He’s interested.
That much I know, what he needs or wants to remain interested no one knows
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That much I know, what he needs or wants to remain interested no one knows
And no one you want to bring in other than GS, even if that person is your number one choice ... is a “slam dunk” to gets results.
Hopefully reports of : "willing to pay 9.5 to 10 million for the next staff (including the HC) "
are true , which should mean one of the Head Coaches most consider the better choices will chose to take over the Rutgers football program.
But like some others ( might feel) , think RU's past hiring practice history will probably be repeated with the excuse of : until Rutgers starts receiving a full B1G share can't afford to spend that type of money while trying to keep RU's Athletic Department's budget at a reasonable level and choices of those willing to take on a project like Rutgers is will be second tier candidate because the so called best and brightest on the market will not consider RU for what Rutgers will be offering.
The TRUTH is no one knows, it is what many fans, former players and boosters want, but no one and I mean NO ONE knows what Schiano is thinking. He may be done with coaching or he may rather go someone else. No one knows and unless they personally discussed this with Schiano, anyone who tries to say anything different is full of you know what.
I've posted stuff about Hafley here and I'm open to coordinators unlike most here. Out of the coordinator group though I like Grinch and Elko better cause of the longer track record (Hafley only DC for 1 yr)and a demonstration of doing more with less in their careers.
That being said he does get good reviews especially on personality being able to relate with multimillionaire NFL guys and college kid and also as DB coach. I tend to think the personality would also help him attract assistants as well if we have the budget rumored. So while I'm not enamored with the length of his record and the lack of doing more with less I could envision him as one of those CEO coaches. Find out what style of offense he'd run and staff he'd be able to get and if it's satisfactory I'd be good with it. I've mentioned a Kevin Wilson as AHC/OC would be solid hire and then maybe a Fran Brown as DC and then that's a trio I'd be satisfied with and see where it goes.
Personally, I'm open to a lot of avenues...I think people are under false impressions of "safe" hires and there aren't any be it Schiano, Norvell (my fave) or whomever.
Also should note what is the likelihood of Hobbs going back to the same co-DC well of OSU. I'm not against it but you have to wonder.
Enough about Schiano already. One needs to look at the context of his 'accomplishments.'
The Big East was a very strong conference while Shea was HC. Despite going 5-6 (and 2-5 in league and winning BE Coach of the Year) ) in '98 his teams were overmatched against Miami, VTech, Cuse, BC and WVU. He went 1-11 in '99, beating only Cuse..but that didn't change the narrative. With all those teams in the league, Rutgers couldn't compete. Shea is viewed as a failure.
Schiano's teams couldn't compete in the league either until all but one of those teams left. He never beat BC, Miami, VT or WVU. Not a single time. No better than Shea. Also headed for failure. But very lucky for him the league was gutted and was forced to replace the schools that left with G5 caliber schools. USF never even had a football team before, and UCONN was 1AA. And that powerhouse Cincinatti team ! This new, stark void of top programs, which almost led to the league losing its BCS bid, is the forgotten context of Rutgers' rise. And yet all of the weak replacements except USF surpassed him and won a BE title (and BCS bid) and he did not. That is significant: The league was so weak that everyone had a chance, even the low level programs. And almost all of them did win at one point or another. Only RU and USF did not.
He was in the right place at the right time. Would Shea have done as well or better than Schiano in a gutted league ? Maybe. Yes, that's true. We'll never know. Would Derek Jeter be a hall of fame player if he played on the Padres his whole career ? Context is often disregarded in sports.
Despite all the bluster, he hasn't shown he can win in a strong league (NFL, Big10, or even the BigEast before the near collapse).
The Big East was a very strong conference while Shea was HC. Despite going 5-6 (and 2-5 in league and winning BE Coach of the Year) ) in '98 his teams were overmatched against Miami, VTech, Cuse, BC and WVU. He went 1-11 in '99, beating only Cuse..but that didn't change the narrative. With all those teams in the league, Rutgers couldn't compete. Shea is viewed as a failure.
Schiano's teams couldn't compete in the league either until all but one of those teams left. He never beat BC, Miami, VT or WVU. Not a single time. No better than Shea. Also headed for failure. But very lucky for him the league was gutted and was forced to replace the schools that left with G5 caliber schools. USF never even had a football team before, and UCONN was 1AA. And that powerhouse Cincinatti team ! This new, stark void of top programs, which almost led to the league losing its BCS bid, is the forgotten context of Rutgers' rise. And yet all of the weak replacements except USF surpassed him and won a BE title (and BCS bid) and he did not. That is significant: The league was so weak that everyone had a chance, even the low level programs. And almost all of them did win at one point or another. Only RU and USF did not.
He was in the right place at the right time. Would Shea have done as well or better than Schiano in a gutted league ? Maybe. Yes, that's true. We'll never know. Would Derek Jeter be a hall of fame player if he played on the Padres his whole career ? Context is often disregarded in sports.
Despite all the bluster, he hasn't shown he can win in a strong league (NFL, Big10, or even the BigEast before the near collapse).
Congratulations of all the moronic posts I’ve ever seen on schianos tenure yours is probably a top 5.
Thanks for this. Because I was going to ask if someone could ask him if he’s 100 percent not interested could he put that out there.
Stop the speculation.
Someone will say the cold boiled cabbage could have made Townsend get that catch in Triple OT.
Can someone please tell me which coaches who want to come here are more qualified than GS?
I can see the argument for Moorehead or Jones. Otherwise I'm at a loss.
I can see the argument for Moorehead or Jones. Otherwise I'm at a loss.
You don't think the coaches talk amongst themselves? You don't think the history isn't known? You don't think that they don't know that we're replacing the president in 7-8 months? These guys aren't stupid, they'll look at our track record and that will factor into their decisions.
The BE went undefeated in bowls in 2006. The BE was a pretty strong league 05-11. Let's not forget, WVU should have gone to the NC in 07 and Cincy in 09.
GS was a play away from winning the BE x3:
2006 (Ito makes a FG in regulation against WVU)
2008 (Britt holds on to that catch against Cincy)
2011 (Te makes one of those FGs he missed against Ville)
To hold those plays against him as a bad coach seems kind of silly.
To the anti GS crowd, I wonder, had those 3 plays gone the other way and GS has 3 league titles, do his detractors change their view? Literally on 3 plays, or 3 games?
Sorry to correct you, but.....
2006 (The refs don't blow the whistle on the Slaton fumble against WVU.)
I blotted out that play in my memory...it's bad enough I can replay the Townsend drop in the endzone in my head.
Yeah, the drop was bad, but having that play blown dead after we returned it for a TD?
You see where we were before him and are after him don't you?
I rest my case...Top 40 in the country isn't good enough for you...got it!
I don't need context when his ex players are all advocating for him because they're embarrassed by their Alma-Mater in its current state of ineptitude
NotIn...also context is that new bowls were added so that every team .500 or better could make one.
What I am saying is, Schiano's success coincided with 4 of the top 5 BigEast teams leaving, and he never beat the one team that stayed. And, clearly the replacement teams were much inferior to the teams that left.
It's that simple. It would be silly to argue that RU's 'rise' would have occurred if those teams he never could beat didn't leave the conference.
What I am saying is, Schiano's success coincided with 4 of the top 5 BigEast teams leaving, and he never beat the one team that stayed. And, clearly the replacement teams were much inferior to the teams that left.
It's that simple. It would be silly to argue that RU's 'rise' would have occurred if those teams he never could beat didn't leave the conference.
They last played in 2004 a 10 point loss on the road and BC was ranked at the time. Not really a fair indictment. The tide was turning
Schiano was 4-3 in conference in 2005, the supposed "breakout year" for the program since it was the first bowl game in decades.
Teams no longer on the schedule: BC, VT, Miami. Zap, that's just a coincidence ?
Rutgers played one ranked team #23 Louisville and lost 56-5.
There is absolutely no doubt that Schiano lucked into being in a weak league once the teams he could never beat all left.
He was 5-5 vs UCONN
Teams no longer on the schedule: BC, VT, Miami. Zap, that's just a coincidence ?
Rutgers played one ranked team #23 Louisville and lost 56-5.
There is absolutely no doubt that Schiano lucked into being in a weak league once the teams he could never beat all left.
He was 5-5 vs UCONN
His 2006 thru his departure year could have beaten any of those teams outside the year of the wildcat offense
and even with those teams leaving...the big east was able to have:
2005 - #5, #19
2006 - #6, 10, 12
2007 - #6, 17
2008 - #17, 23
2009 - #8, 15, 25
compared to the rankings of the 3 ACC teams who left:
2005 - #7, 17, 18
2006 - #19, 20
2007 - #9, 10
2008 - #15
2009 - #10, 19
So, while not name brand teams, we didn't lose any competitive quality. so please tell us again about how the replacement teams were inferior?
Greg's record as a HC at Rutgers was mediocre, he had some success but plateaued after 2006. His conference record in the last 5 years of his tenure was 16-19, very mediocre. But you can't site his record to his supporters because they are arguing on an emotional level such as he will energize the fan base, people will have hope, they will feel better about the program and its future, etc. Greg provided them their 15 minutes of feeling like they belonged among the big boys in 2006 and they love and support him for it even if the college football world has moved on, there aren't any stats or records that will have any affect on their position that only Greg can lead Rutgers back to the glory days of 2006. It is kind of sad but at the same time understandable.
I don’t know about you RUforlife. But I was quite proud of Rutgers football for a hell of a lot longer than 15 minutes.
Right up until I was walking out of Yankee Stadium beside an Iowa St fan who’s exact words were... “ we knew you were good, but we had no idea you guys were this good”
I’ll take it.
You can continue to bash it...all good
I am sorry, stating his record and labeling his last five years as mediocre is not bashing Greg. Saying he sucked and was a loser would be bashing, but to the Schiano die hards anything short of unabashed praise is considered bashing, I get it, I really do, not upset or angry, all good, love all you Schiano guys. I will root for Greg if he ends up as our coach as much as anybody, sometimes however, I do wonder if some in the Schiano movement will do likewise for a coach whose initials aren’t GS.
The supporters here have all sorts of unrelated and meaningless rebuttals ('COULD have beaten those teams except for the wildknight year').
My simple question, and still no takers is:
Was the exit of BC, VT and Miami,the top teams in the conference until that point the reason for Rutgers rise (highest BE bowl slot #3) or was that a pure coincidence and instead Schiano's stellar coaching the reason ?
My simple question, and still no takers is:
Was the exit of BC, VT and Miami,the top teams in the conference until that point the reason for Rutgers rise (highest BE bowl slot #3) or was that a pure coincidence and instead Schiano's stellar coaching the reason ?
I will, as long as it’s one of the guys who’s name has been bantered about...minus Moorhead (something I don’t like about him)
But if it’s some roll the dice guy who’s never rebuilt a team, I’ll be pissed.
Hafley is the only flier I’ll take...lol
Peace!
Unlike you, I have No idea, I’d have taken my chances with any of them.
Maybe the Mets wouldn’t have won the 69 series had they not split the league into divisions... who cares.
I do know we could have played with and competed with all of them.
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Labeling his last 5 years as mediocre would be wrong, in my opinion and might be unwarranted based on the W-L record.
Those who consider going to minor bowl games and winning them would consider that a pretty good year but after going to a few of them saying the coach needs to bring the program up to a higher level that makes major bowl games would be an honest critique in my mind.
Can't see how the last 5 years Greg had at Rutgers ( except the 4-8) 8-5,8-5, 9-4, 4-8 & 9-4 were mediocre, at least to my way of thinking
If so Rutgers might be hiring a mediocre coach toi replace Ash , if Schiano isn't the chosen one, because they might have records close to what Greg put up his last 5 years.
If I was going to knock those 5 years, I'd just say: those 5 years shouldn't be considered good enough to think Schiano is the best choice and Hobbs needs to find someone who can bring Rutgers to the level Greg failed to do.
Rutgers being a pretty good program but not making major bowls, isn't good enough anymore and Rutgers could be a constant top 25 program under the right HC.
Greg only made the top 25 once in his 11 years and not in his last 5..
So let's just see who makes the final countdown and compare his last 5 years to Greg's.
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