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this may not go over well here, but it needs to be considered.... I doubt that Greg was at Penn state during those years and had absolutely no idea that Sandusky was a pervert..... he might have heard rumblings between other coaches, but saw nothing himself.... or, possibly saw Sandusky go off with a single boy, into a building, where it made no sense for Sandusky to do so.... just that it looked odd.

the report that Greg turned white and thought he might have seen something would be more damming....

I would hope that this is not true, and that all he ever heard, or saw, was not verifiable.
 

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Like some others, I think the PSU connection was a smoke screen to cover the real reason many are leery of him as a HC. When you consider the number of bodies laid waste by the investigation of Sandusky, I think Greg would have been right with them had there been any real proof against him.

After getting the coach of the year award for Rutgers, he was at his zenith as a candidate for just about any coaching job out there. But, his journey into the pros at Tampa Bay was an unmitigated disaster by any measure. It is one thing to lose, but it was a lot more about him as a person that emerged and it wasn't pretty. I know he was hired to clean up the mess in Tampa, but he just didn't know how to go about it.

Sadly, any other school looking either now or the well into the future is not even going to consider him now. I really think he will be getting quite a nice farewell check from Tenn.
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The irony here is that in my opinion Schiano was punished more severely than Penn State. The sanctions were a joke and PSU was affected for perhaps 2 years while Schiano May be affected for life for a hearsay allegation. I guess life is not fair sometimes!
 

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I'd suggest that Schiano's biggest problem is his resume, i.e., if Schiano had a top tier resume and these same set of facts happened, he'd still be in the running for many top jobs. Now admittedly that would never happen bc then UT would not have passed, but all those saying that Schiano will never coach again etc, IMO, this has as much to do with his resume as it does with what is going on at UT. I also believe that there will be programs that will look past all this nonsense and hire Schiano anyway. It just needs to be the right fit. I actually think the right fit for him right now would be UCF, but I'm sure he's looking higher than that.
 
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McQueary also said Bradley told him that he'd been approached by someone in the '80s who saw Sandusky "doing something to a boy" and that in the '90s, former assistant coach Schiano saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy.

"Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower," McQueary testified.
One, that’s hearsay. Two, both Bradley and Schiano denied this happened.
 

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He hasn't been hired by anyone after the Tampa Bay disaster, because he is not qualified to be a Head Coach, DCoordinator maybe, recruiter absolutely. I was hoping that he would get hired, just so he could fail one more time.
Why am I bitter? Because, after recruiting this program to respectability, he could never allow the players to play, Asst.'s to coach, and buried anyone who opposed his dictatorship. He had enough horses in the stable to not only win championships, but establish a winning tradition at Rutgers. But, come game day, he was clueless. Couldn't make halftime adjustments, or didn't know how. Refused to play players that would have helped in various situations, mostly because they didn't cow down to his almighty presence. The guy has an ego the size of Texas, and the management abilities of Billy Carter. He left Rutgers 4 years too late. And, the only thing he left us with, was a Flood.
I know many disagree, and that's your right. But, to me he is just an opportunist.
 

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Everythign NcCreary has er said in court has stood up to the juries. Saying that he thew in one made up story which implicates Schiano is ridiculous.
The people who are backing the pedophile enabler Schiano are doing the same thing the cult has done on the Penn State /Paterno side.
 

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Everythign NcCreary has er said in court has stood up to the juries. Saying that he thew in one made up story which implicates Schiano is ridiculous.
The people who are backing the pedophile enabler Schiano are doing the same thing the cult has done on the Penn State /Paterno side.
True, it has stood up but implicating someone needs more than hearsay
 
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True, it has stood up but implicating someone needs more than hearsay

I don't seen agree with calling the allegation "hearsay". It would be hearsay if Mike McQueary actually heard that from Tom Bradley.

But Tom Bradley says he never said that. So that makes it a story that Mike McQueary told in order to further his case against Penn State that rendered a judgement for over $7M dollars. A story that has been discredited. A story, that if there was an ounce of truth to it, would have found some corroboration by now.

And as I have pointed out in other threads.. there is a single victim saying there was a single rape in Penn State's lockeroom during the time Schiano was a coach. That victim says all other rapes occurred in Sandusky's home. And we know from McQueary's encounter in that lockerroom in 2002 that Sandusky was there well after-hours and it was pure chance that McQueary decided to go back to the lockerroom that night.

So, really.. what chance was there that Schiano saw anything?

We know Bradley says that story is a false narrative. We know Sandusky worked to hide is crimes by doing them late at night when no one was around. We know the McQueary was rewarded for not reporting it further than Joe Paterno.. and we know the year after Schiano's only chance to have seen Sandusky's heinous crime that Schiano was off to Chicago.

The odds that this story that McQueary told is true is next to ZERO. Think about it.. Schiano was supposed to have gone into Bradley's office "white as a ghost" after seeing Sandusky in the shower with a kid? Sooo.. Sandusky knows that Bradley and Schiano are in the facilities and he goes ahead with the rape? And then you have to believe that Greg Schiano saw it and did nothing.

Come on people.. the only thing that makes sense here is that McQueary made up a story to support his case that resulted in a gain of millions of dollars. And that is why McQueary did not tell this story to anyone until he was suing Penn State.
 

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I don't seen agree with calling the allegation "hearsay". It would be hearsay if Mike McQueary actually heard that from Tom Bradley.

But Tom Bradley says he never said that. So that makes it a story that Mike McQueary told in order to further his case against Penn State that rendered a judgement for over $7M dollars. A story that has been discredited. A story, that if there was an ounce of truth to it, would have found some corroboration by now.

And as I have pointed out in other threads.. there is a single victim saying there was a single rape in Penn State's lockeroom during the time Schiano was a coach. That victim says all other rapes occurred in Sandusky's home. And we know from McQueary's encounter in that lockerroom in 2002 that Sandusky was there well after-hours and it was pure chance that McQueary decided to go back to the lockerroom that night.

So, really.. what chance was there that Schiano saw anything?

We know Bradley says that story is a false narrative. We know Sandusky worked to hide is crimes by doing them late at night when no one was around. We know the McQueary was rewarded for not reporting it further than Joe Paterno.. and we know the year after Schiano's only chance to have seen Sandusky's heinous crime that Schiano was off to Chicago.

The odds that this story that McQueary told is true is next to ZERO. Think about it.. Schiano was supposed to have gone into Bradley's office "white as a ghost" after seeing Sandusky in the shower with a kid? Sooo.. Sandusky knows that Bradley and Schiano are in the facilities and he goes ahead with the rape? And then you have to believe that Greg Schiano saw it and did nothing.

Come on people.. the only thing that makes sense here is that McQueary made up a story to support his case that resulted in a gain of millions of dollars. And that is why McQueary did not tell this story to anyone until he was suing Penn State.
What if Bradley is lying? it's not like everybody did not want this to go away as fast as possible
 

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What if he never saw anything first-hand, but because he was part of the program and working with Sandusky at the time, he knew / heard about allegations and just kept his mouth shut? Wasn't there 6 to 9 months of posts on this board making the exact same argument about JoPa? It's incredible how hypocritical some of you are re: the cult comments.
 
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What if Bradley is lying? it's not like everybody did not want this to go away as fast as possible

Well.. that's why you go back to see what he could be lying about.

Victim 6 and 7 were first contacted by Sandusky in 1994 and 1995 thru Sandusky's Second Mile "charity" while Schiano was there. One of those reports a shower incident, afaik.

The victims have had settlements of millions of dollars. I would hope that was enough to draw them forward to report what happened to them. The end result was one victim in the lockerroom shower during Schiano's years at Penn State. And Sandusky did these acts using his key to the lockerroom, in the evening when no one would be around and he did this in the off-season. Otherwise he used his home mostly.. and his car.

We know the shower use thing from testimony of McQueary about the event he saw and Penn State admin's emails to McQueary handling him telling him that they took away Sandusky's key to the lockerrooms.

And McQueary's story says Bradley told him that Schiano walked in "white as a ghost" from something he had just seen... so.. we have to believe that

A) both Bradley and Schiano were in the building at night
B) Sandusky decided to go through with the rape despite coaches being in the building
C) That Schiano saw this.. and did not stop it or say anything to Sandusky
D) That Schiano "turned white as a ghost and ran to Bradley's office" to report this...
E) That Bradley and Schiano instantly agreed to both let it drop and never speak of it again
F) But Bradley then decided to tell McQueary about it more than a decade later
G) That McQueary failed to remember this when any law enforcement people or Louis Freeh's investigation or Penn State administrators spoke to him about the 2001 shower rape.. but suddenly remembered it when it would help his lawsuit for millions of dollars in 2016.

Think about the chain of possibilities there that all have to be true to make Mike McQueary's story true.

Now tell me honestly.. what is the possibility that Bradley is lying? Why would Bradley lie about telling McQueary that story when all he had to do was NOT TELL MCQUEARY THAT STORY.

Really.. the people that want to believe that McQueary is telling the truth with that story and that Bradley and Schiano are lying are just working too hard to paint Schiano as a bad guy in this.

We know who the bad guys are in this whole story... Sandusky.. and JoePA (and Penn State admins) and McQueary.. who let it drop for over a decode because he was given a paid assistants job... and SANDUSKYS WIFE. His kids were victims too.. so they don't count. Add in any adults who heard the children's complaints and did nothing.. and the janitor and his manager who we reported a 2000 incident to.. McQueary gets partial credit for helping create the paper trail that allowed us to see the scope of the cover-up. But he became part of it.

And McQueary was proven a liar for saying that he reported the incident to police as well as JoePA... there is absolutely no record of that... so why should McQueary be believed about anything that seems designed to lessen his guilt and shame?
 
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What is the timeline over lap again
I answered in detail above.. but as far as official testimony and the timelines.. there was one incident in the showers as told by a victim Sandusky met in 1995.

We actually have no idea when that event occurred.. it was called a "hazy memory" well over a decade later. In fact, McQueary;s memory of the event he witnessed was off by a year in his initial timeline.. but now is known to have been in 2001. deadspin's timeline still says March 2002.. the NYT has it at February of 2001.. I would think the email trail has it pegged for the 2001 date.

February... March... the off-season when coaches are unlikely to be in the facility at night. And unlikely to result in Greg Schiano seeing something and then hurrying over to another coaches office "white as a ghost".

Could it be that in 1994 or 1995.. Schiano's last years at Penn State.. that Sandusky would have used the showers in that way while coaches were at the facilities? Well, we do not know when this "hazy memory" shower event happened... we don't even know what year. I don't doubt that it did.. Sandusky was caught doing it there twice and testimony talked of many many more events in his car and home.

But all the facts add up to it being extremely unlikely that McQueary's story is true. It is, imo, a total fabrication to enhance his position in his lawsuit against Penn State,
 
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Thanks good
You are welcome. I really had hoped to never think of these events again.. other than when Penn State fans overstep here on this board being all "culty".

But this railroading of GS is disgusting.. and does not speak well for the future.

“Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else.”
George Orwell, 1984
I prefer Orwells "every record.....
 

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They can be sued for defamation. If Schiano hasn’t been implicated, he should not suffer.
 

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Hell, if I was the AD at Arkansas I would hire Schiano. I saw what he did at Rutgers. The guy can flat out coach!
build a program.... a big yes...great game day coach not so much....and to his credit building this landfill of a program......helped him get noticed for the mich
, and miami job...tampa was his ruination, but hey ,offers like that come once in a lifetime....some coordinators dont make good head coaches...ala norvel turner
 

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I'd suggest that Schiano's biggest problem is his resume, i.e., if Schiano had a top tier resume and these same set of facts happened, he'd still be in the running for many top jobs. Now admittedly that would never happen bc then UT would not have passed, but all those saying that Schiano will never coach again etc, IMO, this has as much to do with his resume as it does with what is going on at UT. I also believe that there will be programs that will look past all this nonsense and hire Schiano anyway. It just needs to be the right fit. I actually think the right fit for him right now would be UCF, but I'm sure he's looking higher than that.
doesn't this damage his character....i say sue............they may have payed him off already...hope so
 

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I don't think Schiano distinguished himself enough at RU to solidify his credentials at top tier school who thinks they can contend for the national Championship. He brought Rutgers up from the depths and was fairly good with in-state recruiting ("building the wall"). However he never won the Big East/AAC? and lost some bad games (read that Cincinnati) even with a top team.

Schiano's tenure with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was a disaster. Schiano has a reputation (unfounded?) for micromanaging and not getting along witth assistant coaches.
Agree and spot on
 
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McQueary also said Bradley told him that he'd been approached by someone in the '80s who saw Sandusky "doing something to a boy" and that in the '90s, former assistant coach Schiano saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy.

"Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower," McQueary testified.
 

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McQueary also said Bradley told him that he'd been approached by someone in the '80s who saw Sandusky "doing something to a boy" and that in the '90s, former assistant coach Schiano saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy.

"Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower," McQueary testified.


As I said above:


And McQueary's story says Bradley told him that Schiano walked in "white as a ghost" from something he had just seen... so.. we have to believe that

A) both Bradley and Schiano were in the building at night
B) Sandusky decided to go through with the rape despite coaches being in the building
C) That Schiano saw this.. and did not stop it or say anything to Sandusky
D) That Schiano "turned white as a ghost and ran to Bradley's office" to report this...
E) That Bradley and Schiano instantly agreed to both let it drop and never speak of it again
F) But Bradley then decided to tell McQueary about it more than a decade later
G) That McQueary failed to remember this in 2010 when any law enforcement people or Louis Freeh's investigation or Penn State administrators spoke to him about the 2001 shower rape.. but suddenly remembered it when it would help his lawsuit for millions of dollars in 2016.

Think about the chain of possibilities there that ALL have to be true to make Mike McQueary's story true.

Now tell me honestly.. what is the possibility that Bradley is lying? Why would Bradley lie about telling McQueary that story when all he had to do was NOT TELL MCQUEARY THAT STORY.

That story is a fabrication by McQueary. Law enforcement obviously agreed because they did not think enough about it to pursue it.
 

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Like some others, I think the PSU connection was a smoke screen to cover the real reason many are leery of him as a HC. When you consider the number of bodies laid waste by the investigation of Sandusky, I think Greg would have been right with them had there been any real proof against him.

After getting the coach of the year award for Rutgers, he was at his zenith as a candidate for just about any coaching job out there. But, his journey into the pros at Tampa Bay was an unmitigated disaster by any measure. It is one thing to lose, but it was a lot more about him as a person that emerged and it wasn't pretty. I know he was hired to clean up the mess in Tampa, but he just didn't know how to go about it.

Sadly, any other school looking either now or the well into the future is not even going to consider him now. I really think he will be getting quite a nice farewell check from Tenn.
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Meh, Tennessee is obviously a bunch of primodonna living garbage, but don't think it sunk Gary 4ever. That's like a top 10 job (or was, lulz), he'll be alright.
 

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Some people might just think his achievements as head coach are just too mediocre but it seems like others object to the idea of a defensive coordinator from a major program taking over. They think they should be stealing a HEAD COACH from another major program and nothing less. They don't realize they're not at the top of the food chain.

You'd think it'da clicked when Lane Kiffen put his bag down in his office, took a leak and hopped a plane to USC. But apparently not. Meth is a powerful drug.
 
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I'm sorry but I am in the camp that the guy cannot coach ...he's a builder and a recruiter but he cannot coach....ie. there's not a thing that shows me he's a good in game manager other than his time in Ohio State and even that's debatable
The guy hasn't been a college head coach in 6 years. Honestly curious if he's destined to be better or worse when he lands his next gig.
 

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As a HC, I always thought Greg was was more or less just average (not bad but not great).

It seemed to me that Rutgers (BE) schedule was packed with many easy OOC ( sometimes 4 out of 5) games which allowed Greg to fatten his win column.

His stint in the NFL was just terrible and he was let go.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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Easy OOC, hell Bill Synder built Kansas State playing a lot of cupcakes. Schiano also got academic support to RU which was a joke before he got there. And also we played Navy and anyone who thinks Navy is easy has rocks in their head.
 
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a list of coaches who Schiano beat..

At Rutgers (not the full list)

Paul Johnson (at Navy now at GTech)
Mark Dantonio (Cinci.. now at Michigan State)
Dave Wanstadt (at Pitt)
Greg Robinson (Syracuse, formerly of USC)
Randy Edsall (at UCONN)
Ron Zook
Frank Solich
Jim Leavitt
Bobby Petrino
Ron Prince (KState and his OC James Franklin)
Brady Hoke (at Ball State)
Tom OBrien (NC State)
Mario Cristobal
Ralph Friedgen
Steve Kragthorpe
George OLeary
Doug Marone
Ken Niumatalolo
Skip Holtz
Butch Jones
Paul Rhodes

At Tampa Bay

Ron Rivera
Romeo Crennel
Doug Marrone (again)
The rest of the names I did not really recognize

A bunch of these guys are still employed as head coaches, some at bigger name teams

Notably, Schiano was 0-3 or 4 vs Brian Kelly at Cinci. Some coaches know exactly how to punish his aggressive D.
 

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a list of coaches who Schiano beat..


Notably, Schiano was 0-3 or 4 vs Brian Kelly at Cinci. Some coaches know exactly how to punish his aggressive D.

0-3

2009 was UC sugar bowl year (and was a blow-out)..... but the prior two meetings, UC won by a total of 8 points (5+3)....not exactly punishment........

cinci beat us a lot... but Kelly wasn't special.... Butch Jones was probably as good or better and look how well he's done.... oh, wait....
 

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Why didn't gs sue when he heard his name dragged through mud like that
That happens fairly often.. probably sought advice.. here is the main reason not to sue..

1) it keeps McQueary's "story" refreshed.. every time there is a court date.. new stories and the allegation gets repeated.

The allegation was made in 2016 when GS just got the job with Ohio State.. which is itself a stepping stone to return to head coaching. Ohio State has said they had lawyers ready to go for GS if he were to be questioned by investigators about this allegation.. but that never happened.. so Ohio State was probably advising him to just let it drop.

Of course, we know now those wonderful down-home Tennessee fans used it.. Rutgers fans are using it against him in these threads.. so he probably should have sued and probably should sue everyone's *** off right now.
 

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Destroy his character? Doesn't blowing off recruits waiting for him without even telling them he's not coming say something about his character?
 

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Destroy his character? Doesn't blowing off recruits waiting for him without even telling them he's not coming say something about his character?

This board never disappoints! Just when you think you have seen the stupidest post someone else steps up and proves they can be more stupid!
 

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This board never disappoints! Just when you think you have seen the stupidest post someone else steps up and proves they can be more stupid!
Agreed.. as many have pointed out.. the NFL season runs longer than the NCAA.. if an NFL head coach spot opens up and is offered to a college coach.. he will undoubtedly be in recruiting season.. of course there is now an early signing period.. I think. So this might be avoided in the future (to be replaced with complaints how a coach left right after signing recruits).
 

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I don't think Schiano distinguished himself enough at RU to solidify his credentials at top tier school who thinks they can contend for the national Championship. He brought Rutgers up from the depths and was fairly good with in-state recruiting ("building the wall"). However he never won the Big East/AAC? and lost some bad games (read that Cincinnati) even with a top team.

Schiano's tenure with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was a disaster. Schiano has a reputation (unfounded?) for micromanaging and not getting along with assistant coaches.

If you remove Schiano's name and talk about a coach who was the defensive coordinators for two different Top 6 teams, had a 49-28 run as a head coach (including leading a school who had been to one bowl game to 6 in 7 years) and was an NFL head coach, I think many schools would be interested.

Schiano's reputation was sullied in Tampa Bay, but many of the best college coaches did poorly to horribly in the pros (Saban was under .500, Spurrier was .375, and Holtz was awful .214) -- I realize people think he caused bad blood among the locker room, but he was hardly the worst coach in the world.

In fact, Schiano's .344 winning percentage is not much lower than then .354 of Raheem Morris before him and was better than the .250 of the guy who followed him (Lovie Smith) -- people seem to forget that Tampa was a wreck before Greg and was a wreck after him.

Obviously, Tennessee fans saw the Penn State accusation as a way to say they didn't want Schiano. What killed me was hearing from TN fans who said "Schiano did horribly at Rutgers". I know there are many folks here who thought he should have done better but Schiano did a good job bringing Rutgers back into the conversation as opposed to the worst five list each week on Espn.
 

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I don't seen agree with calling the allegation "hearsay". It would be hearsay if Mike McQueary actually heard that from Tom Bradley.

But Tom Bradley says he never said that. So that makes it a story that Mike McQueary told in order to further his case against Penn State that rendered a judgement for over $7M dollars. A story that has been discredited. A story, that if there was an ounce of truth to it, would have found some corroboration by now.

And as I have pointed out in other threads.. there is a single victim saying there was a single rape in Penn State's lockeroom during the time Schiano was a coach. That victim says all other rapes occurred in Sandusky's home. And we know from McQueary's encounter in that lockerroom in 2002 that Sandusky was there well after-hours and it was pure chance that McQueary decided to go back to the lockerroom that night.

So, really.. what chance was there that Schiano saw anything?

We know Bradley says that story is a false narrative. We know Sandusky worked to hide is crimes by doing them late at night when no one was around. We know the McQueary was rewarded for not reporting it further than Joe Paterno.. and we know the year after Schiano's only chance to have seen Sandusky's heinous crime that Schiano was off to Chicago.

The odds that this story that McQueary told is true is next to ZERO. Think about it.. Schiano was supposed to have gone into Bradley's office "white as a ghost" after seeing Sandusky in the shower with a kid? Sooo.. Sandusky knows that Bradley and Schiano are in the facilities and he goes ahead with the rape? And then you have to believe that Greg Schiano saw it and did nothing.

Come on people.. the only thing that makes sense here is that McQueary made up a story to support his case that resulted in a gain of millions of dollars. And that is why McQueary did not tell this story to anyone until he was suing Penn State.
Ok, if the story is made up why didn’t TB sue him. Also u say that Snduskybeas doing his deeds late at night, i disagree. He was pulling kids out of school, taking them to practice, taking them on bowl trips and also bringing kids home n campus late at night. Come on man if u see all this ****, you don’t think man something isn’t right here. I said it before and I will say it again, they all knew. Joe Pa, coaches, players, administration and the DA (Ray Gricar) who for some odd reason disappeared in 2005. Man I lived in PA when the story broke and couldn’t believe how many intelligent people wouldn’t or should I say couldn’t blame Joe Pa. Now I am seeing some of the same thing on the board when it comes to GS. A man that is know to control every aspect of his program and now u want me to believe that in his 5 years at State Penn working for child molester that he did not see anything. Let me get off my soapbox but I will leave you with this, somebody conscious will get to them and a book will be written that will name names and blow the lid off of Happy Valley.
 
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It's ironic that one of our top players ever and one of our top coaches ever may both be banished from employment in this sport for non football related reasons. $$$$
 

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Ok, if the story is made up why didn’t TB sue him. Also u say that Snduskybeas doing his deeds late at night, i disagree. He was pulling kids out of school, taking them to practice, taking them on bowl trips and also bringing kids home n campus late at night. Come on man if u see all this ****, you don’t think man something isn’t right here. I said it before and I will say it again, they all knew. Joe Pa, coaches, players, administration and the DA (Ray Gricar) who for some odd reason disappeared in 2005. Man I lived in PA when the story broke and couldn’t believe how many intelligent people wouldn’t or should I say couldn’t blame Joe Pa. Now I am seeing some of the same thing on the board when it comes to GS. A man that is know to control every aspect of his program and now u want me to believe that in his 5 years at State Penn working for child molester that he did not see anything. Let me get off my soapbox but I will leave you with this, somebody conscious will get to them and a book will be written that will name names and blow the lid off of Happy Valley.

So if this was so common.. Penn State has, what, maybe 150 people involved daily in their football program? And during all the years Sandusky worked there maybe 500 football players and student managers churned through the program.. Where are the other people who said they know someone who said something about it? Why did it last until Mike McQueary to see something and say something to JoePA? Why are there no records of anyone else seeing something? Why did Sandusky hide his crimes with late night visits to those showers if it was something known that he did and ignored by so many?

You nicely IGNORE all the actual factual data we have about what Sandusky did. You have millions of dollars waiting for actual victims to tell their stories and maybe ONE VICTIM says something happened in the lockerroom when Schiano was still at Penn State. ONE. Same victim says Sandusky abused him in the Sandusky home 5 times and in the car driving him home many times.

You ask why Bradley did not sue him.. same reason Schiano did not.. because the story was told in deposition and only came out later and a calculation is made.. is it worth it to sue? Many people who ARE GUILTY sue but usually it is a counter-suit and used to drive down the settlement that will quiet things down.

Do you see any victims suing Bradley and Schiano for knowing but doing nothing?

Do you see victims naming other Penn State people who knew and did nothing? It is limited to the ones in the administration. They knew.. they heard rumors. The first of which began with that bowl game in the late 90s.. after which Sandusky retired. But they knew about the McQueary sighted incident and did nothing.

That late nineties bowl game thing and complaint by a mother is where you have your first real "evidence" of inaction by Penn State.. and it is circumstantial. That is.. Penn STates "handling" of Sandusky provides circumstantial evidence as to their knowing or suspecting something... you do not see 50-something SUCCESSFUL DCs retiring for no reason. Yet Sandusky retired.. was granted emeritus status and NEVER GOT A JOB OFFER FROM ANOTHER PROGRAM.

Right there you know something was fishy. Something stunk.

But there is ZERO evidence that Schiano or anyone else saw anything back in mid 90s and prior. All you have is this story by McQueary and he had lots of incentive to make that story up.

Why would Bradley tell McQueary that story and ONLY McQueary?

Doesn't make sense.

Why would Bradley DENY telling that story to McQueary when all he had to do was NOT tell him the story in the first place?

I am sure you had a visceral feeling of disgust when you first heard about Sandusky's rapes. You probably thought.. how could McQueary SEE THAT.. and then do NOTHING right then, right there, in that lockerroom? Why did he go home and talk to his dad and then call JoePA to go talk to him the next day?

How could any MAN stand by and let that happen?

I give Schiano and Bradley the benefit of the doubt over Mike McQueary. I give 99% of the human race the benefit of the doubt that had they seen something they would have done something about it right then and there.

But for some reason.. you want to believe Mike McQueary, who probably hates himself every time he looks in the mirror.. knowing what he did with his inaction. He allowed Sandusky to continue his victimization of children. He got his access to the lockerrooms pulled.. that's it. And then he made up a story to share the guilt.

Butthere is nothing, zero, nada.. in Greg Schiano's history before or since to indicate he might be tolerant of seeing something like this. In McQueary's case.. you have his actions. You know he was happy to allow JoePA and PSU call it "horsing around" as long as he got that paid assistants job.

And you want to take his word over Schiano's and Bradley's? Shame on you.