they might make it again this season, right?

Now we can probably agree that they will end up being a top 4 seed in the playoff, does that sound fair?

I guess I don't understand what you are trying to argue. Are you saying that Indiana has no chance to win it all ever? Or are you just saying that there are a few other schools that have a better chance?

My argument is that you can win it all at Indiana and make tons of money and have way less pressure. Are you really not agreeing with that?

I'm saying, regardless of making the playoffs, schools with more resources...money, recruiting hotbeds, traditions, etc, have a MUUUUUUUCCCCCH higher likelihood of being able to win it all than somewhere like Indiana. I mean, just using your (silly) one year sample, if anything, that makes my point for me. Indiana, SMU, Boise St and ASU all got bounced in the first round (most very handily) by teams with more resources. They couldn't even get past the first game, let alone win the whole thing. Can it ever happen? Sure. The odds are just really really really really low. That is the argument against staying at a place like Indiana for guys like Cignetti.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I'm saying, regardless of making the playoffs, schools with more resources...money, recruiting hotbeds, traditions, etc, have a MUUUUUUUCCCCCH higher likelihood of being able to win it all than somewhere like Indiana. I mean, just using your (silly) one year sample, if anything, that makes my point for me. Indiana, SMU, Boise St and ASU all got bounced in the first round (most very handily) by teams with more resources. They couldn't even get past the first game, let alone win the whole thing. Can it ever happen? Sure. The odds are just really really really really low. That is the argument against staying at a place like Indiana for guys like Cignetti.

UF and Bama could not even make the playoffs.

They literally could not even qualify for them.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

UF and Bama could not even make the playoffs.

They literally could not even qualify for them.

But they could if they had Cignetti. In fact, they could even win it all if they had Cignetti. Something Indiana can't say with nearly as much certainty. That's the pitch.

Are you always this obtuse?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

But they could if they had Cignetti. In fact, they could even win it all if they had Cignetti. Something Indiana can't say with nearly as much certainty. That's the pitch.

Are you always this obtuse?

But why?

You keep saying that Bama and UF have all these magical things...if that is the case, why aren't they making the playoffs??? Why is UF going to whiff on the playoffs for the second year in a row?

Are you saying now that it is the coach and not the school? Because, ding ding ding, I know that. That is why he can stay at Indiana and do the same exact thing.