SEC Coaches salaries....

[57stratdawg]

Just for discussion:

Nick Saban $5.3 million
Les Miles $3.7 million
Steve Spurrier $3.5 million
Bret Bielema $3.2 million
Mark Richt $3.2 million
Kevin Sumlin $3.1 million
James Franklin $3.0 million*
Will Muschamp $3.0 million
Butch Jones $2.9 million
Gary Pinkel $2.7 million
Dan Mullen $2.6 million
Gus Malzahn $2.3 million
Mark Stoops $2.2 million
Hugh Freeze $2.0 million


http://www.katv.com/story/22985458/sec-football-coaching-salaries

 

[woozman]

Man, I had no idea that Bielema was getting paid that much.

 

[engie]

SEC Defensive Coordinator Salaries(this year) - http://coachingroots.com/articles/sec-defensive-coordinator-salaries

• LSU’s John Chavis $1.1 million
• Alabama’s Kirby Smart $950,000
• Georgia’s Todd Grantham $850,000
• Auburn’s Ellis Johnson $800,000
• South Carolina’s Lorenzo Ward $650,000
• Arkansas’ Chris Ash $550,000
• Missouri’s Dave Steckel $550,000
• Ole Miss’ Dave Wommack $550,000
• Texas A&M’s Mark Snyder $500,000
• Kentucky’s D.J. Eliot $500,000
• Florida’s D.J. Durkin $490,000
• Tennessee’s John Jancek $470,000
• Mississippi State’s Geoff Collins $325,000

And Offensive Coordinator Salaries(last year, obviously) - http://www.footballscoop.com/news/8237-a-look-at-offensive-coordinator-s-salaries-in-the-sec
Doug Nussmeier, Alabama: $590,000 three years
Jim Chaney, Tennessee: $550,000 three years
Greg Studrawa, LSU: $500,000 three years
Scot Loeffler, Auburn: $500,000 two years
Brent Pease, Florida: $490,000 three years
Paul Petrino, Arkansas: $475,000 one year
Kliff Kingsbury, Texas A&M: $400,000 three years
Randy Sanders, Kentucky: $338,000 two years
Mike Bobo, Georgia: $335,00 one year
Matt Luke, Ole Miss (co-coordinator): $285,000 three years
Les Koenning, Mississippi State: $275,000 two years
Dan Werner, Ole Miss (co-coordinator): $231,667 two years

GOT to pay good coordinators if we are to keep them. I'm going to raise 14 kinds of hell if Collins is as good as I think he may have potential to be and we aren't announcing a bump to $500k+ during bowl season...

We're getting what we pay for on Koenning**

 

[RC3]

No way bielema was worth that much $

 

[patdog]

I'm very disappointed in our assistants' salaries. We've GOT to find another $500K in the budget at the bare minimum. And it should have been done before now.

 

[patdog]

3 straight Rose Bowls. 3 top 10 teams in 7 years. That's a hell of a lot more than anyone behind him has accomplished.

 

[engie]

I'm very disappointed in our assistants' salaries. We've GOT to find another $500K in the budget at the bare minimum. And it should have been done before now.

Yep.

What's crazy is that we're #25(as of last year) according to USAtoday in overall coaching pay. Mullen is #19...So, it seems as if our overall salary pool is pretty decent. The coordinators are just crazy underpaid(in comparison to the rest of the SEC)...

I would have LOVED to steal the guy from Troy this year -- pay him Koenning's salary -- and let his pass-first style of spread mesh along with Mullen's ground and pound. Think he'll probably eventually be our guy either way if/when we get Hud(Hud tried to take him to ULL and the guy stayed at Troy, which I can understand)...

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Win games,

fill a 70,000 seat stadium...No problem!

 

[engie]

3 straight Rose Bowls. 3 top 10 teams in 7 years. That's a hell of a lot more than anyone behind him has accomplished.

Exactly. Wisconsin isn't sliced liver -- they were always going to have to pay him to steal him from up there. If Alvarez would have paid his assistants, he might have stayed...

 

[patdog]

$500K is 1% of the athletic dept. budget. We could make room for that much more for our assistant coaches if we wanted to. And it's a big mistake that we apparently don't want to.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

$500K is 1% of the athletic dept. budget. We could make room for that much more for our assistant coaches if we wanted to. And it's a big mistake that we apparently don't want to.

This is the truth. Mullen is paid very well. If he wants to have prolonged success, he should lobby for better salaries for key assistants. For State to compete, we need solid defense. 500k is not asking a whole heck of a lot for a quality DC, is it?

 

[engie]

$500K is 1% of the athletic dept. budget. We could make room for that much more for our assistant coaches if we wanted to. And it's a big mistake that we apparently don't want to.

Yep. And that's before all the new SEC TV/Bowl money that's about to come in... and the extra $10mil/yr the stadium expansion is going to make us...

Bottom line, we're bringing in ridiculous money in private donations right now. Dan should tell Strick that he needs an extra $500k in the assistant salary pool -- and the two of them could make 10 phone calls and have the extra money(especially if Collins' defense looks like Diaz as I suspect it will). If he's good, we've got to give him whatever it takes to keep him... this musical DC's is for the birds...

 

[engie]

For State to compete, we need solid defense. 500k is not asking a whole heck of a lot for a quality DC, is it?

Not at all. It's an extra $170k. Seal boys would knock that out in a second if it meant keeping a bright, innovative defensive mind that plays a fun to watch, attacking style of defense...

Nevermind how that style of defense recruits for itself because it's so fun to play in. Joe Lee's did anyway...

 

[patdog]

The thing is, if we think he's an SEC caliber DC, we should be paying him $100k more now. He'd still be the lowest paid DC in the league, but at least he'd be in the ballpark.

 

[57stratdawg]

$500K is 1% of the athletic dept. budget. We could make room for that much more for our assistant coaches if we wanted to. And it's a big mistake that we apparently don't want to.

While I agree with you, I wouldn't say losing assistant coaches is a problem under Mullen. Diaz, Brewster, who else have we truely lost to "lateral" moves? I wouldn't say we lost Melvin or Wilson.

My point is we could disseminate an extra $500K to assistant coaches salaries and we still would have lost Hud, Diaz, and Brewster.

 

[engie]

The thing is, if we think he's an SEC caliber DC, we should be paying him $100k more now. He'd still be the lowest paid DC in the league, but at least he'd be in the ballpark.

True. No argument here...

 

[engie]

While I agree with you, I wouldn't say losing assistant coaches is a problem under Mullen. Diaz, Brewster, who else have we truely lost to "lateral" moves? I wouldn't say we lost Melvin or Wilson.

My point is we could disseminate an extra $500K to assistant coaches salaries and we still would have lost Hud, Diaz, and Brewster.

Turner, Torbush, Diaz, Hudspeth, Brewster, Melvin, Wilson are all the guys we've lost under Mullen.

I agree that money probably wouldn't have held any of those 3 -- but you don't know that unless you've got it and throw it at them. I do know this -- the coaches were all pissed after the season in 2010 when Mullen got his huge raise and they got basically nothing. That's when Diaz and Hud left and that one class fell apart.

If we had offered Brewster $400k and made him full recruiting coordinator, was he still leaving for FSU and $295k? I don't know -- maybe -- but we make it very difficult for him. Is he worth that? I don't know. But the big boys in the SEC would have paid him and talked about it later...

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

****, Diaz went to Tx, they bought him...

and Hudspeth went to another HC job, who gives a **** about him anyway?

& What did he really add?

 

[RC3]

I'm too lazy to look it up but wasn't one of the rose bowl trips with just seven wins?

 

[Wicked Pissah]

If we had offered Brewster $400k and made him full recruiting coordinator, was he still leaving for FSU and $295k? I don't know -- maybe -- but we make it very difficult for him. Is he worth that? I don't know. But the big boys in the SEC would have paid him and talked about it later...

Yes, he would have still left.

 

[patdog]

11, 11 and 8 wins. In the 8-win season they destroyed Nebraska in the Big 10 title game 70-31.

 

[jacksonreb]

THIS is the real issue that both of us have in getting to and staying at the upper tier of th sec. we can and will pay HC enough but keeping up the assists pay to keep from being raided every yr is tough.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

The thing is, if we think he's an SEC caliber DC, we should be paying him $100k more now. He'd still be the lowest paid DC in the league, but at least he'd be in the ballpark.

I agree......and if we really feel good about him, we should sign him up for longer than just a year. Why do we never sign our coordinators to extended contracts? I saw the other day where the offensive line coach at Arkansas (Sam Pittman) just had his contract extended through 2016, with an annual salary of $500k. Yes, you read that correctly.........their offensive line coach makes $175k more than our highest paid coordinator.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...-coach-sam-pittman-raise-new-contract-alabama

 

[Heawww]

Wisconsin was good before Bielema got there. He did OK but was never a true contender for the national title even in a relatively weak B1G. Dude straight up went 7-5 last year and went to the B1G ch'ip because Ohio State and Penn State were on probation. And you're trying to give him credit for that Rose Bowl berth? What a joke.

Now this guy wants to bring that same style to the SEC, where most teams will have more talent (Alabama/LSU/TAM/Auburn for sure, and in their own division). He won an average of 9.14 regular season games a year (I don't count bowls or ch'ip games bc it's variable) at Wisconsin. So the way I see it, he's likely an 8 win team in Arkansas at best. About like Nutt.

 

[hogfan14]

Bielema will have a better staff and recruiting than he had at wisconsin, but he is in a better league as well. He did lose 3 games in OT last year which is weird, but i guess he was due for a down year.

The reason we're paying Pittman so much is because we gave him a raise this offseason after Alabama came after him. He's reeled in some big time OL recruits for us so far.

 

[msstate7]

Wisconsin was good before Bielema got there. He did OK but was never a true contender for the national title even in a relatively weak B1G. Dude straight up went 7-5 last year and went to the B1G ch'ip because Ohio State and Penn State were on probation. And you're trying to give him credit for that Rose Bowl berth? What a joke.

Now this guy wants to bring that same style to the SEC, where most teams will have more talent (Alabama/LSU/TAM/Auburn for sure, and in their own division). He won an average of 9.14 regular season games a year (I don't count bowls or ch'ip games bc it's variable) at Wisconsin. So the way I see it, he's likely an 8 win team in Arkansas at best. About like Nutt.

Meanwhile the new big boy in the big 10 (Ohio st) is building an sec team up north. Meyer is about to dominate the big 10 and force the conference to get better. Ohio state will be the team to break the sec streak, but not this year IMO

 

[patdog]

It's gonna be a real uphill battle for the Big 10. It's not as easy as Meyer is going to show them the way to be good in football again and they'll follow. They've got some real demographic issues working against them with the population decline in the upper Midwest. And it's not going to be nearly as easy for them to convince blue chip prospects from out of the area to come up north to play football in the bitter cold instead of in the south where a 55-degee day in November is cold.

 

[msstate7]

It's gonna be a real uphill battle for the Big 10. It's not as easy as Meyer is going to show them the way to be good in football again and they'll follow. They've got some real demographic issues working against them with the population decline in the upper Midwest. And it's not going to be nearly as easy for them to convince blue chip prospects from out of the area to come up north to play football in the bitter cold instead of in the south where a 55-degee day in November is cold.

Last year's 247 rankings. Add that class to an undefeated team with a great coach. Oh and Meyer already has the perfect qb for his system.

Oh and 9 out of their 23 signees last year were from sec country and texas

 

[patdog]

How about showing me what they're doing on the field. Michigan and Notre Dame have been overrated for most of the last 25 years. Also, note that I didn't say Meyer wouldn't kick *** at Ohio St. He's done it everywhere he's been and he will at OSU as well. I said the Big 10 won't suddenly become a top conference again just because Meyer is there.

 

[msstate7]

How about showing me what they're doing on the field. Michigan and Notre Dame have been overrated for most of the last 25 years. Also, note that I didn't say Meyer wouldn't kick *** at Ohio St. He's done it everywhere he's been and he will at OSU as well. I said the Big 10 won't suddenly become a top conference again just because Meyer is there.

The sec hasn't always dominated and they won't forever. I'm not saying the big10 is gonna overtake the sec this year or even next year. When a conference overtakes the sec though, I predict it'll be the big10. I am predicting Ohio st wins a national championship next season though when Braxton is a senior

 

[JacksonTiger.sixpack]

Cam Cameron's is $3.4 mil over 3 years*

 

[patdog]

Please learn to reply. No, the SEC hasn't always dominated like it has the last 7 years, but it's always been right at the top going back as far as you want to go. What we're seeing in the last few years is dominance so far above what we've seen from any conference ever that it's beginning to look like this may not be just another cycle, but more of a paradigm shift instead. There is a very real population shift from the north to the south that's been going on for 30 years and isn't going to stop and that's bad news for the Big 10's long-term future as far as them being able to match the SEC. The SEC has become the one conference with true national appeal and the SEC Network is only going to make that grow even more. It's going to be real hard for the Big 10 to ever compete with that. Not saying that there won't ever be another national champion from the Big 10. There will, and Ohio St. this year or next is a pretty good bet for that. But long term, the Big 10 doesn't look like it will ever be able to match the SEC again.

 

[msstate7]

See I know how to reply. I use my iPhone in mobile view though so unless someone uses reply with quote I have no idea who they're talking to. Sorry if it bothers you.

As far as continued sec dominance, who knows? Time will tell.

 

[57stratdawg]

See I know how to reply. I use my iPhone in mobile view though so unless someone uses reply with quote I have no idea who they're talking to. Sorry if it bothers you.

As far as continued sec dominance, who knows? Time will tell.

Here's my stance on the SEC dominating - even if a Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Florida State wins the national title in 2014, the 2015 preseason polls will still have 4 or 5 SEC teams in the top 10, and 6 or 7 in the top 25. I see that as a sustainable trend. That's evidence of domination just as much as 7 National Titles in a row.

 

[msstate7]

Here's my stance on the SEC dominating - even if a Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Florida State wins the national title in 2014, the 2015 preseason polls will still have 4 or 5 SEC teams in the top 10, and 6 or 7 in the top 25. I see that as a sustainable trend. That's evidence of domination just as much as 7 National Titles in a row.

True. If the big10 makes the jump I think they eventually will, Nebraska, Wisconsin, penn state (after probation), and Michigan state are going to have to step it up big time.

 

[engie]

The sec hasn't always dominated and they won't forever. I'm not saying the big10 is gonna overtake the sec this year or even next year. When a conference overtakes the sec though, I predict it'll be the big10. I am predicting Ohio st wins a national championship next season though when Braxton is a senior

In the playoff setup where they've, in all likelihood, got to go through two SEC teams? They don't have it in the trenches. Didn't in 06, didn't in 07. Don't now. They've got plenty there to dominate the B1G -- but when they run up against SEC squads in the playoffs, this will be exposed exactly how it has been for years. And make no mistake -- Meyer knows that Saban owns him -- and has known it ever since Saban ruined Tebow's senior year and Meyer tucked tail and ran.

He is now supposed to beat Saban because they squeaked out an undefeated season last year in a bad conference when no one thought they were that good? Because Meyer put together a recruiting class that was closer to 5th than it was to defeating Alabama, who, by the way, is working on their FORTH straight #1 class right now?

The only way Ohio St wins the national title is if the SEC cannibalizes itself in the regular season and doesn't get a team into the game. This is the last year for that logical possibility...

 

[msstate7]

I think Meyer is better than you give him credit for. True saban ruined tebow's senior year, but that tied them up in sec championship games.

 

[patdog]

Completely agree with you about Meyer. He could very well win a national championship at Ohio St.

 

[engie]

I think Meyer is better than you give him credit for. True saban ruined tebow's senior year, but that tied them up in sec championship games.

How so?

Urban beat Saban in Saban's SECOND year in Tuscaloosa. That was well before he had his team and talent level in place. People conveniently forget that Shula recruited right around the 20s before Saban(while Zook recruited around the top 5 for Urban, who also had 2 extra years to build "his" team over Saban). The early talent discrepancy was drastic.

Talent levels on those 08 teams(11 point Florida victory) per scout:
2004(rsSR) - Al-19 UF-8
2005(SR) - Al-16 UF-11
2006(JR) - Al-18 UF-2
2007(SO) - Al-22 UF-1
2008(FR) - Al-1 UF-12

Now, doing the same thing for the 09 teams(19 point Bama victory that could have been 30) per scout:
2005(rsSR) - Al-16 UF-11
2006(SR) - AL-18 UF-2
2007(JR) - AL-22 UF-1
2008(SO) - AL-1 UF-12
2009(FR) - AL-2 UF-21

Everyone knows it's about an average of a 3.5 yr recruiting cycle at Alabama and Florida -- so once Saban got his ball rolling and his players in place, it was over for Urban. Urban out talented him once. That's all.

And Urban is a great coach. Don't get me wrong. But he's no Saban.

 

[msstate7]

Urban won a title at Florida his 2nd year there.

I'm not arguing that Meyer is better than saban though. If I could pick one coach, I pick saban. My next pick would be Meyer though and then there's a huge drop to number three. I just think Meyer recharged with the layoff and saban will eventually burnout. Well maybe he will if he's human.