SEC Basketball Transfers

[ScoobaDawg]

good article breaking down the number of transfers by SEC schools

 

[ScoobaDawg]

good article breaking down the number of transfers by SEC schools

 

[Hanmudog]

This only happens at MSU because Rick has no control over his program. Players hate him and they leave in droves.............or so I have heard.

 

[Irondawg]

A quick looks shows that very, very few of them transfer to other big schools and does prove that we're not alone in our problem.

However, I think one of the differences is that we've had several starters or guys getting 20+ minutes a game leave and for the past 3-4 years we don't exactly look to have a group of guys that enjoy being around each other much.

 

[JxnDawg39211]

We are 6th out of the 12 SEC schools in transfers since the 2003-2004 season.

A look at SEC men's basketball players who have transferred since the end of the 2003-04 season:

KENTUCKY (12)
Bernard Cote (Northwestern)
Shagari Alleyne (Manhattan)
Adam Williams (Marshall)
Morkinyo Williams (Duquesne)
Rekalin Sims (Fresno State)
Donald Williams (Antelope Valley J.C.)
Derrick Jasper (UNLV)
Alex Legion (Illinois)
Mark Coury (Cornell)
Matt Pilgrim (Oklahoma State)
A.J. Stewart (Texas State)
Kevin Galloway (Texas Southern)

ALABAMA (12)
LaKory Daniels (Lipscomb)
Akini Adkins (Florida A&M)
Glenn Miles (unknown)
Albert Weber (unknown)
Shawn Taylor (Chipola J.C.)
Avery Jukes (Butler)
Justin Jonus (Troy)
Verice Cloyd (Tennessee-Chattanooga)
Brandon Davis (South Alabama)
Rico Pickett (Miami Dade College, Manhattan)
Justin Tubbs (East Tennessee State)
Yamene Coleman (Troy)#
#Coleman was a post-graduate transfer, having received his Alabama degree in four years after red-shirting his freshman year.

FLORIDA (11)
Ryan Appleby (Washington)
Mohamed Abukar (San Diego State)
Rashid Al-Kaleem (American International)
Jimmie Sutton (Florida Atlantic, Georgia State)
David Huertas (Ole Miss)
Brandon Powell (Marshall)
Jonathan Mitchell (Rutgers)
Jai Lucas (Texas)
Allan Chaney (Virginia Tech)
Eloy Vargas (Miami Dade College)
Ray Shipman (to be determined)

MISSISSIPPI (10)
Lonnie Jackson (Southern Arkansas)
Brandon Patterson (Arkansas Little-Rock)
Mike Smith (Arkansas Little-Rock)
Xavier Hansbro (Georgia State)
Trey Hampton (Georgia State)
Andy Ogide (Colorado State)
Justin Cerasoli (Loyala-Illinois)
Marquis Young (Chicago State)
Rodney Jones (Southeast Louisiana)
Terrence Watson (Ball State)

GEORGIA (9)
Channing Toney (UAB)
Younes Idrissi (Iona)
Mike Mercer (South Florida) *
Billy Humphrey (New Orleans) *
Rashad Singleton (Florida Southern)
Troy Brewer (American)
Zac Swansey (Tennessee Tech)
Drazen Zlovaric (To be determined)
Demario Mayfield (To be determined)
*Dismissed from team before transfer

ARKANSAS (8)
Kendrick Davis (North Texas)
Wenbos Mukubu (UAB)
Sean McCurdy (William & Mary)
Cyrus McGowan (Miami)
Nate Rakestraw (Biloa College)
Levan Patsatsia (Pensacola C.C., Troy)
Brandon Moore (FIU)
Andre Clark (Logan C.C.)

MISSISSIPPI STATE (8)
Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame)
Richard Delk (Troy)
Reginald Delk (Louisville)
Walter Sharpe (UAB)
Jaquiese Holcombe (West Texas A&M)
Gary Ervin (Arkansas)
Vernon Goodridge (La Salle)
Bernad Rimmer (Georgia State)

TENNESSEE (7)
Boomer Herndon (Belmont)
John Winchester (Quinnipiac)
Damion Harris (Newberry College)
Marques Johnson (North Carolina State)
Duke Crews (Bowie State)
Tony Passley (Southern Indiana)
Ben Bosse (King College)

LSU (6)
Regis Koundija (George Washington)
Ross Neltner (Vanderbilt)
Kentrell Gransberry (South Florida)
Ben Voogd (Northwest Christian)
Magnum Rolle (Louisiana Tech)
Delwan Graham (Chipola J.C.)

SOUTH CAROLINA (5)
Paulius Joneliunas (American)
Stephen McDowell (Tennessee-Chattanooga)
Trevor Deloach (UNC Wilmington)
Chad Gray (Coastal Carolina)
Mitchell Carter (Wisconsin-Milwaukee)

VANDERBILT (5)
Adam Rayton (Williams and Mary)
DeMarre Carroll (Missouri)
Kyle Madsen (Ohio State)
Keegan Bell (Tennessee-Chattanooga)
George Drake (UAB)#
#Drake was a post-graduate transfer, having received his degree at Vanderbilt in Sociology after red-shirting his freshman year.

AUBURN (3)
Marco Killingsworth (Indiana)
Lewis Monroe (Indiana)
Boubacar Sylla (Wyoming)

 

[K Pickles]

missing Jerrell Houston...

 

[Coach34]

And as another said, we have guys transferring that played 20+ minutes, started, and left for other MAJOR Universities...not transferring to small no-name schools

that's your difference

 

[Sutterkane]

are Ohio State, Washington, Texas, Illinois, NC State, Indiana, and Mizzou not major universities.

 

[MedDawg]

Ole Miss should add Kevin Cantinol and Malcolm White. White is a likely starter for LSU next season.</p>

 

[paindonthurt_]

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[RebelBruiser]

White is the first player we've had in a while transfer that will actually see the floor at another major program.

Funny thing is, he transferred because he wanted to go somewhere where he'd be the go to guy on offense. With LSU's incoming recruiting class, he's going to be a role player still, not the main offensive weapon. He needed to transfer to Louisiana-Lafayette if he wanted to be the go-to guy.

ETA: You might be able to add DeAngelo Riley to our list as well, though I don't know if he'll even try to play somewhere next year. He may just quit school. He was a Juco transfer, and I swear I thought he deserved more minutes at times, but he got in trouble academically I think, and he likely won't be back either.

 

[mstateglfr]

This only happens at MSU because Rick has no control over his program. Players hate him and they leave in droves.............or so I have heard.

15 Holcombe's could leave MSU in that timeframe and i wouldnt raise a peep.
It isnt the number of players that leaves that i care about, its WHO leaves and whatroles they were playing in the team. Starters leaving kills a program like MSU. Impact players leaving kills a program like MSU.
Bench players that cant break into even mop up minutes leaving doesnt kill us, thats understandable for them to leave.

UK has an absurd number of transfers because they have had 3 coaches in the timeframelisted.
Bama, OM, USC, Arkansas, and LSU all had 2 coaches in that timeframe.

When coaches change, players leave...its natural.

MSU has had 1 coach. No coaching changes to explain some of themaway. And again, the number doesnt concern me as much as whatrole the players leaving had on the team.

 

[8dog]

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[missouridawg]

It's the fact that real contributors leave.

Nobody cried when Jerrell Houston or Stephen Cowherd left....

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

This only happens at MSU because Rick has no control over his program. Players hate him and they leave in droves.............or so I have heard.

and by comparable I mean, players who left for big time schools, who were playing a lot at Florida, or would have played significant minutes. By comparable I also mean that they haven't been going through coaching searches, or just been flat out terrible during that time frame.

Ole Miss - changed coaches + spent a good deal of that time just awful + no real impact transfers except White this past year
Georgia - coaching change + horrible - 2 of them were kicked off
UK - you got it, coaching changes and running people off to make room for others
Bama - coaching change - only name I recognize there is Jukes and thats just b/c of this past final four

you see a trend?

MSU - Delk (starter), Delk (starter or lots of minutes), Ervin (starter), Hans (starter)

see another trend?

Florida has lost some quality players too Appelby and Lucas were top notch, and Huertas had a couple good seasons at OM

 

[mstateglfr]

and by comparable I mean, players who left for big time schools, who were playing a lot at Florida, or would have played significant minutes.

Exactly. They kept the same coach and lost major contributors.
That, plus losing a couple guys to early entry has hurt them recently.

But UF was able to overcome so many transfers in the 2000s because they were able to reload with 4 and 5* players every year. So if those transfers were starters, impact players, or highly recruited busts, there were elite players waiting on the bench and also ready to come in as freshmen.

Their ability to get so many elite recruits helped keep them up atop the conference and in the national standings.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

and by comparable I mean, players who left for big time schools, who were playing a lot at Florida, or would have played significant minutes.

Exactly. They kept the same coach and lost major contributors.
That, plus losing a couple guys to early entry has hurt them recently.

But UF was able to overcome so many transfers in the 2000s because they were able to reload with 4 and 5* players every year. So if those transfers were starters, impact players, or highly recruited busts, there were elite players waiting on the bench and also ready to come in as freshmen.

Their ability to get so many elite recruits helped keep them up atop the conference and in the national standings.

we had that one bad situation where 3 players left from the same team, butwe faired way better than average for the other 6? Hmmm...you're right, that is a HUGE cause for concern.Something weird happened with that one team. What it is, I don't know. But I likehow Peaches and his cultcan take anomolies like that and try toclaim them asthe norm. Real creative guys. I think it's time for Peaches to host another seminar for you guys. Your material sucks these days.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

and by comparable I mean, players who left for big time schools, who were playing a lot at Florida, or would have played significant minutes.

Exactly. They kept the same coach and lost major contributors.
That, plus losing a couple guys to early entry has hurt them recently.

But UF was able to overcome so many transfers in the 2000s because they were able to reload with 4 and 5* players every year. So if those transfers were starters, impact players, or highly recruited busts, there were elite players waiting on the bench and also ready to come in as freshmen.

Their ability to get so many elite recruits helped keep them up atop the conference and in the national standings.

we had that one bad situation where 3 players left from the same team, butwe faired way better than average for the other 6? Hmmm...you're right, that is a HUGE cause for concern.Something weird happened with that one team. What it is, I don't know. But I likehow Peaches and his cultcan take anomolies like that and try toclaim them asthe norm. Real creative guys. I think it's time for Peaches to host another seminar for you guys. Your material sucks these days.

that list has 8 players on it. 5 of those 8 players started for us... Sharpe is the only one that is different b/c he got into trouble a lot. So 4 of 7 on that list were starters for us. Considering that list spans what, 6-7 years, and we lost a starter or two in 3 or 4 of those 6-7 years, I'd think that's more than just an anomaly...

Had we not lost some of those players, we'd likely not be talking about how Stans has had teams that should have made the tourney easily be bubble teams the past several seasons...

Once again for the slow to comprehend, normal attrition is not a cause for concern. Everyone loses players who aren't going to see the floor. MSU and UF are the only ones losing starters and quality players without having a new coach come in and clean house.

Just because I make this argument doesn't mean I'm anti Stans either. He's done enough that he should have at least one more season to get us to where we should have been already. My entire point is that there are plenty of red flags in the program over the past several years...

 

[BigLeagueChew]

The guys who transferred from OM couldn't beat some HS prep school teams.

 

[jeremyrbrown]

when the delks left, even though they were starters, they weren't in there to finish the game. Stans had Randy and Hans in at the end for the clutch moments. I don't think we ever missed them. They wouldn't have started the next year.

 

[jakldawg]

what, are they Navy SEALs now?

NCAA guy: "okay, they're all accounted for except for...Miles and Weber"
Alabama guy: "yeah, we kinda lost track of them"
NCAA guy: "what?"
Bama guy: "they just sort of stopped coming to practice."
NCAA guy: "and nobody noticed? No crazy fan post on a message board?"
Bama guy: "well, we aren't talking about the football team here, so a lot of stuff is kind of under the radar. It's funny really, didn't leave a forwarding address with their landlord or the registrar. Turns out their 'emergency contact' info was for a barbecue joint in their hometowns. After that it get's weird."

 

[markymark.sixpack]

you made about them transferring to other big time schools. only 3 of 8 actually qualify for that. and let's face it, the only 4 that mattered were the delks, hansbrough, and ervin. and those are the ones i was talking about anyway. i just don't see it being a reason for concern other than that one year.

 

[brantleyjones]

....is missing, among others, Tony Douglas, FSU, who is better than anyone we lost. Lebo lost/ran off as many players as Stansbury did. And Donovan has lost major recruits/starters since Anthony Grant left. It doesn't just happen at MSU, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[mstateglfr]

when the delks left, even though they were starters, they weren't in there to finish the game. Stans had Randy and Hans in at the end for the clutch moments. I don't think we ever missed them. They wouldn't have started the next year.

I havent forgotten that they werent always on the floor at the end of games. Whats your point?...that they were expendable?
So what if theywouldnt have started the next year. Them being gone left us with less talent and experience.

They were starting and were impact players with experience.

What i really love is that you mention how they were replaced with Hansbrough...who promptly then left the next season.

 

[paindonthurt_]

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[jeremyrbrown]

stated that in relation to other school's transfers, ours were worse because they were "starters". I don't think it makes much difference. The Delk's minutes were taken by Barry and Hans with about the same results. The backup minutes were taken by Phil and Ravern with about the same results. Then when Hans left, giving up "starter" minutes, Phil, Ravern, and Dee played his minutes with about the same results.

 

[brantleyjones]

we were comparing other SEC coaches to Stansbury, not Donovan, and Donovan has exactly one undeserved NCAA appearance since the massive defections began.

My point was actually that I doubt the accuracy of the lists, smartass. Brandon Robinson, starter on Cliff Ellis' last Sweet 16 Team, also left with Killingsworth and Monroe.

 

[paindonthurt_]

and it appeared you were.

If you weren't using the list to defend stans then my mistake.

 

[brantleyjones]

it happens everywhere in the SEC. It is not a problem unique to Stans. Donovan has, in fact, had more trouble with it than Stans, since he won his last championship, and as a result, has barely made it back into the tournament, much less won a 3rd. You can really only bash Stans on this if you're living in you own little cocoon in MS and not paying attention to what's going on in the rest of the SEC.

The 2nd was that the lists are screwed anyway, because Lebo was losing and running off players like Sylvester Croom, and AU had hardly anyone listed. Tony Douglas isn't on the list, and he left after his freshman year, transferred to FSU, and is now playing for the Knicks. Has Stans lost any future NBA players?

Tony Douglas is a prime example of what all these coaches are dealing with. He led Auburn in scoring his freshman year as a shooting guard. After the season, Tony and his Dad had a meeting with Lebo, at which Dad informed Lebo that Tony needed to play the point. Lebo disagreed and after the meeting, Douglas was no longer on the AU basketball team.

 

[paindonthurt_]

If you are going to toss Donovan's name in the hat, I'll say he can have any number of transfers that he wants and that doesn't cut Stans any slack. When Stans wins two (2) national titles, I want ***** about transfers. Hell, when Stans makes it to the sweet 16, I want ***** about them.

2nd: Yes the list is flawed and the guy obviously didn't do any research. But if you are talking about Lebo now then that still doesn't cut stans any slack. Why? B/c Lebo got fired. I'm not saying these guys transfer b/c of something the coach did or didn't do. Some of them are just plain and simple cocky, arrogant, pompous, SOBs, but ULTIMATELY it is the coach's responsibility to win.

Having winning seasons isn't good enough. Going 21 and 10 and not making the tourney isn't good enough. Going 23 and 8 and getting a bad seed b/c you lost to multiple crappy teams isn't good enough.

If we had went 24 and 7 this year (and we should have) and been seeded say 5 or 6 and lost to a hot team (ala Xavier), then I wouldn't be so frustrated b/c if we are consistently having really good regular seasons then eventually the stars will align for us. The problem is that Stans has only had 2 really good regular seasons.

 

[Steakonastick]

wish they would make a rule that if you transfer to a d-1 school you have to sit for two years. That would cut down on over half of the players who wanna leave. just because a new coach comes in or you do not like how your are being used is not a reason to transfer. That is your fault for signing with that team. like the kid who signed to play football at florida, i cant think of his name said you sign with a program not with a coach. And if players are not getting playing time they are more then welcome to go to d-2 schools and play till their heart is content. this way you help the schools who could get screwed by kids leaving with the graduation rate in play to scholarships

 

[brantleyjones]

there's nothing that I can do for you, or say to you. It is what it is. I agree that Stans, and the whole team underachieved this year, but I thought that they severely overachieved the year before. It all comes out in the wash, If you can't live without State making the Sweet 16, I suggest that you follow another sport, like baseball, uh, never mind. Or become a fan of another school. Stans is not going to be fired unless he has a losing season, or a couple of losing seasons, or a series of losing seasons in conference. In spite of yours and dick34's frustration, State is not going to fire a head coach for not making it to the Sweet 16, or for not playing an offense that you like. Reality bites. Some Valium might take the edge off your frustration, though.

 

[mstateglfr]

wish they would make a rule that if you transfer to a d-1 school you have to sit for two years. That would cut down on over half of the players who wanna leave. just because a new coach comes in or you do not like how your are being used is not a reason to transfer. That is your fault for signing with that team. like the kid who signed to play football at florida, i cant think of his name said you sign with a program not with a coach. And if players are not getting playing time they are more then welcome to go to d-2 schools and play till their heart is content. this way you help the schools who could get screwed by kids leaving with the graduation rate in play to scholarships

It is beyond naive to think a player is signing to play at a school because they love the school and have a devotion to it. That is in the vast minority. Almost always, the player develops a relationship with the STAFF. That doesnt mean if the staff leaves, then all players will automatically leave. But it does mean the player isnt committing to a school, its to the representatives of the school.

Why should coaches be allowed to bounce all around at the drop of a hat from program to program yet the players be forced to sit out a year if they transfer? There is simply no actual justification that explains such an inequality away.

When a coach leaves, it can screw up the program, even more than a player leaving.

And if a coach is hired with a different system, one that doesnt fit current players, why the hell should they be forced to stay there? They didnt commit to that coach, they didnt commit to that system.
Why punish a kid for not wanting to play in a system that is designed to not allow them to play well?

If you are going to force a player to go to D2 or sit out for 2 years because they had a falling out with the staff, or a new staff doesnt fit their play, or they messed up in their commitment choice, then how can you not force a coach to do the same? Where is the equal treatment? After all, BOTH player and coach make or break a program.

Isnt it the coach's fault for agreeing to coach at a certain school when another one has a job opening?