Schiano perception

[RUich]

Like some others, I think the PSU connection was a smoke screen to cover the real reason many are leery of him as a HC. When you consider the number of bodies laid waste by the investigation of Sandusky, I think Greg would have been right with them had there been any real proof against him.

After getting the coach of the year award for Rutgers, he was at his zenith as a candidate for just about any coaching job out there. But, his journey into the pros at Tampa Bay was an unmitigated disaster by any measure. It is one thing to lose, but it was a lot more about him as a person that emerged and it wasn't pretty. I know he was hired to clean up the mess in Tampa, but he just didn't know how to go about it.

Sadly, any other school looking either now or the well into the future is not even going to consider him now. I really think he will be getting quite a nice farewell check from Tenn.[/QUOTE]

 

[BlockR]

Kirk Herbstreit Retweeted Dan Wetzel

Recommend you take the time to read this before you attempt to destroy a mans character and reputation. You comfortable with what you alleged today? You know for a FACT what you accused Schiano of is 100% accurate?? Give this a read.

Kirk Herbstreit added,

Dan WetzelVerified account@DanWetzel
An old, random, nonspecific, (disputed) hearsay allegation took down Greg Schiano/Tennessee. Proof? Evidence? Corroboration? There is none. https://sports.yahoo.com/tennessee-...schianos-reputation-mob-anger-015951492.html…
1,067 replies2,071 retweets7,020 likes

 

[wheezer]

I suspect that this episode with Tenn. will poison chances of
Greg getting any high profile job now...... the Tenn. fans just did not
think he was a good enough, high profile enough candidate...and used the Penn state thing as an excuse.

It might be that Greg will have to lower his goals, for now.

 

[MORRISCOUNTY]

Wheezer:

You are 100% correct. The Tenn fans did not like the hire so therefor destroy the man's reputation and destroy his family through lies and guilty till proven innocent garbage. This seems to be the environment that about half the country approves of. Pathetic.

 

[albanyknight]

I suspect that this episode with Tenn. will poison chances of
Greg getting any high profile job now...... the Tenn. fans just did not
think he was a good enough, high profile enough candidate...and used the Penn state thing as an excuse.

It might be that Greg will have to lower his goals, for now.

I think it is going to have the opposite effect. Some school that is still not fighting the Civil War and does its proper due diligence, will give Tennessee a single finger salute, grow a pair and hire him.

 

[RUisB1Gtime]

Schiano needs a lower tier p5 school to prove himself....Arizona state is a good fit

 

[wheezer]

I think it is going to have the opposite effect. Some school that is still not fighting the Civil War and does its proper due diligence, will give Tennessee a single finger salute, grow a pair and hire him.

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that would be nice.

 

[MADHAT1]

It is funny that the proof that Paterno was guilty is now hearsay.[/QUOTE]
Joe "the Enabler" Paterno admitted he was told.
That isn't hearsay
More than one victim said they told Paterno and that was part of the lawsuit records between Penn St's insurer and the school. That isn't someone saying that someone said something to someone that told them something was said.
A piece of circumstantial evidence pointed to Paterno
being part or knowing about the coverup in an e-mail stating :"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
That was discussing turning Sandusky in to Child Welfare..

So Paterno's alleged guilt might have been proven if he had lived and brought to trile with the unholy PSU 3.

As for Schiano, what was alleged doesn't have any collaborating proof or even a rumor of anything else he knew added on to give it some credence
Paterno had more than needed and alot came out after Sandusky's trial when Penn St started fighting it's insurance company over who must pay the bulk owed Sandusky's victims.

 

[Extra Point_rivals157299]

I would have not guessed that reason for not going through with the hire in a zillion years! I too think that it was used as an excuse to undo the deal because they want a higher profile coach.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Schiano needs a lower tier p5 school to prove himself....Arizona state is a good fit

Except ASU is not looking in his direction. It would surprise many who they are looking at to some degree..

 

[kapyoche]

Tennessee will not hire anyone whose last name ends in a vowel.

 

[Southern Gentleman]

Hell, if I was the AD at Arkansas I would hire Schiano. I saw what he did at Rutgers. The guy can flat out coach!

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

Tennessee will not hire anyone whose last name ends in a vowel.

Brady Hoke?

 

[BIGTENITCH]

I don't think Schiano distinguished himself enough at RU to solidify his credentials at top tier school who thinks they can contend for the national Championship. He brought Rutgers up from the depths and was fairly good with in-state recruiting ("building the wall"). However he never won the Big East/AAC? and lost some bad games (read that Cincinnati) even with a top team.

Schiano's tenure with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was a disaster. Schiano has a reputation (unfounded?) for micromanaging and not getting along witth assistant coaches.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Except ASU is not looking in his direction. It would surprise many who they are looking at to some degree..

Who's surprising? I've mentioned the names reported here before. Sumlin, Teryl Austin, Pep Hamilton, Derek Mason.

 

[RUfubar_rivals]

Hell, if I was the AD at Arkansas I would hire Schiano. I saw what he did at Rutgers. The guy can flat out coach!

I'm sorry but I am in the camp that the guy cannot coach ...he's a builder and a recruiter but he cannot coach....ie. there's not a thing that shows me he's a good in game manager other than his time in Ohio State and even that's debatable

 

[JRZEER]

I suspect that this episode with Tenn. will poison chances of
Greg getting any high profile job now...... the Tenn. fans just did not
think he was a good enough, high profile enough candidate...and used the Penn state thing as an excuse.

It might be that Greg will have to lower his goals, for now.

His coaching career is pretty much over as far as HC at a major program.

 

[RUScrew85]

I think it is going to have the opposite effect. Some school that is still not fighting the Civil War and does its proper due diligence, will give Tennessee a single finger salute, grow a pair and hire him.

How does the civil war figure in? Just curious...

 

[Rufaninga]

I'm sorry but I am in the camp that the guy cannot coach ...he's a builder and a recruiter but he cannot coach....ie. there's not a thing that shows me he's a good in game manager other than his time in Ohio State and even that's debatable

the guy can coach defense and special teams.
Granted spread was his kryptonite, but the guy can coach. I wish he made more in game adjustments, but it was his 1st head coaching gig. Think tank Tampa was a bust? They have been brutal since then and when he was there he had No QB.

 

[MADHAT1]

I'm sorry but I am in the camp that the guy cannot coach ...he's a builder and a recruiter but he cannot coach....ie. there's not a thing that shows me he's a good in game manager other than his time in Ohio State and even that's debatable

an honest opinion and a good reason to oppose Schiano being hired if you're a Tenn fan.
But what they used to fight his hire was disgusting and
not the right way to do it.
I like Schiano, but I couldn't see him succeeding as the Vols HC . Unless they had discipline problems behind the scenes that needed to be addressed ASAP , Greg seemed (to me) a poor fit at Tenn.

 

[shields]

Tampa Bay=Josh Freeman. Yuck.

 

[RUSK97]

I'm sorry but I am in the camp that the guy cannot coach ...he's a builder and a recruiter but he cannot coach....ie. there's not a thing that shows me he's a good in game manager other than his time in Ohio State and even that's debatable

Eh - his defense as Miami DC was pretty nasty.

 

[RUDead]

Hell, if I was the AD at Arkansas I would hire Schiano. I saw what he did at Rutgers. The guy can flat out coach!

I think he would be a good fit there. His defenses play fast and tough. Razorback fans would grow to like him. Arkansas might also be the only place outside of NJ that holds Rutgers in high regard [cheers]

 

[THERAC]

Schiano needs a lower tier p5 school to prove himself....Arizona state is a good fit

At this point Tennessee is a lower tier school. Keep in mind since 2008 Tennessee has had 6 losing seasons. Any kid that is going through the recruiting process today was 6 or 7 years old in 2008.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Tennessee wanted a "name". They thought it was Gruden No dice. Face it but Schiano is not a "name". From an outsider's point of view (a la Tennessee); he's a has-been who couldn't cut it at Tampa and was an eh-eh coach at Rutgers.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Tennessee wanted a "name". They thought it was Gruden No dice. Face it but Schiano is not a "name". From an outsider's point of view (a la Tennessee); he's a has-been who couldn't cut it at Tampa and was an eh-eh coach at Rutgers.

This may very well be true, but the Tennessee fanbase wasn't criticizing Schiano's mediocrity as a coach. Their protest was based on an allegation for which there is no proof.

 

[BigEastPhil]

This may very well be true, but the Tennessee fanbase wasn't criticizing Schiano's mediocrity as a coach. Their protest was based on an allegation for which there is no proof.

The whole Sandusky matter is an excuse to cover up the perceived "mediocrity" of Schiano though I'm sure many truly are convicted in this matter. Truth be told, if I was the Tenn AD - and excluding the Sandusky matter- I would have stayed away from Schiano as Tennessee is looking for instant glorification via an "A" HC and Schiano is not that type of HC.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Jagoffs in orange had wet dreams of John Gruden actually wanting to be there and got their sphincters in a wad when they finally realized what everyone else already knew (he was never coming)......

Bunch of losers who think they won, but actually set the program back years.

Screw ‘em.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

The whole Sandusky matter is an excuse to cover up the perceived "mediocrity" of Schiano though I'm sure many truly are convicted in this matter. Truth be told, if I was the Tenn AD - and excluding the Sandusky matter- I would have stayed away from Schiano as Tennessee is looking for instant glorification via an "A" HC and Schiano is not that type of HC.

Why would they need an excuse? They could have been just as vociferous in their criticism without accusing him of enabling child molestation without any proof.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

McQueary also said Bradley told him that he'd been approached by someone in the '80s who saw Sandusky "doing something to a boy" and that in the '90s, former assistant coach Schiano saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy.

"Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower," McQueary testified.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Why would they need an excuse? They could have been just as vociferous in their criticism without accusing him of enabling child molestation without any proof.

Protesting their perceptions of Schiano's HC Abilities would not have been sufficient to terminate the M.O.U. In the grand scheme of things, who needs proof of anything these days? Follow Politics and all the witchhunts that occur- many with and many without merit. Fake News!

 

[scarletrat]

scary and appalling what happened, no matter how you feel GS is as a coach. mob mentality via social media, including politicians with nothing else better to do, did this...and may have soiled his rep...that is the biggest potential harm, and sad that this can happen...I suppose not surprising...and yes, all a smoke screen as they feel they are Alabama starting with the letter "T"...

I am personally in the camp that GS would be better than Butch, who rode coattails at Cincy to get to UT...

Not a disaster he took the TB job...from a RU POV yes, as that is why we didn't win the BE and go to the BCS in 2012 as it was set up for us...but he surrounded himself with his college assistants...and apparently went in as a college coach would...

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Tennessee wanted a "name". They thought it was Gruden No dice. Face it but Schiano is not a "name". From an outsider's point of view (a la Tennessee); he's a has-been who couldn't cut it at Tampa and was an eh-eh coach at Rutgers.

I think this is true. We see enough of this attitude among the fans on this board.. they always want to spend big money for a big name... and they want to spend other peoples money to do it.

I can only imagine at a place like Tennessee it is worse... much worse.

What those Vol fans did is disgusting.. I'd like to say that karma will respond in kind.. but how much worse can it get for them? Idiots. I bet there is a sizable group of fans there that are disgusted by all of this.. but I haven't seen any links to those comments yet.

 

[newwavedave1]

I really don't care about anything to do with the employment of any of our ex coaches.

 

[MADHAT1]

McQueary also said Bradley told him that he'd been approached by someone in the '80s who saw Sandusky "doing something to a boy" and that in the '90s, former assistant coach Schiano saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy.

"Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower," McQueary testified.

doing something ? not saying what was happening .
Here's the whole statement: >
Q: And did he give you any details about what Coach Schiano had reported to him?

A: No, only that he had—I can’t remember if it was one night or one morning, but that Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower. And that’s it. That’s all he ever told me.<Not remembering night or morning and statement made years after the discussion could be adding to or subtracting fromeverything that was said.
Once you don't remember one part of the conversation makes you wonder about other parts.
Especially since Schiano never was brought in front of the Grand Jury or testified against Sandusky at Sandusky's trial.
Seems strange Greg wasn't asked in either cases to appear and tell what turned him white as a ghost.
Maybe to the authorities McQueary wasn't as sure when questioned more about it as when he first remembered that conversation

 

[brgRC90]

Some people might just think his achievements as head coach are just too mediocre but it seems like others object to the idea of a defensive coordinator from a major program taking over. They think they should be stealing a HEAD COACH from another major program and nothing less. They don't realize they're not at the top of the food chain.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

doing something ? not saying what was happening .
Here's the whole statement: >
Q: And did he give you any details about what Coach Schiano had reported to him?

A: No, only that he had—I can’t remember if it was one night or one morning, but that Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower. And that’s it. That’s all he ever told me.<Not remembering night or morning and statement made years after the discussion could be adding to or subtracting fromeverything that was said.
Once you don't remember one part of the conversation makes you wonder about other parts.
Especially since Schiano never was brought in front of the Grand Jury or testified against Sandusky at Sandusky's trial.
Seems strange Greg wasn't asked in either cases to appear and tell what turned him white as a ghost.
Maybe to the authorities McQueary wasn't as sure when questioned more about it as when he first remembered that conversation

Not the full quote from the article I quoted. How very Penn State of you.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

Full article link from my qujote to correct Madhat's disinformation attempt.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...es-joe-paterno-knew-jerry-sandusky-abuse-1976

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Our board has become the psu board

 

[wheezer]

I'm sorry but I am in the camp that the guy cannot coach ...he's a builder and a recruiter but he cannot coach....ie. there's not a thing that shows me he's a good in game manager other than his time in Ohio State and even that's debatable

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so, what Greg can do, providing he gets a big job with a big
budget, is hire the very best OC and DC he possibly can, and
go along with most of the plays and suggestions they provide.

moreso on the offensive side..... many have thought that Franklin cannot coach either, but he has a decent staff and that can cover
a lot....