See ya Art Briles...

[121Josey]

I seriously doubt they have been upfront with recruits about what's in the NOA. There not going to run around telling 18 year olds the content of an NOA that they want to keep secret. And if what was in the NOA didn't risk serious punishment, I doubt they'd be stonewalling the way they have, so I'm guessing the fact that the NOA doesn't contain punishments won't matter; if recruits asked other people about allegatiosn in teh NOA, they would be scared off.

But your "some media" reported it. I wasn't serious about the comment, but if they were telling (lies) to "some media" about what's in it, do you not think that they would tell the recruits that much or less?

And I'd say it's not as easy to transfer in August after enrolling as it is to just not enroll. And it's definitely not as easy to transfer mid-september as it is to not enroll. Also, in addition to the logistics, I think maybe the clock to play out your eligibility starts when you enroll and not when you sign?

What's the difference between transferring after enrollment and before enrollment? Yes, you start your eligibility clock if you enroll, but if you don't enroll, you sit a year without access to any sports-related benefits and scholarships, plus you can't seek employment. I'm sure the players that they are concerned about don't intend to use their 5th year of eligibility.

 

[Ishmael]

It's pretty naive to think that they want to make more enemies from people in persuasive positions, who have the resources to conduct an actual journalistic investigation. TUNS doesn't want this broadcast and they are not in a position to control the narrative, so they need help. The mob mentality of everyone associated with TUNS makes silence not an option - not the NCAA. It's not that hard to see.

This is where I think the incompetence at the Clarion Ledger shows up the most. With that paper not pushing them at all to release things, there's really no reason for them to at this point. Sure, a few national writers mention it on occasion, but they don't focus on the story the same way and with the same resources a competent beat writer would. The out of state media is unlikely to pursue a FOIA request through the whole process necessary to get any information, so worst case they have someone mention it occasionally, but no one has any facts about what's really going on. It seems like a pretty smart plan so far.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Can someone explain to me why Baylor has to follow Title XI?... I was thinking they were a private school and didn't receive federal funding and therefore didn't have to follow federal guidelines like Title XI

While Baylor is indeed a private University, it does accept federal grants and funding. The Feds may be coming to Waco ..

"At stake would be any federal funding to Baylor, including student loans. At the very least, the department’s Office of Civil Rights should consider an apparent pattern of sexual assault complainants shunted aside and where that might lead."

"Under Title IX, universities like Baylor that receive any federal assistance “must take immediate and appropriate steps to investigate” and provide remedies, including security, counseling and academic help, before a complainant is deprived of educational opportunities."

To see more .. push here.

 

[engie]

Is a LOI not binding for that school year? Is that not why MN didn't sign a LOI?

Was it binding for Josh Gray?

Lots of examples of being let out of LOIs without losing eligibility before actual enrollment. Signing under false pretenses provide a pretty compelling reason to be let out of one. Especially if you have anything potentially damaging on the school.

 

[121Josey]

I would love to be proven wrong. But I won't be. UM's not going to release the letter or the response until they're forced to. And there's nothing forcing them to release it tomorrow. Just like there's been nothing preventing them from releasing it at any time over the last 4+ months.

You're being ambiguous. They won't release the letter until they're forced to. Do you mean the NCAA? But there's nothing forcing them to release it tomorrow. There's nothing forcing them to release it EVA. But they have teased enough people with the story that it will get released by them or someone will leak it for them.

And no, you wouldn't "love to be proven wrong." But I would "love" to see those crocodile tears.

 

[patdog]

Even if you're not released from your NLI, if you don't enroll, you can enroll at your new school in Jan 2017 and have 5 years to play 5 starting n 2017. If you enroll and then transfer, the 5-year clock starts in 2016, but you can't get on the field until 2018, so you effectively have 3 years to play 3. This is why the Bears are trying to keep this under wraps as much as they can until September.

 

[coach66]

A Bear buddy told me today it will be released tomorrow and will be heavily

redacted.

 

[121Josey]

Was it binding for Josh Gray? Lots of examples of being let out of LOIs without losing eligibility before actual enrollment. Signing under false pretenses provide a pretty compelling reason to be let out of one. Especially if you have anything potentially damaging on the school.

After a quick search on Josh Gray, I found this

Last month after Rick Stansbury retired, Gray asked for a release from his national letter of intent.

So, you're saying that an LOI is still binding? If TUNS wants a student to honor the LOI for that school year, it's not ultimately the decision of the athlete? Or are you using the "anything done can be undone in the eyes of the NCAA" argument?

 

[121Josey]

Even if you're not released from your NLI, if you don't enroll, you can enroll at your new school in Jan 2017 and have 5 years to play 5 starting n 2017. If you enroll and then transfer, the 5-year clock starts in 2016, but you can't get on the field until 2018, so you effectively have 3 years to play 3. This is why the Bears are trying to keep this under wraps as much as they can until September.

You might want to rethink this position. I would "love" for you to be wrong.**

 

[Crazy Cotton]

That is gallling. At the end of the day were talking about a public institution, paid for by the citizens of the state. They have records to be released, and the public has a right to know what's in them.

 

[HD6]

I would think, and I don't know for sure, but if they can prove they signed under false pretenses, they can be released by the NCAA.

 

[engie]

Your attempts at concision and misconstruing are pretty humorous. This is one of those cases. No one actually said what you are now attempting to twist the argument into.

 

[engie]

I would think, and I don't know for sure, but if they can prove they signed under false pretenses, they can be released by the NCAA.

Thank you. This is what I think everyone else understood me to be actually saying.

There's numerous recruiting quotes out there that might not serve as "proof" -- but is certainly enough to raise the question.

 

[patdog]

A Bear buddy told me today it will be released tomorrow and will be heavily redacted.

Exactly. They'll release what they don't mind people knowing, redact the rest and claim it's "protected information" that they'd love to include but can't.

 

[johnson86-1]

But your "some media" reported it. I wasn't serious about the comment, but if they were telling (lies) to "some media" about what's in it, do you not think that they would tell the recruits that much or less?



What's the difference between transferring after enrollment and before enrollment? Yes, you start your eligibility clock if you enroll, but if you don't enroll, you sit a year without access to any sports-related benefits and scholarships, plus you can't seek employment. I'm sure the players that they are concerned about don't intend to use their 5th year of eligibility.

Before enrollment as in May, you have a lot more time to work out logistics. After enrollment, it's a little rushed, and it would probably be impossible to transfer after not too many weeks into the semester. And if you can get them to stay for their first semester, maybe they enjoy it enough to decide to not transfer at all.

And I'm not sure why a player wouldn't be able to seek employment, but I think the more likely scenario would be to enroll somewhere in the spring semester. At that point, I think you'd be able to go through spring practice. How to handle the scholarship situation would be more difficult.

 

[wtw2400]

If you are the Big 12. Why are you keeping Baylor? Heres what they should do: kick Baylor add Houston.

If they dont do that here is what Oklahoma should do: they should leave the Big 12 and join the SEC. Oklahoma should just see the Big 12 is a big melting pot.

Also this is the perfect opportunity for Ole Miss to leave the SEC for the Big 12***

 

[121Josey]

I would think, and I don't know for sure, but if they can prove they signed under false pretenses, they can be released by the NCAA.

Thank you. This is what I think everyone else understood me to be actually saying.

There's numerous recruiting quotes out there that might not serve as "proof" -- but is certainly enough to raise the question.

Your attempts at concision and misconstruing are pretty humorous. This is one of those cases. No one actually said what you are now attempting to twist the argument into.

So, we don't know for sure if it's possible or what constitutes such "proof", but I am the one who is "misconstruing"? False pretenses? Such as they won't have a scholarship for them this fall? Freezus will not be the head coach? The NOA is a good thing? The Opportunity Fund is no longer able to pay Mama's bills?

Am I not speculating that this happens only if the NCAA gets involved? Or are you saying that the school that withholds the NOA will let them out of the LOI on the basis of kindness and will not try to control where they play?

You throw out Josh Gray to show that a school can release a player from the LOI, and then speculate that the players hold leverage over TUNS. But let's not act like TUNS doesn't also have leverage over the players.

All this won't matter in a week anyhow.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Does this mean Baylor closes the Rape Rooms?

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