Seeds for NCAA
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Byrd over Ayala after that loss?
I can still see it that way. He owns more head to heads, former ncaa champ, Drakes season record isn't great.
I would love to see 1. Jax 2. Davino 3. Siedel. 4 Blaze. Just because I think it is most fair to split both pairs. I think Drake probably deserves the 6
He did lose to a unranked guy from purdue thats worse then any of drakes losses does quality of loss is a thing in seeding right?
I’m hoping the seeds for 133 look like
1. Jax
2. Davino
3. Siedel
4. Blaze
5. Larkin
6. Drake
7. Byrd
I believe that seed will set Drake good and put him opposite of Jax. I think he has a better chance at Davino and Siedel. This weekend definitely showed that he still can compete with the young crop.
1. Jax
2. Davino
3. Siedel
4. Blaze
5. Larkin
6. Drake
7. Byrd
I believe that seed will set Drake good and put him opposite of Jax. I think he has a better chance at Davino and Siedel. This weekend definitely showed that he still can compete with the young crop.
Siedel scares me too kids legit but does seem to be a better matchup for drake dont think he should choose down
This with Drake at the 6 or 7. Sign me up.
Seidel just teched Tyler Knox from Stanford for the ACC title. He wrestles similar to Jax and Davino, very high motor and always looking to score. I honestly think Blaze is the best match up just for the fact that it will be a 1 TD match. The other 3, not so much.
Jax and Siedel are better than Blaze and Davino, which is crazy. The young talent at 133 this year is the best ever at any weight class imo. The USA is set at 61kg/65kg for near future.
I can't just gloss over that the top 5 at 133 are likely to all be freshman, three of them true freshman, and two of those true frosh wrestled each other in the state finals last year. Crazy.
I don't think Byrd goes over Ayala, but I'm somewhat concerned Caliendo gets bumped to the top side with Mesenbrink.
I don't think Byrd goes over Ayala, but I'm somewhat concerned Caliendo gets bumped to the top side with Mesenbrink.
I think Blaze very likely is above him. After that, probably nobody since Lockett lost but I don't know the smaller conference guys as well this year who get inflated seeds off great records on weak schedules.
Drake has, what, 9 losses? Byrd is gonna grade out better in the matrix for sure.
It would be criminal if Cali did not get the 2 or 3 seed
Seeding criteria
H2H 25%
Quality Wins 20%
Coaches Ranking 15%
RPI 10%
Win Percentage 10%
Record against common opponents 10%
Conf Tourney Placement 10%
Blaze gets 25% for H2H and 10% for Win Percentage
Caliendo gets 15% for Coaches, 10% for RPI and 10% for Conf Tourney placement
They both beat all common opponents so 5% for each
That puts them tied at 40%.
Quality wins is the mystery as this can go 20/0, 15/5, or 10/10. I can't see Blaze having better Quality Wins. Caliendo had a way tougher schedule so assuming Caliendo stays ahead in the coaches poll and RPI, he should be ahead of Blaze.
H2H is 25% of the criteria so Drake has that plus 10% for higher conference placement. Byrd has 10% for win percentage. Not sure on record against common opponent. It will come down to coaches ranking, RPI and quality wins. If Drake is higher in both RPI and coaches he should be seeded higher
Edit: I forgot about the loss at national duals, so they split the 25% for H2H.
Ruiz from ASU won big 12s with 5 losses heppner from unc won acc I think he's got more losses the caliendo not sure who won ivy's the Eiwa champion was ranked 11th
They have seeding criteria that will calculate the seeds. I'm guessing Byrd is still above since they split this year.
But quality wins is based off people in the field, not just guys we think are tough. And Blaze finished 22-1 to Caliendo's 18-4. I'm just saying.
I could see this, but the 3 is fine too. No way MC should be lower than the 3. I honestly don't know what to expect though with seeding after the B10 debacle. If they use the same method who the hell knows what anyone will be seeded at?!
It's all math. We will see on Wednesday.
They did not both beat all common opponents. Blaze lost to Barbosa who Caliendo beat. So +5 more to Caliendo and -5 from Blaze.
Actually the criteria changed last year.
● Head-to-head competition — 25%.
● Quality wins — 20%.
● Qualifying event placement — 15%.
● Results against common opponents — 10%.
● RPI — 10%.
● Coaches rankings — 10%.
● Win percentage — 10%.
This helps Drake as he gets 15% for placement and 12.5% for H2H. That's 27.5%. Drake was undefeated against common opponents and Byrd lost to Boarman from Purdue so that should be another 10% for Drake. Drake will stay head in RPI as well so that's 47.5%. If Drake passes him in coaches ranking then he is ahead for sure. Even if he doesn't, Drake just needs 5% of the 20% for QW's to put him ahead
● Head-to-head competition — 25%.
● Quality wins — 20%.
● Qualifying event placement — 15%.
● Results against common opponents — 10%.
● RPI — 10%.
● Coaches rankings — 10%.
● Win percentage — 10%.
This helps Drake as he gets 15% for placement and 12.5% for H2H. That's 27.5%. Drake was undefeated against common opponents and Byrd lost to Boarman from Purdue so that should be another 10% for Drake. Drake will stay head in RPI as well so that's 47.5%. If Drake passes him in coaches ranking then he is ahead for sure. Even if he doesn't, Drake just needs 5% of the 20% for QW's to put him ahead
Good catch! Caliendo should definitely be above Blaze. Lockett actually has a better chance to be ahead of Caliendo. They split H2H, they split conference finish. Locket has a higher RPI and win percentage. Caliendo should stay ahead in coaches ranking so it will come down to how they measure QW's
My bad I was trying to help. idk if anybody else would know i did see coulmbias wrestler won 165 so pretty confident theres no other confrence champ who's record is inflated enough to really effect caliendos seed ill admit not the greatest understanding of the seeding process
Dude, I was being serious. That legit calmed my nerves about the possibility.
Bianchi losing in the Pac 12 semifinals was big for Caliendo. If he wins the tourney he most likely gets seeded ahead of Caliendo and I could see Lockett ahead as well so Mikey could have easily been the 4 seed.
Lol still kinda new to this whole message board thing glad I could help
Those are flawed numbers. Caliendo is undefeated vs common opponents and Blaze lost to Barbosa. So it’s 10-0 for Caliendo there not 5-5. Also same number of quality wins so it’s 10-10 not 5-15.
so unless it has changed, the way NCAA seeding does common opponent is kind of useless at the top. You have to be 100% vs their 0% for you to get all 10 seeding points. So like if you have 5 common opponents, you have to be 5-0 vs my 0-5
just gojng off of what nomad says who I know isn’t the end all be all just follows closer than I do for the formula
These numbers came from Wrestling Nomad on Twitter and I asked him about the common opponents thing. This was his response:
Caliendo blaze 2/3 in either order whatever
Agreed. Avoid Messenbrink until the final.
Wrestling by Pirate gives his "at large" projections. Not surprising, but very unlikely Voinovich gets a spot.
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NCAA At-Large Berth Projections
Note that I used WrestleStat’s data for the RPI and the pre-conference coaches’ ranking, as I do not have the updated information from those. Also, to paraphrase Karl Rove, I am entitle…
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I just looked up nomad’s predictions on 133 and this would be rough for Drake. Would much rather he be behind Byrd in this scenario
Forrest at only 13 matches loses him valuable criteria...