Scoring the Blue Bloods
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Why no winning pct in the equation?
Which is more Important than NFL Draft or All-American’s or Heisman Trophies..
And why does Michigan St and Tennessee have more national titles.
Which is more Important than NFL Draft or All-American’s or Heisman Trophies..
And why does Michigan St and Tennessee have more national titles.
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Why no winning pct in the equation?
Which is more Important than NFL Draft or All-American’s or Heisman Trophies..
And why does Michigan St and Tennessee have more national titles.
Yeah but Boise
That website is very confusing for an old guy like me.
Nebraska is one of the best all time, and there are very few statistical measurements that even close to suggesting otherwise.
Nebraska is one of the best all time, and there are very few statistical measurements that even close to suggesting otherwise.
we are clearly a blue blood based on historical success .. here is how we stack up against other blue bloods in the last 15-20 years .. it has been a long time since we have had a blue blood type season ... the longest dry spell of any blue blood program in the modern era ..have posted this analysis before
The criteria are subjective but there probably is some requirement for present day/recent success befitting of a blue blood .. blue bloods are expected to be elite .. there has to be more than just total wins, most of which are meaningless
I defined an elite season (worthy of blue blood status) as a top 10 finish or major bowl appearance (NY6 equivalent)
The last blue blood worthy season Nebraska has had dates all the back to 2001 (nearly 2 decades)
Listed is what other blue blood programs have accomplished since that time (2001)
Texas - 7 top 10s, 5 major bowls, 1 nat title
USC - 9 top 10s, 9 major bowls, 2 nat titles
Alabama - 12 top 10s, 9 major bowls, 5 nat titles
Michigan - 5 top 10s, 6 major bowls
OSU - 15 top 10s, 14 major bowls, 2 nat titles
ND - 3 top 10s, 5 major bowls
OU - 11 top 10s, 13 major bowls
Penn State - 5 top 10s, 4 major bowls
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 5 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 10 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 15 years
all the others have multiple elite seasons
The criteria are subjective but there probably is some requirement for present day/recent success befitting of a blue blood .. blue bloods are expected to be elite .. there has to be more than just total wins, most of which are meaningless
I defined an elite season (worthy of blue blood status) as a top 10 finish or major bowl appearance (NY6 equivalent)
The last blue blood worthy season Nebraska has had dates all the back to 2001 (nearly 2 decades)
Listed is what other blue blood programs have accomplished since that time (2001)
Texas - 7 top 10s, 5 major bowls, 1 nat title
USC - 9 top 10s, 9 major bowls, 2 nat titles
Alabama - 12 top 10s, 9 major bowls, 5 nat titles
Michigan - 5 top 10s, 6 major bowls
OSU - 15 top 10s, 14 major bowls, 2 nat titles
ND - 3 top 10s, 5 major bowls
OU - 11 top 10s, 13 major bowls
Penn State - 5 top 10s, 4 major bowls
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 5 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 10 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 15 years
all the others have multiple elite seasons
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when it comes to blue bloods and winning we hear things are cyclical quite often
List of longest streaks (cycles) without a top ten finish or major bowl appearance by a blue blood (+ Penn State)
1960 - current
Michigan - 4 years
Alabama - 5 years
OSU - 6 years
USC - 7 years
ND - 7 years
Texas - 8 years
PSU - 8 years
OU - 12 years
Nebraska - 17 years and counting
without being on probation during the time span (OU), of the blue bloods, only Nebraska has gone more than a decade without having an elite season - we are closing in on 2 decades
List of longest streaks (cycles) without a top ten finish or major bowl appearance by a blue blood (+ Penn State)
1960 - current
Michigan - 4 years
Alabama - 5 years
OSU - 6 years
USC - 7 years
ND - 7 years
Texas - 8 years
PSU - 8 years
OU - 12 years
Nebraska - 17 years and counting
without being on probation during the time span (OU), of the blue bloods, only Nebraska has gone more than a decade without having an elite season - we are closing in on 2 decades
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we are hoping that Frost gets us back to that elite status ... it didn't take very long for other blue bloods when they got an elite coach
Blue Blood programs and time to elite status. In parenthesis is the number of wins the program had in the 3 years prior to being hired. Jury is out for some - Harbaugh and Herman. Urban took over a team already performing at an elite level so I did not include him. Kept the list to the 90s onward.
Of the 10 coaches listed (not including Frost)
6/10 - elite season in year 2
9-10/10 - elite season by year 3 - can debate Mack Brown
6/9 had won a national title by yr 3 (excluded Herman)
7/9 had played for a national title (above 6 + Kelly)
Blue Blood + Great Coach = elite program by years 2-3 (modern era)
Mack Brown - yr 3 - 7 -1 in conference top 15 -- yr 4 top 10 - (22 combined wins the 3 yrs prior)
Tom Herman - year 2 NY6 win -- (16 wins 3 yrs prior)
Pete Carrol - year 2 top 5 -- Nat Title yrs 3-4 -- (19 wins the prior 3 yrs)
Lloyd Carr - year 3 nat title (25 wins prior 3 years)
Jim Harbaugh - year 2 - top 10 + major bowl (20 wins the prior 3 years)
Jim Tressel - year 2 nat title (25 wins the prior 3 years)
Bob Stoops - year 2 - nat title (12 wins the prior 3 years)
Lou Holtz - year 3 national title (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Brian Kelly - year 3 nat title game (16 wins the prior 3 years)
Nick Saban - year 2 ranked 6th - year 3 nat title (22 wins the prior 3 years)
Scott Frost – 4-8 1st year (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Blue Blood programs and time to elite status. In parenthesis is the number of wins the program had in the 3 years prior to being hired. Jury is out for some - Harbaugh and Herman. Urban took over a team already performing at an elite level so I did not include him. Kept the list to the 90s onward.
Of the 10 coaches listed (not including Frost)
6/10 - elite season in year 2
9-10/10 - elite season by year 3 - can debate Mack Brown
6/9 had won a national title by yr 3 (excluded Herman)
7/9 had played for a national title (above 6 + Kelly)
Blue Blood + Great Coach = elite program by years 2-3 (modern era)
Mack Brown - yr 3 - 7 -1 in conference top 15 -- yr 4 top 10 - (22 combined wins the 3 yrs prior)
Tom Herman - year 2 NY6 win -- (16 wins 3 yrs prior)
Pete Carrol - year 2 top 5 -- Nat Title yrs 3-4 -- (19 wins the prior 3 yrs)
Lloyd Carr - year 3 nat title (25 wins prior 3 years)
Jim Harbaugh - year 2 - top 10 + major bowl (20 wins the prior 3 years)
Jim Tressel - year 2 nat title (25 wins the prior 3 years)
Bob Stoops - year 2 - nat title (12 wins the prior 3 years)
Lou Holtz - year 3 national title (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Brian Kelly - year 3 nat title game (16 wins the prior 3 years)
Nick Saban - year 2 ranked 6th - year 3 nat title (22 wins the prior 3 years)
Scott Frost – 4-8 1st year (19 wins the prior 3 years)
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I think we get it jib321 and that’s why our Huskers are on the tail end of the list and it doesn’t matter how hard someone tries...Blue Bloods are not made up of recent success. It’s success over decades and decades of success. We are STILL Blue Bloods and the 60’s-2000s kept us there. I do agree, if Frost doesn’t get us going we will get jumped by PSUcks or Tennessee. But as of now, this list is 100% on the money and follows the same on ever site that ranks blue bloods...OSU, Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Texas and the Huskers. USC, Texas and the Huskers have been on the droughts and need to step it up.
Had we not turned the ball over 8 times against ISU or they not put a second back on the clock in XII title game we would have been a top 10 team in 09. We were a QB away from being in the title hunt that year.
Absolutely dead on. We had a National Champ type defense that year. Bo Pelini had us in a number of conference titles, he couldn’t ever pull one off. Texas and OU games are the ones that pop up the closest. Then the Wisconsin one as another. We had our chances, we just couldn’t get over that hump.
Well the reality of the matter is Bo Pelini did come close more then a several times. He got us to the conference titles and lost close ones to TexAss and OU, but then got blown out by the Vadgers. And that 2009 season we had Suh and probably the best defense in the country. We held OU Sooners to 6 points (has that ever happened since Stoops had OU with some of the elite offenses in the country?). The only thing we needed that year was decent to good QB.
I fear one of the early signs of slipping from
royalty is lamenting 4 loss seasons as being “so close” or pimping wins against teams like Oklahoma in seasons where they (OU) lost 5 games.
Oh yeah?!?! I failed to see anyone “PIMPING” wins against teams like Oklahoma. I know bunch of us hope Frost and Martinez are in full stride and the team is in great shape by the time we face OU in 2021 or is it 2022?? Regardless, no matter how it’s spun, how it’s twisted, altered and nit picked apart...we are still Blue Bloods and it will take several more 4-8s (which won’t happen under Frost) to drop off.
Edited: oh I get it. You are trying to take away any success we had and down play it. Well have at my friend. Doesn’t change a thing, we are still Blue Bloods, even though on the tail end of the list...we are still on it.
We are clearly blue bloods - I never said otherwise - my point is since 2001 we have massively underperformed compared to other blue bloods when it comes to elite seasons.
We have a lot of collateral in the bank - but we are spending it down.
Consider this - Iowa has had 5 elite seasons since our last in 2001.
....and?!?! I think all of us Husker fans know we are in a drought. Heck all of us admit that and none of us have claimed other wise. So your preaching to the choir. Again, like I posted above....Frost came at the right time. He will be the Head Coach that saves us from dropping off that list. He will have us in BIG title games yearly (not saying we will be there ever single year, just that we will be contending every year) and I’m more then confident in Frost. He will get us a conference Title at some point and break that bad streak we are on.
Just to be clear, I am no Bo Pelini fan, not even close. But I’ll give the man credit. He owned Iowa (3-1) and averaged 9-10 wins a season. 67-29 overall record I believe?!?! He even had us playing in several conference titles during his run. He’s only knock was he couldn’t win said big games. He pulls a Kirk Ferentz and takes a dump against the big boys. Oh and Bo Pelini hates recruiting and never did well in that area...talent level was clearly dropping. He needed to be fired and we needed to move on. Clearly Mike Riley was NOT the answer.
They need to have two categories first one blue bloods that cheat like bama Texas OU and the blue bloods that don't like NU Michigan, and if there including Iowa and Boise st it's a fraud, it's fake or just a bad article
The top of the website states, "There are only 8 Blue Bloods in college football" and then proceeds to list the eight. All eight have there logo's in blue above that.
Iowa falls into the group stated as needing decades of winning to reach that status.
Iowa falls into the group stated as needing decades of winning to reach that status.
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Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State are definitely up there but I don't think teams like USC or Notre Dame have that much more impressive history than us, if at all. I would also put us ahead of Michigan and Texas. We'd have to have at least another 20 years as bad as the last 20 before there can even be a discussion about our status as a blue blood. Right now that status is firm.
That’s what I keep saying. It will take a lot more 4-8s for us to drop off. We had a MONSTER run until this recent slump and that does count for something.
we are clearly blue bloods and will be for a awhile ... the comparisons I have made are not for the purposes of arguing we do not belong in this exclusive club -- we clearly do -- but given our membership I think it is fair to compare us directly to these members
Blue blood status I believe entails not only overall winning percentage but also elite achievements ... we could win 9 games a year for the next 2 decades without winning anything of significance and still be among the all time leaders in winning percentage ... as detailed, since the 1960s we currently have - by far - the longest stretch of irrelevance of any blue blood program which makes us, currently, the most at risk of falling off the list. We need to start accumulating conference titles and be occasionally in the national title discussions
Doesn't matter. We have 2 or 3 teams in our history that no other team could beat.
And those 5 years are amongst the best in Iowa school history except for 1985,1958 and 1960...
Yes. No doubt. We need to start having regular top 10 seasons otherwise the only thing that will separate this program from Iowa is our past history rather than our present and future.
Yes, 100% correct sir. TMart one year earlier would have had us playing for a NC.