season a success when the Mountaineers finished out of the polls (or even those getting any votes at all) in both the AP and Coaches poll coupled with a 7-5 record...and being listed as the underdog against a bottom feeding PAC 12 team with a 6-6 record. And of course there is the playing in the participation trophy bowl in Dallas the day after Christmas? Is this the new acceptable achievement level?
Serious question...can you possibly call this..
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I call the season a success since I was thoroughly entertained by the Mountaineers in every game except one.............Oklahoma. What more can you ask? The team record is of little consequence since WV seriously can't afford to roll with the big boy$. I must inform you that college sports have become a rich mans game. The 'shiny shoes' folks are laughing all the way to the bank! War-ez
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Let's just get a knife and slice our throats....I am tired of the woe is us posts that want to make it out like we should just abolish football.
This season on the short view (the only view you are capable of) was a push at best. In the long view, we are having the best recruiting year ever, have a ton of players back on both sides of the ball and hopefully an offensive coordinator who learned a lot this year. If we don't have a 10 win season next year, then I would say your glass half empty view of the program may be more spot on than my glass half full view of the program.
What do you expect when the offense gets neutered close to the end of the first quarter in game 11. What happened to Clemson when their qb got knocked out at Syracuse(4-8 Orangemen)?
wow keyser you have proved my point...Mountaineer fans have grown accustomed to middle of the pack and mediocre seasons under DH...and some, you for instance, say they actually enjoy it "immensely," And yes, the future does look bright...but that has become the new reality unfortunately. lol
Beat me to it, wise Woody. WVU was 7-3 with Grier healthy and playing. That's a good level of quality. And this was one of the most entertaining WVU teams in years. Some prefer to see the dark side. Others prefer to enjoy the bright side even though we're aware of the flaws, which EVERY team has, even Ohio State (NOT in the national playoffs, in case you forgot).
wow...dadsson...quite a few of you are obsessed with Pitt. Still watching black and white tv lol?
Hey Root, do know that we play Pitt tommorow. Kind of a big deal to most mountaineer fans.
in basketball yes...and as I used to say for years working on the Mountaineer Sports Network...beat the hell out of Pitt. However, unlike some, my life doesn't revolve around it lol.
LOL, no but it revolves around trashing WVU's football coach. Shallow when you think about it.
well cuyahoga we are 7-5 and predicted to be 7-6 and maybe in your world that is good quality but not in mine or a whole host of other Mountaineer fans. Bottom line is HC DH failed to recruit, develop or keep quality depth particularly at the QB position. Relying on one deep other teams transfers gets you to this point in time. you have got to be one of the losers who think kissing your cousin is a good date. lol
WVU was not going to beat Oklahoma and beating Texas was very unlikely. Had Grier been in both games, there is every reason to believe WVU would still be 7-5. There is no quality in that record. The dark side can only be seen when that is there is to look at. You point to Grier being a bright side, Grier happened to us, it was nothing Dana did to enhance the team. After seven years his best player was an accident coming in and an accident going out.
We had a good season but some of you just can't enjoy. Consider our athletic budget and our state compared to the Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida, and Penn State we are doing ok. For those of you who think we should be competing for the national championship, get a life. By your standards you should be a United States Senator by now.
So, what does your “not accepting mediocrity” complaining on a message board accomplish?
Wtf difference does it make for you to act holier than thou because you “don’t accept mediocrity”?
We were 7-3 and top 25 with Grier.
I choose to enjoy the games as much as I can because it’s a game. Sports is an entertainment outlet.
Complaints on a message board over and over about Holgs by you do not make this team any better than the people who are choosing to enjoy wvu football. Fan support helps recruiting. Trashing the coach doesn’t help recruiting.
Wtf difference does it make for you to act holier than thou because you “don’t accept mediocrity”?
We were 7-3 and top 25 with Grier.
I choose to enjoy the games as much as I can because it’s a game. Sports is an entertainment outlet.
Complaints on a message board over and over about Holgs by you do not make this team any better than the people who are choosing to enjoy wvu football. Fan support helps recruiting. Trashing the coach doesn’t help recruiting.
It was not an accident that Grier came here. Grier liked holgorsen. Grier liked holgorsens offense. Holgorsen met with Grier. Grier and his family liked what holgorsen had to say. Grier chose wvu because of holgorsen and his offense. That was no accident.
If you're going bash, at least be accurate. I said 7-3 before Grier got hurt was "a good level of quality." You don't think 7-3 is "good"?
TennesseBoy.................I like the way you talk. You right on the money! Warez
Daddy hates Mom and Mom hates Dad. Isn't that a shame what the children say. Skip the rope. Skip the rope. Warez
Grier chose WVU because Trickett by chance in an Atlanta airport they both met and Trick showed him the way.
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/sport...cle_1a6fb5ca-f628-5f59-b950-0d2c54788dcc.html
https://www.theet.com/sports/wvu/tr...cle_e17c82a3-57a4-5da7-85ba-b2e385590e7c.html
@WVU allen--
But, Will did not decide to choose WVU over other schools simply because he met Trickett.
He decided to choose WVU based upon him and his dad's meeting with Holgorsen. Fact.
He and his dad met with Holgorsen, looked at our offense and liked what Holgorsen told him.
It's well-documented. Fact. (See below). It's amazing how people want to give Holgorsen all of the blame when we lose or things go wrong, but when something goes right - then it's because of someone or something other than the head coach.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/high-school/article158077074.html
Part of that was finding what Chad Grier said was the perfect school. West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen and Will hit it off immediately, the father said.
http://www.thedaonline.com/sports/article_6b9fbaa2-ae23-11e7-b2d5-c36da6bb9fed.html
Programs like Ohio State and Oregon also recruited him, but neither matched what WVU offered. One thing in particular really sold him and the family on WVU. So in April of 2016, the decision was made: he would be moving to WVU.
"Dana Holgorsen," Chad Grier said. "Plain and simple."
The Griers heeded Holgorsen’s message. There wasn’t any fluff. Holgorsen was "very real" in Chad Grier’s words.
But, Will did not decide to choose WVU over other schools simply because he met Trickett.
He decided to choose WVU based upon him and his dad's meeting with Holgorsen. Fact.
He and his dad met with Holgorsen, looked at our offense and liked what Holgorsen told him.
It's well-documented. Fact. (See below). It's amazing how people want to give Holgorsen all of the blame when we lose or things go wrong, but when something goes right - then it's because of someone or something other than the head coach.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/high-school/article158077074.html
Part of that was finding what Chad Grier said was the perfect school. West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen and Will hit it off immediately, the father said.
http://www.thedaonline.com/sports/article_6b9fbaa2-ae23-11e7-b2d5-c36da6bb9fed.html
Programs like Ohio State and Oregon also recruited him, but neither matched what WVU offered. One thing in particular really sold him and the family on WVU. So in April of 2016, the decision was made: he would be moving to WVU.
"Dana Holgorsen," Chad Grier said. "Plain and simple."
The Griers heeded Holgorsen’s message. There wasn’t any fluff. Holgorsen was "very real" in Chad Grier’s words.
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None matched what WVU offered which was a barren QB group that would in no way compete for the starting spot. Unlike those other schools that actually are able to recruit and develop competent prospects at QB that may have actually made Grier have to compete for the starting spot. WVU under Holgs does have a lot to offer a QB ... that is assuming the QB is already playinh at D1 college level.
Key question to define success is the overall quality of the coaching - has it improved
over the 7 years Dana has been here? My answer is absolutely not. Team just doesn't
appear to be prepared for big games. Indeed the players are playing hard but they are
not being prepared and motivated.
over the 7 years Dana has been here? My answer is absolutely not. Team just doesn't
appear to be prepared for big games. Indeed the players are playing hard but they are
not being prepared and motivated.
Also, every year should be a 'reload' one, not a 'rebuild'. If we ever wish to be seen as a true national contender, not a pretender, we need to develop our system so that we reload, just like OU, OSU, UT (yes, it's on the verge of playing in championship games again), and, tOSU and PSU. Each school relies on recruiting, not JUCOs. We need to do the same. Reloading gets you consistent 10 win seasons. Rebuilding gets you one every 4 or 5 years. And, it gets you teams that are truly competitive when the national spotlight is shining on them. We haven't done that since RR left.
Success to me is wearing the old gold and blue proudly, whether we are 12-0 or 0-12. I guess the Cignetti years puts things into perspective for me. If you had lived through that anathema ... you would be painting Dana with a whole different palette right now. Love him or loathe him, he has done the best recruiting in the last few years than we have ever seen. I'm willing to see where this plays out with these kids, unless of course a few of you knuckleheads care to repeat the history of past buffoons who burned Bobby Bowden in effigy and ran him off because he wasn't "one of us."
Was born and raised in WV and as I near 60 years old I still do not get the clannish mindset we are locked into.
Was born and raised in WV and as I near 60 years old I still do not get the clannish mindset we are locked into.
You so quickly ignore facts that don’t support your theory. What about Skyler Howard. Holgorsen and staff had a kid with limited physical tools and developed him into a Successful qb at the power 5 level. Who won 10 games.
Lived through it and I am older than you so we are both entitled to our seasoned opinion. If clueless DH has done so fantastic with recruiting where are the lasting results...from season to season to season? If you are correct then he has done a piss poor job retaining and developing the talent. Putting some folks into the NFL is not the grade that counts. We have become a consistent middle of the pack team. We have seen already is what we will see in the future.
No it will be wait to next year and the year after that just like it was last year and the year before that.