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bgregory74

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I really dont hope that there has been a military coup.
The only reason it would even be necessary is they know the court system failed and didn’t follow the voters. I’m sure there is massive intel on the matter or they would’ve told Trump to go away.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The only reason it would even be necessary is they know the court system failed and didn’t follow the voters. I’m sure there is massive intel on the matter or they would’ve told Trump to go away.
Man, you gotta step back from it. There wasn’t a coup. There was an election that we lost, likely due to fraud, but lost none the less. It’s imperative that we accept it and work towards retaking it through voting. Their ideology is no longer sustainable as it’s at odds internally with their coalition of support. Continue to work towards exposing the contradictions and win on ideas.

We’re seeing it now in the first days of the Kid Sniffer’s presidency. They’re already screwing over their various factions of voters. Highlight it. That should be the focus.
 

bgregory74

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Man, you gotta step back from it. There wasn’t a coup. There was an election that we lost, likely due to fraud, but lost none the less. It’s imperative that we accept it and work towards retaking it through voting. Their ideology is no longer sustainable as it’s at odds internally with their coalition of support. Continue to work towards exposing the contradictions and win on ideas.

We’re seeing it now in the first days of the Kid Sniffer’s presidency. They’re already screwing over their various factions of voters. Highlight it. That should be the focus.
The problem is if we accept a rigged election it will never change. The elections will continue to be rigged so the proper people stay in power. The vote buying will continue with social programs and we will venture further down the rabbit hole toward Communism. “We The People” came out to vote and did our job, likely to historic numbers and were cheated out of a very important election. The voters most effected, the middle class, will be beaten and bloodied to the point they just give in is my fear.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The problem is if we accept a rigged election it will never change. The elections will continue to be rigged so the proper people stay in power. The vote buying will continue with social programs and we will venture further down the rabbit hole toward Communism. “We The People” came out to vote and did our job, likely to historic numbers and were cheated out of a very important election. The voters most effected, the middle class, will be beaten and bloodied to the point they just give in is my fear.
Stay vigilant, stay engaged, and keep educating people, that’s how you win.
 

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DvlDog4WVU

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In a free and fair election process you are correct. This was nothing close to free and fair and may not be again in our lifetimes.
Our gaining seats in the house doesn’t jibe with your assertions. They may have aligned solely on Trump, but we haven’t lost control yet. We just need to back candidates who will fight like Trump did.
 

bgregory74

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Our gaining seats in the house doesn’t jibe with your assertions. They may have aligned solely on Trump, but we haven’t lost control yet. We just need to back candidates who will fight like Trump did.
Right but if the Democrats think they are in danger don’t you think they will escalate the fraud? Of course they will. That’s the big reason we know there was election fraud to begin with because the down ballot Republicans who used Trump to get elected succeeded. Just set up individual satellite ops in the states you need to win to gain control. It won’t stop.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Right but if the Democrats think they are in danger don’t you think they will escalate the fraud? Of course they will. That’s the big reason we know there was election fraud to begin with because the down ballot Republicans who used Trump to get elected succeeded. Just set up individual satellite ops in the states you need to win to gain control. It won’t stop.
I live in a pretty liberal area. Not crazy liberal socialists, just suburban liberal. People liked some of Trump’s policies but loathed him beyond his policies. That works for the future. When they see how fvcked up their decision impacts America, they will be forever turned off.
 

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In a free and fair election process you are correct. This was nothing close to free and fair and may not be again in our lifetimes.
Fixing election fraud isnt about undoing the past. It needs to be done at a state legislative level. Force voter rolls to be cleaned up. Rewrite election laws to insure fair elections and transparent election results.
 

bgregory74

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Fixing election fraud isnt about undoing the past. It needs to be done at a state legislative level. Force voter rolls to be cleaned up. Rewrite election laws to insure fair elections and transparent election results.
It was so widespread I don’t think you can even wrap your arms around it. The best thing you can do is prove it individually at the national level and force the states’ hands that were involved. JMO.

EDIT: It needs to happen in every state, not just the swing states.
 

bgregory74

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I live in a pretty liberal area. Not crazy liberal socialists, just suburban liberal. People liked some of Trump’s policies but loathed him beyond his policies. That works for the future. When they see how fvcked up their decision impacts America, they will be forever turned off.
Yeah you are right in a free and fair situation. Will we ever get there? Not if this one doesn’t get fixed.
 

dave

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Yeah you are right in a free and fair situation. Will we ever get there? Not if this one doesn’t get fixed.
You can fix it either way. States have to write laws that take decisions out of politicians hands so secretarys of states and election officials cannot insert their politics into decisions.
 

bgregory74

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You can fix it either way. States have to write laws that take decisions out of politicians hands so secretarys of states and election officials cannot insert their politics into decisions.
That would take agreement from the state legislatures. I’d love to see it happen but I don’t think it will.
 

bgregory74

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Most state legislatures are very red.
As long as they aren’t establishment types it might work. I don’t know enough about the state legislatures to say. The one encouraging thing is that some states are looking to decertify their elections because they’ve got a dose of where we are headed.
 

dave

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As long as they aren’t establishment types it might work. I don’t know enough about the state legislatures to say. The one encouraging thing is that some states are looking to decertify their elections because they’ve got a dose of where we are headed.
You are too focused on undoing what is done. Real change comes moving forward. Revealing what has been dobe only drives this. Change will be easier as long as Americans feel cheated.
 

bgregory74

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You are too focused on undoing what is done. Real change comes moving forward. Revealing what has been dobe only drives this. Change will be easier as long as Americans feel cheated.
Real change can come in several different ways it just depends on how much damage you want to see incurred in the process. What change absolutely does revolve around is revelation and prosecution in this case, I do agree.
 

dave

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Real change can come in several different ways it just depends on how much damage you want to see incurred in the process. What change absolutely does revolve around is revelation and prosecution in this case, I do agree.
Nothing can be done that cant be undone.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Do they exist?
Yes. DeSantis would be one of the few politicians, but I think our new niche is if it comes from the business world. Not some finance douche, but some Maverick like Elon Musk (I know he isn’t qualified) or Mark Cuban. All it would take for Cuban to flip the script is have him be attacked one time with some fake ******** and he’d go off.

I still think Trump runs again in 24.
 

bgregory74

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Id support Ted Cruz.
I do like Ted Cruz. I like the girl from Baltimore 8-10 years down the road and the one from Colorado. It’s amazing that there are a lot of women with more stones than the men.