Schlossnagle in Omaha...

[engie]

Interesting.

In 2017, he lost the opener. From the loser's bracket, he proceeded to win 3, forcing a winner-take-all game against Florida to close out that side of the bracket that TCU lost 3-0. So, was in the "final 4" and forced the final game of that setup.

In 2016, he won his first two to get into the driver's seat, then lost two to blazing hot Coastal Carolina. Again in the final 4.

In 2015, beat LSU, lost a 1-0 heartbreaker to Vandy, beat TCU again, and lost to Vandy again. Again in the final 4.

In 2014, won his first game, then lost the next two.

In 2010, beat FSU, lost to UCLA, eliminated FSU, beat UCLA, then lost to UCLA in the winner-take-all game for the championship series.

So, since the Cohen era got going at State, Schlossnagle has been to Omaha 5 times. Has never gone 2 and q there. In those final trips, he's made the final 4 in four of the five trips. And been a couple outs away from the championship series twice. That's with a very high cost of attendance and not the kind of help from the endowment that he's always wanted. And being third wheel in that metroplex. And I suspect this would look even better had he been in a power conference during this full data set rather than the mountain west for almost half of it.

It's going to be an interesting couple of weeks if the rumors play out.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

I’m hoping Tadlock and TTU can come back from the losers bracket and knock them out, but TCU looks like the best team in that tournament right now... I’d rather their season end this week than have it drag on any longer.

 

[Todd4State]

About being third in the Dallas metroplex. I'm sure Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, and Oklahoma State are all factors there as well. And probably Arkansas because of Wes Johnson.

I'm not sure where TCU falls in there but wherever it is Schlossnagle is at a disadvantage and is winning big there.

 

[shotgunDawg]

About being third in the Dallas metroplex. I'm sure Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, and Oklahoma State are all factors there as well. And probably Arkansas because of Wes Johnson.

I'm not sure where TCU falls in there but wherever it is Schlossnagle is at a disadvantage and is winning big there.

The metroplex is a very split place.

In baseball, there really isn't a #1 place. TCU, Arkansas, A&M, Tech, Texas, Oklahoma, & Oklahoma State all get their fair share.

I'm being honest, there is no #1 in baseball. It's literally about which school gets on him first & if the kid wants to stay close to home or go off.

It changes from year to year, but for the 2018 class A&M has the best recruits. Next year it may be different

If you put a gun to my head to ask me what the current baseball recruiting pecking order was in the metroplex, I'd put in this order.

A&M
TCU
Arkansas
LSU
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

In any given year though, this can flip however, I think A&M & TCU are clearly 1 & 2

 

[dickiedawg]

I think Schlossnagle was tuned in and watching closely our game Tuesday.
The announcers were having a conversation about the best leagues. Obviously SEC was number one, and they said ACC was down a little bit this year but was still Number 2.
Not long after that one of the commentators said he had just gotten a text from a Big XII coach that said the B12 was actually the number 2 RPI conference this year.
They didn’t say who the coach was but that he had “made a home in Omaha” the past few years. That sure sounds like Schlossnagle to me.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

You had me at “beat LSU”.

 

[MSUDC11]

TCU has finished in the final four on four different occasions since 2010, we have finished in the final four twice in our history. Go get him, Cohen.

By comparison, McDonnell has a really bad record in Omaha. Only 2-8 all-time there and he’s never finished in the final four. Granted, he’s still been four times since 2007 and has had his program significantly better than ours for the most part in his tenure at UL.

 

[patdog]

Damn. That's about as many CWS wins in 8 years as we have in our history. We've been to several CWS, but other than 85 & 13, we've gone either 0-2 or 1-2.

 

[AlSwearengen]

Someone on another board hinted that along with getting Schlossnagle, there was some other stuff going on that we would like.

Now on you say an interesting couple of weeks???

 

[MedDawg]

I’d rather TCU win the National Championship then Schlossnagle comes to State. Can you imagine the hype then?

I know the draft is important, but hopefully we will have a way to let the high schoolers know. I don’t if the hire will make that much of a difference in their draft positions anyway. If they are drafted but haven’t signed, then we can still try to keep them.

 

[Go Budaw]

The thing is, being 3rd in the pecking order in the Metroplex for baseball talent and calling that a disadvantage is like saying the 2nd runner-up in Miss America is ugly. Over twice as many people in that area alone as the entire state of MS. And not only that, but average / median incomes are 20-25% higher there so there is likely a much higher density of baseball talent there than the population at large and an even bigger gap vs. Mississippi.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Schlossnagle and think he would recruit better here than TCU, mainly due to our history / facilities and overall support of the program being way better (as well as it not being private / high tuition). But he’s currently reaping the fruits of a demographic advantage there that he would not even come close to ever having at MSU.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Dallas Baptist making a super regional tells you what the talent is like there.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Damn. That's about as many CWS wins in 8 years as we have in our history. We've been to several CWS, but other than 85 & 13, we've gone either 0-2 or 1-2.

But yet no titles? Are we content with just getting there?

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

along with getting Schlossnagle, there was some other stuff going on that we would like.

 

[MSUDC11]

But yet no titles? Are we content with just getting there?

How many active coaches are there that have won national titles AND you would take them over Schloss? The only one I can think of is O’Sullivan, and that ain’t happening. I wouldn’t take Mainieri, Corbin, O’Connor, John Savage, or Gary Gilmore over Schloss.

 

[Confucius Say]

But yet no titles? Are we content with just getting there?

Seriously?

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

The key to winning a title is getting to Omaha often. Baseball is so subject to streaks that the best teams often lose (85). One lucky swing, one ace pitcher changes a game. That’s why MLB has a best of 7.
Look at us in 2013. We weren’t the second best team. Renfroe was hot. Our pitching was dialed in better than they had been all year.
If we get to Omaha every other year or better, we’ll win one.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

The real question... hypothetically:
As proud as we are of Polk’s teams in the 80’s/90’s and Cohen’s last few, what do we do if a Schlossnagle gets us to Omaha 3 out of every 5 years and wins a natty or two?

 

[patdog]

Mostly agree with you, but I think you're selling the 2013 team a bit short. That was a damn good team. Possibly the best we've ever had. The record didn't look great because the schedule was incredibly tough.

 

[engie]

The thing is, being 3rd in the pecking order in the Metroplex for baseball talent and calling that a disadvantage is like saying the 2nd runner-up in Miss America is ugly. Over twice as many people in that area alone as the entire state of MS. And not only that, but average / median incomes are 20-25% higher there so there is likely a much higher density of baseball talent there than the population at large and an even bigger gap vs. Mississippi.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Schlossnagle and think he would recruit better here than TCU, mainly due to our history / facilities and overall support of the program being way better (as well as it not being private / high tuition). But he’s currently reaping the fruits of a demographic advantage there that he would not even come close to ever having at MSU.

So 25% higher average income there...

Full cost of attendance:
Mississippi State - $24370/yr
TCU - $60704/yr
aTm - $27452/yr
Texas - $25178/yr

This is assuming in-state fees on all of the colleges, which basically all athletes get through various loopholes. It's a miracle they manage to compete at all. Much less be a top 5-6 program overall over the last decade.

Keeping in mind that TCU historically:
- 0 CWS appearances pre-Schloss, 5 since in the last 8 years.
- 0 Regional Championships, 7 since in the last 9 years.
- 2 NCAA tournament appearances, 13 since in the last 14 years.
- 0 conf tourney champs prior, 8 since in the last 14 years.
- 7 conf championships prior mostly from the 56-72, 11 since in the last 14 years.

So obviously the metroplex didn't recruit itself for TCU prior to his arrival there.

Since he simply had conference equality, he's gone 41-19 overall in the postseason and is currently defending 4 back-to-back trips to Omaha.

 

[Go Budaw]

So 25% higher average income there...

Full cost of attendance:
Mississippi State - $24370/yr
TCU - $60704/yr
aTm - $27452/yr
Texas - $25178/yr

This is assuming in-state fees on all of the colleges, which basically all athletes get through various loopholes. It's a miracle they manage to compete at all. Much less be a top 5-6 program overall over the last decade.

Keeping in mind that TCU historically:
- 0 CWS appearances pre-Schloss, 5 since in the last 8 years.
- 0 Regional Championships, 7 since in the last 9 years.
- 2 NCAA tournament appearances, 13 since in the last 14 years.
- 0 conf tourney champs prior, 8 since in the last 14 years.
- 7 conf championships prior mostly from the 56-72, 11 since in the last 14 years.

So obviously the metroplex didn't recruit itself for TCU prior to his arrival there.

Since he simply had conference equality, he's gone 41-19 overall in the postseason and is currently defending 4 back-to-back trips to Omaha.

You’re wasting keystrokes. I never said he wasn’t a badass coach. Just saying that he hasn’t had some crazy uphill climb to get players there like some have insinuated. And of course the Metroplex didn’t “recruit itself”. Neither did Nashville / TN as a whole before Corbin got to Vandy. It takes getting the right guy in there sometimes to get resources maximized.

Fact is that most of the country still doesn’t care about college baseball from an administrative standpoint due to it being a money pit in most places. However, more and more programs like Vandy / TCU are starting to leverage those resources better. TCU may not be as effective as Vandy at utilizing their endowment money, but they are using it to put them at least on a similar playing field as A&M, Texas, etc. They are getting talent in there somehow. You don’t get to 4 straight CWS’s just by “coachin em up”.

 

[MSUDC11]

Mostly agree with you, but I think you're selling the 2013 team a bit short. That was a damn good team. Possibly the best we've ever had. The record didn't look great because the schedule was incredibly tough.

Good team that became great in the postseason. I thought our 2016 team was better for the entire year. Just cooled off at the wrong time.

 

[Go Budaw]

But yet no titles? Are we content with just getting there?

No, but getting there is a start. We’ve only “just gotten there” once in the last 10 years and twice in the past 19 years. For a program / fan base that tries to call itself elite and a blue blood of college baseball, one CWS every decade and single digit appearances over our entire history is pretty damn embarrassing.

 

[Go Budaw]

Mostly agree with you, but I think you're selling the 2013 team a bit short. That was a damn good team. Possibly the best we've ever had. The record didn't look great because the schedule was incredibly tough.

Totally agree. Everyone thought we were kind of flukey because we didn’t rely heavily on our starting rotation to get innings which was kind of unconventional, but that was mostly because we had maybe the best bullpen in college baseball history (Girodo / Lindgren / Holder / Ross Mitchell - 2 of 4 made the show within a year after getting drafted and Girodo currently in AAA). Then you had Renfroe / Frazier who are current MLB players, Pirtle who was an elite SEC hitter, and Wes Rea who was very formidable when he had protection in the lineup and was extremely clutch that season. Easily the best team we ever had from top to bottom.

 

[Cubswillwinitonedaydawg]

But yet no titles? Are we content with just getting there?

You're right.** FAHRR SCHAEFER!!
Dubmass.

 

[5049]

The metroplex is a very split place.

In baseball, there really isn't a #1 place. TCU, Arkansas, A&M, Tech, Texas, Oklahoma, & Oklahoma State all get their fair share.

I'm being honest, there is no #1 in baseball. It's literally about which school gets on him first & if the kid wants to stay close to home or go off.

It changes from year to year, but for the 2018 class A&M has the best recruits. Next year it may be different

If you put a gun to my head to ask me what the current baseball recruiting pecking order was in the metroplex, I'd put in this order.

A&M
TCU
Arkansas
LSU
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

In any given year though, this can flip however, I think A&M & TCU are clearly 1 & 2

You've bumped your head Texas is always going to be #1

 

[57stratdawg]

We need to pull better talent through this program on the mound. It gives you the most consistent chance to make runs in post season, IMO.

 

[engie]

It takes getting the right guy in there sometimes to get resources maximized.

Which he obviously doesn't think he has, since he's talking about jumping ship. http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article3831986.html

TCU may not be as effective as Vandy at utilizing their endowment money, but they are using it to put them at least on a similar playing field as A&M, Texas, etc.

You mean the aTm with the $11.6bil endowment and the Texas with the $26.5bil endowment are having financial aid equalized by TCU with the $1.5 bil endowment? I don't think you thought that response through very well.

They are getting talent in there somehow. You don’t get to 4 straight CWS’s just by “coachin em up”.

Obviously. There's a reason that he's considered the best coach in college baseball. But he isn't routinely outrecruiting what MSU has been doing for the past decade. So there is a lot of development happening in there somewhere. He's recruiting about like us -- and winning a title of some description basically every year for the past decade plus.

 

[Go Budaw]

Which he obviously doesn't think he has, since he's talking about jumping ship. http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article3831986.html

That article was from 6 years ago. Or, in TCU history terms, 4 CWS appearances ago. He has plenty of resources and he’s using them. Just because they found one case study in 2012 where a kid found more private aid at Vandy doesn’t mean they have no money to give now in 2018. Like I said in the previous post, they likely started giving more of a **** when he started winning big, and some changes were made.

You mean the aTm with the $11.6bil endowment and the Texas with the $26.5bil endowment are having financial aid equalized by TCU with the $1.5 bil endowment? I don't think you thought that response through very well.

No, I thought it through just fine. Any school with an endowment figure that ends with the word “billion” can name how much of that private aid they want going to athletics. If what you said above had any merit, Vandy with ther measley $4.3 billion endowment wouldn’t have the biggest recruiting advantage in college baseball compared to those schools and others. The difference is Vandy chooses to allot more of that money to baseball than other schools do and is more creative with it, at least at the moment. The whole original point was that TCU, even if they don’t fork over the kitten caboodle from the fund to give full rides, can still give some private money to offset the cost of attendance gaps between them and the public Texas schools. So that is basically a non-issue.

Obviously. There's a reason that he's considered the best coach in college baseball. But he isn't routinely outrecruiting what MSU has been doing for the past decade. So there is a lot of development happening in there somewhere. He's recruiting about like us -- and winning a title of some description basically every year for the past decade plus.

Whether he’s signing blue chips and riding them until draft day or developing guys like we did with Hunter Renfroe, etc, at the end of the day you have to at least have something to work with in a player. He is finding plenty of guys in DFW that have those tools, and in large part because there are so damn many of them there. Its a huge credit to him as what he’s been able to do, and I really hope he can do it here too if he is the guy. But he’s not exactly getting blood from a stone in DFW.

 

[mount lefroy]

Mostly agree with you, but I think you're selling the 2013 team a bit short. That was a damn good team. Possibly the best we've ever had. The record didn't look great because the schedule was incredibly tough.

85 would have beaten 13’s ***. 85 would have beaten the best players from UCLA and msu 13. 85 was merely unlucky.

 

[MedDawg]

The real question... hypothetically:
As proud as we are of Polk’s teams in the 80’s/90’s and Cohen’s last few, what do we do if a Schlossnagle gets us to Omaha 3 out of every 5 years and wins a natty or two?

Change the name to Schlossnagle-DeMent Stadium

 

[Todd4State]

The real question... hypothetically:
As proud as we are of Polk’s teams in the 80’s/90’s and Cohen’s last few, what do we do if a Schlossnagle gets us to Omaha 3 out of every 5 years and wins a natty or two?

If we win a National Title in baseball I'm going on a crazy road trip from Omaha to Starkville to New Orleans probably without any sleep.

I may get arrested in Omaha for dog piling with the team so I might wake up on Bourbon St. with a bunch of taser scars wondering what on Earth happened.

 

[Go Budaw]

85 would have beaten 13’s ***. 85 would have beaten the best players from UCLA and msu 13. 85 was merely unlucky.

85 didn’t have the pitching depth of 13. Not even close. No way in hell that our 2013 pen would have blown the 6-0 lead that the 85 team did after Morgan went down. And even Thunder and Lightning would have had a hard time hitting balls out of the caverns of TD Ameritrade with the dead bats and high seam ball that were used in 2013.

If you time warped the 2013 team to play in 1985 Rosenblatt with the juiced bats, I think the 85 team probably wins. But if you did the reverse, I think 2013 wins. Regardless, all that we know definitively is that the 2013 won more when it counted than 1985 and made it farther. So, 2013 is and always will be the better team.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Don’t wake up with Schloss tattooed on your nagle.

If we win a National Title in baseball I'm going on a crazy road trip from Omaha to Starkville to New Orleans probably without any sleep.

I may get arrested in Omaha for dog piling with the team so I might wake up on Bourbon St. with a bunch of taser scars wondering what on Earth happened.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

Mostly agree with you, but I think you're selling the 2013 team a bit short. That was a damn good team. Possibly the best we've ever had. The record didn't look great because the schedule was incredibly tough.

Hmm. They didn’t didn’t hit well at all. Outside of Renfroe, Frazier, Pirtle, we struggled. I love them but...
I think what they accomplished makes them an all time great, but ‘84, ‘85, ‘89 were the best. I’ll always say ‘89 was our best team ever. But I love ‘13 for doing the most with less.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

Good team that became great in the postseason. I thought our 2016 team was better for the entire year. Just cooled off at the wrong time.

Agree. Which supports the point. You gotta get to Omaha often because you never know. FSU is the the anomaly; twenty-some odd CWS with no titles.

 

[nsvltndog]

Hmm. They didn’t didn’t hit well at all. Outside of Renfroe, Frazier, Pirtle, we struggled. I love them but...
I think what they accomplished makes them an all time great, but ‘84, ‘85, ‘89 were the best. I’ll always say ‘89 was our best team ever. But I love ‘13 for doing the most with less.

I agree that the 1989 was the best MSU team we ever had and was very likely the best team in College Baseball that season. We spent most of that season ranked #1. The '89 squad didn't have the star power that 1985 had, but top to bottom it was an unreal team. These were the kids that signed on after watching what we did in 1985. Losing that 1989 home regional was heartbreaking, but proves the point that you have to be hot at the right time.

 

[squirldawg]

Go count the # of players that have and are playing major league baseball...

I agree that the 1989 was the best MSU team we ever had and was very likely the best team in College Baseball that season. We spent most of that season ranked #1. The '89 squad didn't have the star power that 1985 had, but top to bottom it was an unreal team. These were the kids that signed on after watching what we did in 1985. Losing that 1989 home regional was heartbreaking, but proves the point that you have to be hot at the right time.

From the 2013 season and things may seem a little different.

 

[Go Budaw]

Hmm. They didn’t didn’t hit well at all. Outside of Renfroe, Frazier, Pirtle, we struggled. I love them but....

1) Rea was also very good that season.
2) Are you seriously arguing that UCLA hit it better than we did?

That team hit plenty well enough. Over half the lineup was a threat and we were great at getting on base even when we weren’t hitting well for average.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

1) Rea was also very good that season.
2) Are you seriously arguing that UCLA hit it better than we did?

That team hit plenty well enough. Over half the lineup was a threat and we were great at getting on base even when we weren’t hitting well for average.

1) I love Wes Rea, but he couldn’t hit a curveball if you told him it was coming. He wasn’t a good hitter at all. Did he hit .250?
2) No. which proves my overall point that the best teams don’t always win.

I disagree that half the team was a threat. The bottom of the order wasn’t good. Pirtle hit cleanup because of it.

Just calling it like it was. I’m true maroon. I was in Omaha that year. I love those guys. One of my favorite teams ever.