Sebastian Rivera
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I'd love to see him here. Great partner for Alvarez and Aragona to train with.
He got a good look at the team as a spectator yesterday. Has he been injured? It would be great to bring someone of his caliber in next year.
Yeah, hurt his ankle at Midlands and hasn't wrestled since.
Sea Bass would legit be a NC contender at 133 as a grad transfer. It would give Alvarez a chance to RS and Aragona a dedicated practice partner. I think it would be a win all around if he transfers in next year.
Sammy is #8 and Seabass is #5 in the country. Sammy could very well beat Seabass. Besides, I couldn’t see Goody redshirting our best wrestler next year. Is it possible Seabass bumps up to 141 and JoJo redshirts? It would be a good problem to have, but a problem nonetheless.
I don’t think Alvarez can beat Rivera, at least this year, injures notwithstanding. There’s a pretty significant drop off after Gross, DeSanto, RBY, and Rivera.
I know Alvarez took RBY to SV, but I also never thought for a second that RBY was going to drop that match.
I know Alvarez took RBY to SV, but I also never thought for a second that RBY was going to drop that match.
While I agree to an extent, but Sammy needs to prove he can do it in March. Rivera is a proven commodity.
Rivera finished 6th his RS Freshman year and 3rd last year. He also beat Spencer Lee twice last year and Spencer has only lost 5 times in his entire career to date.
With that being said, Sammy is the present and the future so he is only redshirting at this point unless he really wants to or is injured, that's pretty obvious.
Pretty sure most folks with inside knowledge of that situation have said that ship has sailed, and that's why you don't see his name in these discussions.
And hopefully he will be an Olympic Champion as well!!!!
Can say that about almost all of the weight classes. I wouldn’t say it’s likely but I also wouldn’t say I’d be surprised if Spencer Lee gets to the semi’s and FF out. 149 is also pretty wide open in both the big 10s and NCAAs.
Rivera took the injury loss to Piotrowski so should be the #5 with Piotrowski the #4.#2 Rby and #3 Desanto.You will have Lovett and Alvarez 6/7
Sammy split with Pepple and Lovett is 1-0 against Pepple.In conference common opponent should get Lovett the seed.Sammy #7 in coaches poll and Lovett #11.Sammy could get the #6 over Lovett but I don't think so.#6 would put him in 1/4 against Desanto and #7 1/4 against RBY.
I hope this Flowrestling article copy and pastes correctly:
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Projecting The 133lb Seeds For The 2020 Big Ten Conference Tournament
View Full Big Ten Wrestling Championship Coverage
Feb 13, 2020Wrestling Nomad
As we always do at this time, we have begun our projected seeding for the Big Ten championships. I will do one every weekday, continuing here with 133 pounds.
Watch the 2020 Big Ten Championships Live on Flo
March 7-8 | 10 AM & 11 AM Eastern
The seeding rules changed once again this year. In 2019, they seeded all 14 guys if a weight had eight or more automatic qualifier allocations. This year, they are seeding every entry at all 10 weights no matter what the allocations look like.
There's no question 133 is much more difficult to seed than 125 was. You have the Austin DeSanto/Roman Bravo-Young injury default debate, Sebastian Rivera has wrestled in zero Big Ten duals, we still don't know who Michigan will be using, and Boo Dryden being a late replacement for Brent Jones in Minnesota.
Let's try to figure this out.
Projected 133 Seeds
Now to the question of RBY/DeSanto. For rankings purposes, I stand by what we did leaving DeSanto ahead. Additionally, the debate between 2 and 3 only matters in terms of who you face in the quarters, but it is important for precedent purposes. It is further muddied by DeSanto having a win over Gross, while Bravo-Young lost to Gross.
Ultimately, I think the Big Ten coaches go RBY over DeSanto due to the black and white fact that, for NCAA seeding purposes, the injury default counts as a quality win and counts for win percentage purposes. It will be fascinating to see how it plays out.
There was another injury default situation between Travis Piotrowski and Sebastian Rivera at Midlands. I would say that one is less contentious though, since Rivera hasn't wrestled since then. If Seabass doesn't wrestle this weekend, he has to be the 14 seed. If he does, he can be 11 with a win over King Sandoval or as high as six with a win over Sammy Alvarez.
Mark Manning and the Nebraska staff looked smart after pulling Ridge Lovett's redshirt. The Husker true freshman has a pretty similar resume to Piotrowski and I'm putting him over Alvarez, disagreeing with our Big Ten rankings. I think Pio's win over Alvarez gives him the advantage over Lovett, but I'm not sure if the coaches give Rivera the benefit of the doubt with just two wins when Lovett is going to wrestle in every conference dual.
I have Lovett over Alvarez because of Garrett Pepple. Lovett beat Pepple in the dual and Alvarez split with the Spartan, taking the most recent one in their dual on January 12. They both beat Cayden Rooks, Lovett will face Boo Dryden in the final dual of the year, and they both have beaten Travis Ford-Melton.
If the seeds go as I said, with RBY at the 2 and Sammy the Bull getting the 7, then we would be treated to an excellent quarterfinal. That would be a rematch of their scramblefest in Rec Hall back on January 19, won by the Nittany Lion right at the end of the second sudden victory period.
Rooks has wins over Dryden, King Sandoval, and Ford-Melton, splitting with the Boilermaker freshman but winning in the dual. Dryden is obviously tough as he came in late, but his win over Ford-Melton puts him in the 9 slot. He'll see DeSanto and Lovett to close out the regular season.
The bottom five gets a little wonky, but those guys will all need to outplace their seed to qualify anyway. Ford-Melton and Pepple both beat Sandoval, who beat defeated Decatur. Joey Silva beat Pepple and Sandoval, as well as backups Paul Glynn and Brent Jones.
It's unclear if the Wolverines will go with Silva or Austin Assad, but neither will be seeded very high. Assad beat Sandoval and Northwestern backup Dylan Utterback, so they'll both be in that 11/12 range.
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Projecting The 133lb Seeds For The 2020 Big Ten Conference Tournament
View Full Big Ten Wrestling Championship Coverage
Feb 13, 2020Wrestling Nomad
As we always do at this time, we have begun our projected seeding for the Big Ten championships. I will do one every weekday, continuing here with 133 pounds.
Watch the 2020 Big Ten Championships Live on Flo
March 7-8 | 10 AM & 11 AM Eastern
The seeding rules changed once again this year. In 2019, they seeded all 14 guys if a weight had eight or more automatic qualifier allocations. This year, they are seeding every entry at all 10 weights no matter what the allocations look like.
There's no question 133 is much more difficult to seed than 125 was. You have the Austin DeSanto/Roman Bravo-Young injury default debate, Sebastian Rivera has wrestled in zero Big Ten duals, we still don't know who Michigan will be using, and Boo Dryden being a late replacement for Brent Jones in Minnesota.
Let's try to figure this out.
Projected 133 Seeds
- Seth Gross, Wisconsin
- Roman Bravo-Young, Penn State
- Austin DeSanto, Iowa
- Travis Piotrowski, Illinois
- Ridge Lovett, Nebraska
- Sebastian Rivera, Northwestern
- Sammy Alvarez, Rutgers
- Cayden Rooks, Indiana
- Boo Dryden, Minnesota
- Travis Ford-Melton, Purdue
- Joey Silva, Michigan
- Garrett Pepple, Michigan State
- King Sandoval, Maryland
- Jordan Decatur, Ohio State
Now to the question of RBY/DeSanto. For rankings purposes, I stand by what we did leaving DeSanto ahead. Additionally, the debate between 2 and 3 only matters in terms of who you face in the quarters, but it is important for precedent purposes. It is further muddied by DeSanto having a win over Gross, while Bravo-Young lost to Gross.
Ultimately, I think the Big Ten coaches go RBY over DeSanto due to the black and white fact that, for NCAA seeding purposes, the injury default counts as a quality win and counts for win percentage purposes. It will be fascinating to see how it plays out.
There was another injury default situation between Travis Piotrowski and Sebastian Rivera at Midlands. I would say that one is less contentious though, since Rivera hasn't wrestled since then. If Seabass doesn't wrestle this weekend, he has to be the 14 seed. If he does, he can be 11 with a win over King Sandoval or as high as six with a win over Sammy Alvarez.
Mark Manning and the Nebraska staff looked smart after pulling Ridge Lovett's redshirt. The Husker true freshman has a pretty similar resume to Piotrowski and I'm putting him over Alvarez, disagreeing with our Big Ten rankings. I think Pio's win over Alvarez gives him the advantage over Lovett, but I'm not sure if the coaches give Rivera the benefit of the doubt with just two wins when Lovett is going to wrestle in every conference dual.
I have Lovett over Alvarez because of Garrett Pepple. Lovett beat Pepple in the dual and Alvarez split with the Spartan, taking the most recent one in their dual on January 12. They both beat Cayden Rooks, Lovett will face Boo Dryden in the final dual of the year, and they both have beaten Travis Ford-Melton.
If the seeds go as I said, with RBY at the 2 and Sammy the Bull getting the 7, then we would be treated to an excellent quarterfinal. That would be a rematch of their scramblefest in Rec Hall back on January 19, won by the Nittany Lion right at the end of the second sudden victory period.
Rooks has wins over Dryden, King Sandoval, and Ford-Melton, splitting with the Boilermaker freshman but winning in the dual. Dryden is obviously tough as he came in late, but his win over Ford-Melton puts him in the 9 slot. He'll see DeSanto and Lovett to close out the regular season.
The bottom five gets a little wonky, but those guys will all need to outplace their seed to qualify anyway. Ford-Melton and Pepple both beat Sandoval, who beat defeated Decatur. Joey Silva beat Pepple and Sandoval, as well as backups Paul Glynn and Brent Jones.
It's unclear if the Wolverines will go with Silva or Austin Assad, but neither will be seeded very high. Assad beat Sandoval and Northwestern backup Dylan Utterback, so they'll both be in that 11/12 range.
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