Schiano!

zappaa

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Jul 27, 2001
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Prove it, list names, not off of this site, but actual names. I believe there are currently more than 500,000 living alumni you can start there. I would like a spreadsheet listing at least 250,001 names supporting Schiano for HC by the end of the week.
I would say the “I hate Schiano-anybody but Schiano” club is quite tiny, and very very cult like.
The “only Schiano” club is small as well.

There’s an ultra large contingent that would do cartwheels over a big name coach, but since they’re smart enough to know one of those isn’t coming to this ****-show of a program... they advocate for Schiano.
For no other reason other than he put is in position to be disappointed over no BCS games and conference titles, filled the stadium, and the fact I know Delany quite well, we’d be playing in a different league today absent his tenure and success.
 
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RUforlife

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I refer you to Reddit, NJ.com, the Asbury Park Press and innumerable polls from this site. Now I would like you to provide me with a list of card-carrying He Man Schiano Hater Club members. Should take you about 10 seconds. Got more than 10?
I don't believe in polls, I want the actual names. You got the wrong poster if you want a Schiano hater, I am in the conduct a legit search and then if it leads back to Greg, great, I will give him my 100% support crowd.
 

zappaa

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Jul 27, 2001
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He peaked at mediocrity - and now is an outdated coach. Even stacked defenses can't help him on gameday now. I keep hearing how competitive he's gonna make us, how he's gonna fill the seats, and recruit with the best. It's BS.. He's gonna get embarrassed over and over on Saturdays - and the hype will fade fast. The casuals will stop showing up, and recruits will choose programs - who don't get blown out by Purdue level teams
Signed
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zappaa

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I don't believe in polls, I want the actual names. You got the wrong poster if you want a Schiano hater, I am in the conduct a legit search and then if it leads back to Greg, great, I will give him my 100% support crowd.
Well done, not the poll part.
 
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Knight177lb

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He peaked at mediocrity - and now is an outdated coach. Even stacked defenses can't help him on gameday now. I keep hearing how competitive he's gonna make us, how he's gonna fill the seats, and recruit with the best. It's BS.. He's gonna get embarrassed over and over on Saturdays - and the hype will fade fast. The casuals will stop showing up, and recruits will choose programs - who don't get blown out by Purdue level teams

Peaked at mediocrity? He did the impossible. He made a Rutgers football team relevant. Nobody ever thought it could be done. He built that stadium and got us into the Big Ten.
 

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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He peaked at mediocrity - and now is an outdated coach. Even stacked defenses can't help him on gameday now. I keep hearing how competitive he's gonna make us, how he's gonna fill the seats, and recruit with the best. It's BS.. He's gonna get embarrassed over and over on Saturdays - and the hype will fade fast. The casuals will stop showing up, and recruits will choose programs - who don't get blown out by Purdue level teams
One more quick question, why would I take your opinion as fact, when I can defer to his ex players who advocate for him?
Don’t you think they know a bit more than you do as to what GS brings to the table Monday thru Friday than you do?
 

MADHAT1

Heisman
Apr 1, 2003
31,412
16,248
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Prove it, list names, not off of this site, but actual names. I believe there are currently more than 500,000 living alumni you can start there. I would like a spreadsheet listing at least 250,001 names supporting Schiano for HC by the end of the week.
That's impossible and you know it.
But a good indication of the fans Greg brings to the table can be seen in the football attendance before Schiano arrived, the increase after he became HC till he left and what attendance looks like now

Just to be fair and keep the whine of stadium expansion made the increase , just make it the percentage of seats filled BS (Before Schiano). DGT (During Greg's Time ) and ASL (After Schiano Left)

Then think of how many would probably return if he was hired because of the excitement his hire would cause.


is the cry of The Pickled Knights, one of the biggest tailgate groups.

‘Everybody here wants Greg Schiano back’: Rutgers tailgaters send message to Pat Hobbs with game day sign - nj.com
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...-message-to-pat-hobbs-with-game-day-sign.html
 
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brgRC90

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I can't speak for others opposed to a Schiano hire but as for me I would rather we throw the dice on someone who seems promising than a known quantity that we can be certain will never rise above mediocrity. A lot of Schiano supporters admit he's likely to only get mediocre results and they're fine with that because it's better than being rock bottom bad, which is their right. I'd rather we try for something better. As for the Schiano supporters weirdly acting like he won championships, they're not worth talking to for long.
 

graystork

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I don't believe in polls, I want the actual names. You got the wrong poster if you want a Schiano hater, I am in the conduct a legit search and then if it leads back to Greg, great, I will give him my 100% support crowd.

Fine then stop spewing the bs that Schiano has only a few vocal supporters. Conduct your legit search. I can't wait to see all the great coaches you're gonna find that will come to this dumpster fire.
 
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Retired711

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I shouldn't try to bring rationality to this discussion, but I want to point out that almost every one here is assumes there are two camps: HIre Schiano today vs. Schiano-haters. There really is room for a third view: do a search and hire Schiano if he seems like the best candidate. Schiano is considerably older than when he last started a rebuild here, and he may or may not have the fire to do what he's done. I can't think of a better candidate, but hey, that's what search firms and searches are for.
 

Scarlet Shack

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Feb 3, 2004
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No way we go up 10,000. People are beaten down over the last 4 years

And People know how depressed the program is and how easy it will get single tickets

However ...the moment this thing shows like we are real...we will be back to the Low 30s in season tickets and averaging in the high 40s with sellouts for our big name games again.
 

Scarlet Shack

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Feb 3, 2004
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I can't speak for others opposed to a Schiano hire but as for me I would rather we throw the dice on someone who seems promising than a known quantity that we can be certain will never rise above mediocrity. A lot of Schiano supporters admit he's likely to only get mediocre results and they're fine with that because it's better than being rock bottom bad, which is their right. I'd rather we try for something better. As for the Schiano supporters weirdly acting like he won championships, they're not worth talking to for long.

We are not in a position to roll the dice on someone who “seems promising “
 

RUforlife

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That's impossible and you know it.
But a good indication of the fans Greg brings to the table can be seen in the football attendance before Schiano arrived, the increase after he became HC till he left and what attendance looks like now

Just to be fair and keep the whine of stadium expansion made the increase , just make it the percentage of seats filled BS (Before Schiano). DGT (During Greg's Time ) and ASL (After Schiano Left)

Then think of how many would probably return if he was hired because of the excitement his hire would cause.


is the cry of The Pickled Knights, one of the biggest tailgate groups.

‘Everybody here wants Greg Schiano back’: Rutgers tailgaters send message to Pat Hobbs with game day sign - nj.com
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...-message-to-pat-hobbs-with-game-day-sign.html
Winning puts butts in seats, not coaches. Bring in any coach and if he produces a winning product on the field the stadium will be full and if he loses the stadium will be empty. Schiano comes in and struggles and the novelty of him coming back will quickly wane. The problem is that the worship the ground he walks on Schiano crowd, which is a vocal minority, will make excuse after excuse why he should be given 5, 6, 7 or even 8 years to right the ship as opposed to another coach who they would demand put a competitive product on the field within a few years. The man is much older then when he first came and has tasted failure, nobody here knows what is left in the tank, it's not a slam dunk like some would have us believe. We need a legit search to include coaches that have succeeded at the FBS, preferably P5, level. If that search turns out to be fruitless than maybe Schiano will be our best option, but let's give the process a chance and let Hobbs do his due diligence.
 

Knight Shift

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May 19, 2011
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I can't speak for others opposed to a Schiano hire but as for me I would rather we throw the dice on someone who seems promising than a known quantity that we can be certain will never rise above mediocrity. A lot of Schiano supporters admit he's likely to only get mediocre results and they're fine with that because it's better than being rock bottom bad, which is their right. I'd rather we try for something better. As for the Schiano supporters weirdly acting like he won championships, they're not worth talking to for long.

1. Throw the dice at someone who "seems promising?" Really? Who?

2. "A known quantity that we can be certain will never rise above mediocrity?" Again, really? How can you be so certain? Greg's last two recruiting classes, and in particular, the 2012 class were his best classes. And that was when Rutgers was in conference limbo. Greg will now be recruiting for a B1G team. Our facilities are light years ahead of what they were when he left in 2012. In addition, we have a competent AD who has demonstrated an ability to raise 100's of millions of dollars for multiple projects. The sky is the limit.

And I am not known on these boards as a "Schiano supporter." Nobody I have seen is weirdly acting like he won championships.

All of that said this is the tide other candidates are swimming against:
1. Key donors (Towers and Brown) are firmly in Greg's corner, or at least it seems to be the case.

2. Former players are firmly in Greg's corner.

3. A large segment, more likely, a large majority, of the fanbase is pushing for Greg's hire.

4. He had no reason to do it, but PJ Fleck made perhaps the most compelling case for Greg's hiring. PJ waxed poetic for close to 10 minutes about everything he learned from Greg and plainly said he owes his entire career to what he learned from Greg. And PJ worked for Jerry Kill and Jim Tressel. He did not have to go on like he did.

So, who would you hire?
 

graystork

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Winning puts butts in seats, not coaches. Bring in any coach and if he produces a winning product on the field the stadium will be full and if he loses the stadium will be empty. Schiano comes in and struggles and the novelty of him coming back will quickly wane. The problem is that the worship the ground he walks on Schiano crowd, which is a vocal minority, will make excuse after excuse why he should be given 5, 6, 7 or even 8 years to right the ship as opposed to another coach who they would demand put a competitive product on the field within a few years. The man is much older then when he first came and has tasted failure, nobody here knows what is left in the tank, it's not a slam dunk like some would have us believe. We need a legit search to include coaches that have succeeded at the FBS, preferably P5, level. If that search turns out to be fruitless than maybe Schiano will be our best option, but let's give the process a chance and let Hobbs do his due diligence.

For a guy who demands the names of 100,000's of fans, you sure depend on a lot of fairy tales. And after all these mad Schiano worshippers demand that he get an 8 year contract, they're going to set fire to the stadium, stage a revolution and revoke the first amendment so you can't complain about Schiano too right?

And Schiano is older than he was in 2001? Who isn't? Want to know some HC's older than Schiano?

Nick Saban +15
Willie Fritz +6
Steve Addazio +7
David Cutcliffe +12
Mack Brown +15
Pat Narduzzi same
Bronco Mendenhall same
Dino Babers +5
Gary Patterson +6
Lovie Smith +8
Jim Harbaugh +3
Kirk Ferentz +11
Mark Dantonio +11
Paul Chryst +1
Jeff Monken -1
Brian Kelly +5
Lance Leipold +1
Jim McElwaine +4
Jeff Tedford +5
Kevin Sumlin +2
Chip Kelly +3
Chris Peterson +2
Kyle Whittingham +7
Mike Leach +5
Gus Malzahn +1
Ed Orgeron +5
Jimbo Fisher +1
and yes Urban Meyer +2

So please stop this absurd argument that Schiano is too old.
 
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brgRC90

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Apr 8, 2008
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1. Throw the dice at someone who "seems promising?" Really? Who?

2. "A known quantity that we can be certain will never rise above mediocrity?" Again, really? How can you be so certain? Greg's last two recruiting classes, and in particular, the 2012 class were his best classes. And that was when Rutgers was in conference limbo. Greg will now be recruiting for a B1G team. Our facilities are light years ahead of what they were when he left in 2012. In addition, we have a competent AD who has demonstrated an ability to raise 100's of millions of dollars for multiple projects. The sky is the limit.

And I am not known on these boards as a "Schiano supporter." Nobody I have seen is weirdly acting like he won championships.

All of that said this is the tide other candidates are swimming against:
1. Key donors (Towers and Brown) are firmly in Greg's corner, or at least it seems to be the case.

2. Former players are firmly in Greg's corner.

3. A large segment, more likely, a large majority, of the fanbase is pushing for Greg's hire.

4. He had no reason to do it, but PJ Fleck made perhaps the most compelling case for Greg's hiring. PJ waxed poetic for close to 10 minutes about everything he learned from Greg and plainly said he owes his entire career to what he learned from Greg. And PJ worked for Jerry Kill and Jim Tressel. He did not have to go on like he did.

So, who would you hire?

I would look at other programs and learn from them. The ones who are successful frequently at getting good coaches but are not blue chip programs that can hire blue chip coaches don't succeed by hiring old coaches back and they usually don't succeed by hiring coordinators just because they come from a big name team. They hire head coaches from down below.
 

Colbert17!

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Aug 30, 2014
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Fine then stop spewing the bs that Schiano has only a few vocal supporters. Conduct your legit search. I can't wait to see all the great coaches you're gonna find that will come to this dumpster fire.

Outside of money there aren't a lot of good reasons for coaches to want to come here unfortunately. Rutgers is far from being an attractive job.
 

brgRC90

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Outside of money there aren't a lot of good reasons for coaches to want to come here unfortunately. Rutgers is far from being an attractive job.

Rutgers is in the Big Ten and is certainly more attractive than all of the smaller programs below it.
 

yesrutgers01

Heisman
Nov 9, 2008
122,350
38,102
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With Schiano’s players.

Players under Flood were literally telling HS recruits NOT to come to RU.

How could you want that again?

Ummmm- it may be worse now...not only are they not coming but players are telling other players to get out while they can...just saying lol
 
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RUonBrain

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Ummmm- it may be worse now...not only are they not coming but players are telling other players to get out while they can...just saying lol

Yikes

If that is the case, who is more likely to convince those players to stay?

Schiano or Flood?
I think that is an easy answer.
 

zappaa

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I would look at other programs and learn from them. The ones who are successful frequently at getting good coaches but are not blue chip programs that can hire blue chip coaches don't succeed by hiring old coaches back and they usually don't succeed by hiring coordinators just because they come from a big name team. They hire head coaches from down below.
Thank you for making your points clear and expressing your views on why you don’t want GS back in a civil, adult manner that will advance conversation.

I disagree, NJ and the state of Rutgers IS different... there IS no other place like it.
With the program mired in the depths of unprecedented ineptitude and fan apathy..,. we can not afford to “ throw dice”
 

sherrane

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Outside of money there aren't a lot of good reasons for coaches to want to come here unfortunately. Rutgers is far from being an attractive job.

Then we should drop to FCS. Rutgers is among the top US Universities, in a top athletic conference, and in a top media market. The problem at RU has always started and ended with the small time thinking of the Athletic Department, which is changing if the rumors of a $4M budget for HC and $5M budget for assistants is accurate.
 
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zappaa

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While I am making fun of the Cult of Schiano, I would be happy if he returned if he really was the best choice
Unless we get one of the names frequently discussed...Clawson, Norville, Fickell, Toledo coach etc....
My “throw the dice” guy would be Hafley.
For an AD to make that move over a guaranteed perception enhancing, attendance boosting, program builder like GS would take some huge cajones.
Sorry to inject male anatomy into the conversation.
 

Scarlet_Scourge

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May 25, 2012
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Unless we get one of the names frequently discussed...Clawson, Norville, Fickell, Toledo coach etc....
My “throw the dice” guy would be Hafley.
For an AD to make that move over a guaranteed perception enhancing, attendance boosting, program builder like GS would take some huge cajones.
Sorry to inject male anatomy into the conversation.

Seriously, we need someone that will bring in much needed HYPE and HOPE to the program. That will get the fanbase all riled up and most importantly get people to buy season tickets. That is short term. Long term we need someone who is a great closer and recruiter who can get the players we are not suppose to get to commit here (4 stars and maybe a 5 star) and has a great eye for bread and butter 3 stars. To then coach up those 3 stars to play like 4 stars. To give the program a sense of identity that we have completely lack under Flood and Ash.

There are a few people who can do all of the above, it is up to Hobbs to get one of them to come here.
 
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RUforlife

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For a guy who demands the names of 100,000's of fans, you sure depend on a lot of fairy tales. And after all these mad Schiano worshippers demand that he get an 8 year contract, they're going to set fire to the stadium, stage a revolution and revoke the first amendment so you can't complain about Schiano too right?

And Schiano is older than he was in 2001? Who isn't? Want to know some HC's older than Schiano?

Nick Saban +15
Willie Fritz +6
Steve Addazio +7
David Cutcliffe +12
Mack Brown +15
Pat Narduzzi same
Bronco Mendenhall same
Dino Babers +5
Gary Patterson +6
Lovie Smith +8
Jim Harbaugh +3
Kirk Ferentz +11
Mark Dantonio +11
Paul Chryst +1
Jeff Monken -1
Brian Kelly +5
Lance Leipold +1
Jim McElwaine +4
Jeff Tedford +5
Kevin Sumlin +2
Chip Kelly +3
Chris Peterson +2
Kyle Whittingham +7
Mike Leach +5
Gus Malzahn +1
Ed Orgeron +5
Jimbo Fisher +1
and yes Urban Meyer +2

So please stop this absurd argument that Schiano is too old.
I must have hit a nerve. LOL! Maybe he catches magic in a bottle and lives up to his previous mediocre results or maybe he doesn't and he can't restore mediocrity in his second go around. It is not a slam dunk that he can get 5-7 wins a year and a trip to the Pinstripe Bowl. Again, if after a legit search, Hobbs determines the best we can do is Schiano then I will be 100% behind him and root hard against Maryland and Indiana every year as we battle for fourth place in our division and a second tier bowl game.
 

DJ Spanky

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Rutgers is in the Big Ten and is certainly more attractive than all of the smaller programs below it.
Actually, no, it isn't. We're notoriously cheap, the administration doesn't support the program or the coaches, we've have a history going back 40 years of not doing this.
 

Scarlet_Scourge

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Actually, no, it isn't. We're notoriously cheap, the administration doesn't support the program or the coaches, we've have a history going back 40 years of not doing this.

What is in teh past is in the past. If reports that we are willing to pay 9.5 to 10 million for the next staff (including the HC) are true, then yes, no one will not be willing to jump at that kind of money. Success here and you can get a HC job pretty anywhere for any price.
 
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Jinpa88

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I admit I haven't read every Schiano related posted when I ask this... but.. to me the elephant in the room is "Does Schiano even WANT to come back to RU? " and/or "Does anyone know with any certainty that Schiano wants to coach here again?" For me, the debate starts and ends there.