Sarr to UK

mebeblue2

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In terms of getting Wake Forest to support this, John Currie is the key, not the new coach. If Currie is on board, Forbes’ opinion isn’t that relevant.

If UK is being smart about this, then they should be working with Wake Forest directly right now to gain alignment. They need to do that BEFORE they submit the request to the NCAA.

unless there is some bad blood i would assume most of the time they work together
the school you fight today may be the school you are looking to hire you in the future
no intelligent person burns bridges unless out of necessity
 
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It was worth the wait. Haarms who? We got an instant Sarr. This guy takes our team to the next level. It's like getting Nick back. I know we aren't in the clear yet so I hope the coaching staff is still going after guys hard because we need at least 11 for next year.

As far as the NCAA goes that's scary, but times are changing quickly and Wake did screw this kid over by telling him to not put his name in the NBA draft and then firing his coach a few days later. I hope UK focuses on that and makes a big *** deal about it because it's a bad look and I would think Wake wouldn't want it dragged through the mud. Call it Karma, but we are owed one after Kanter.
 

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unless there is some bad blood i would assume most of the time they work together
the school you fight today may be the school you are looking to hire you in the future
no intelligent person burns bridges unless out of necessity

Sometimes you can run into challenges simply because people are busy and it’s hard to get time with them, so it’s not always about bad blood if a school doesn’t cooperate.

There are at least two things though that should at least get us a phone conversation with Currie.
  1. Currie was AD at Tennessee for one year in 2017. That’s the same year Barnhart was made chair of the SEC ADs, so they’ve worked together professionally in the past.
  2. Currie is very close friends with Scott Stricklin (Florida AD). Stricklin was part of Barnhart’s staff at UK for years and they are pretty close as well.
Those kinds of things can really help in terms of getting someone to take your call, which is huge. Doesn’t guarantee Currie will play ball, but it is a critical first step and we already have a leg up here.
 

Aike

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Sometimes you can run into challenges simply because people are busy and it’s hard to get time with them, so it’s not always about bad blood if a school doesn’t cooperate.

There are at least two things though that should at least get us a phone conversation with Currie.
  1. Currie was AD at Tennessee for one year in 2017. That’s the same year Barnhart was made chair of the SEC ADs, so they’ve worked together professionally in the past.
  2. Currie is very close friends with Scott Stricklin (Florida AD). Stricklin was part of Barnhart’s staff at UK for years and they are pretty close as well.
Those kinds of things can really help in terms of getting someone to take your call, which is huge. Doesn’t guarantee Currie will play ball, but it is a critical first step and we already have a leg up here.

An AD doesn’t blow off a call like this because he is too busy. You make time for the call or you don’t. If you blow it off, there is some intentional animosity.
 

UKnCincy_rivals

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An AD doesn’t blow off a call like this because he is too busy. You make time for the call or you don’t. If you blow it off, there is some intentional animosity.

ADs have far more on their plate than they can handle in general, so they always have to prioritize what they focus on. It gets even worse if they happen to be dealing with things like a high profile coaching search, upcoming board meeting or major fundraising campaign at the same time.

On top of that, you may have multiple students from more than one sport who are transferring to different schools. At that point it’s not “blowing it off”, it’s simply prioritizing how much time to devote to a task to get your job done. Or it’s simply a situation where the squeaky wheel gets the grease and you’re not able to squeak loud enough.

And if you don’t already have a direct line to the AD, or some other relationship to leverage, then you can also run into situations where you might be relying on his admin to accurately convey a message.

My firm helps schools navigate NCAA waiver requests all the time, and these things happen. It’s why things like the 10-day policy exist.
 
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Sometimes you can run into challenges simply because people are busy and it’s hard to get time with them, so it’s not always about bad blood if a school doesn’t cooperate.

There are at least two things though that should at least get us a phone conversation with Currie.
  1. Currie was AD at Tennessee for one year in 2017. That’s the same year Barnhart was made chair of the SEC ADs, so they’ve worked together professionally in the past.
  2. Currie is very close friends with Scott Stricklin (Florida AD). Stricklin was part of Barnhart’s staff at UK for years and they are pretty close as well.
Those kinds of things can really help in terms of getting someone to take your call, which is huge. Doesn’t guarantee Currie will play ball, but it is a critical first step and we already have a leg up here.
There may be a closer Barnhart/Currie connection than that, although it's hard to piece together. Both of them were assistant ADs at Tennessee. Barnhart left UT after several years in 1998 to become AD at Oregon State. Currie's wiki entry says he started at UT in '97. Well, in one place it does, in another place on the same page it says he was at UT starting in 2000. If the former is right, he and Barnhart worked together for a while....
 

Aike

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ADs have far more on their plate than they can handle in general, so they always have to prioritize what they focus on. It gets even worse if they happen to be dealing with things like a high profile coaching search, upcoming board meeting or major fundraising campaign at the same time.

On top of that, you may have multiple students from more than one sport who are transferring to different schools. At that point it’s not “blowing it off”, it’s simply prioritizing how much time to devote to a task to get your job done. Or it’s simply a situation where the squeaky wheel gets the grease and you’re not able to squeak loud enough.

And if you don’t already have a direct line to the AD, or some other relationship to leverage, then you can also run into situations where you might be relying on his admin to accurately convey a message.

My firm helps schools navigate NCAA waiver requests all the time, and these things happen. It’s why things like the 10-day policy exist.

We all have our priorities. If the AD of Wake wants to take Mitch Barnhart’s call, he will. If he doesn’t want to talk to him, he can spin it however he wants.

Wake’s AD is acutely aware of what is going on in this situation, no matter how busy he might be.
 
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I hope the NCAA is consistent. Now that sounds like a bad thing for us, but they just lost a season and a lot of money. If Sarr doesn't get the waiver to play here he is going to the PROs and college BB loses him anyway so I hope the NCAA is all about their greed and wants to keep their product at the highest level they can by keeping players like Sarr in college BB.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Once again Cal comes thru in the clutch. I never doubt the man but he was in deep with all the kids who left. You da man Cal!
 

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Really excited about this kid. cautiously optimistic about getting eligible but the ncaa owes Barnhart for all the work he's done on the committee so hopefully it happens. and firing the coach after the draft deadline was doing kids dirty.... I'd say that even if the kid was going elsewhere.
 
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We all have our priorities. If the AD of Wake wants to take Mitch Barnhart’s call, he will. If he doesn’t want to talk to him, he can spin it however he wants.

Wake’s AD is acutely aware of what is going on in this situation, no matter how busy he might be.

Right now Currie, like all other ADs, has his hands full just trying to keep his athletics department solvent because COVID-19 has wrecked their budgets. That means figuring out where to do pay cuts and scenario planning for lots of things like:
  • At what point do we have to lay people off?
  • How many would we have to lay off and who are those individuals?
  • Do we need to restructure debt and how do we do that?
  • What are the scenarios for how things might open back up and what plans do we need to have in place?
Those are massive problems that are far beyond what any AD has ever had to deal with.

If another AD who lacks a relationship with Currie leaves him a message about a transfer, and Currie fails to get back to him, it doesn’t mean that there is some intentional animosity as you originally asserted.

It simply means he’s completely swamped with far more pressing issues to address than a single student’s transfer request.
 
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All of the trouble we have had on the defensive boards last few years, that is a strength of Sarr. Excited about the fact that Sarr is a true five that will always be around the lane scoring and blocking shots to go along with his rebounding skills. Jackson will get twice as good twice as fast practicing against Sarr. Another huge positive. The perimeter guys will have more room to work with defenders having to worry about Sarr.
 
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It'd be sad if he can't play next season. NCAA start caring about the kids that make you money.
 

Aike

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Right now Currie, like all other ADs, has his hands full just trying to keep his athletics department solvent because COVID-19 has wrecked their budgets. That means figuring out where to do pay cuts and scenario planning for lots of things like:
  • At what point do we have to lay people off?
  • How many would we have to lay off and who are those individuals?
  • Do we need to restructure debt and how do we do that?
  • What are the scenarios for how things might open back up and what plans do we need to have in place?
Those are massive problems that are far beyond what any AD has ever had to deal with.

If another AD who lacks a relationship with Currie leaves him a message about a transfer, and Currie fails to get back to him, it doesn’t mean that there is some intentional animosity as you originally asserted.

It simply means he’s completely swamped with far more pressing issues to address than a single student’s transfer request.

I disagree. This is a high profile situation. Whether he’s granted a waiver or not will be front page news. At least the ESPN basketball page.

The AD is going to deal with that situation because it will reflect on his department. He may deal with it by taking a call. Or he may deal with it by blowing it off. Either way, it will be on his radar.

You don’t have to agree with me. But you’ll never convince me that this is somehow beneath the Wake AD because he has so many other fish to fry.

He certainly found the time to fire his head coach. And to hire another. Now his best player is leaving, and planning to play for John Calipari at Kentucky. The situation has the AD’s attention.

IMO, of course. I don’t know the man personally. Maybe he’s incredibly thick-headed.
 
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Sometimes you can run into challenges simply because people are busy and it’s hard to get time with them, so it’s not always about bad blood if a school doesn’t cooperate.

There are at least two things though that should at least get us a phone conversation with Currie.
  1. Currie was AD at Tennessee for one year in 2017. That’s the same year Barnhart was made chair of the SEC ADs, so they’ve worked together professionally in the past.
  2. Currie is very close friends with Scott Stricklin (Florida AD). Stricklin was part of Barnhart’s staff at UK for years and they are pretty close as well.
Those kinds of things can really help in terms of getting someone to take your call, which is huge. Doesn’t guarantee Currie will play ball, but it is a critical first step and we already have a leg up here.

Very good insight. Thanks.

So Currie got fired from UT after the football coach search debacle. I have no inside info, but it seems to me as Currie kinda got wrongly fired because of the fan base.

UT is supposed to have a good pretty basketball team next year and is the preseason favorite as of now. If Sarr is eligible, UK will probably overtake them.

Think this could have any impact on Currie’s decision to corporate with the process considering he might want to “get back” at UT?
 

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I disagree. This is a high profile situation. Whether he’s granted a waiver or not will be front page news. At least the ESPN basketball page.

The AD is going to deal with that situation because it will reflect on his department. He may deal with it by taking a call. Or he may deal with it by blowing it off. Either way, it will be on his radar.

You don’t have to agree with me. But you’ll never convince me that this is somehow beneath the Wake AD because he has so many other fish to fry.

He certainly found the time to fire his head coach. And to hire another. Now his best player is leaving, and planning to play for John Calipari at Kentucky. The situation has the AD’s attention.

IMO, of course. I don’t know the man personally. Maybe he’s incredibly thick-headed.

If you want to have that opinion, then that’s fine. I’m simply sharing my point of view based on my experience.

My practice specializes in advising schools and student athletes when dealing with NCAA compliance issues. So working with ADs, coaches and athletes is what I do for a living. And I know based on first hand experience, that you’re not always able to get the level of support you would like or even need from the other school and it has nothing to do with animosity on the part of the other AD.
 

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contingent on him being eligible to play next year. He will never see the floor at kentucky.

A bit of Debbie Downer here. He isn't Enus Kanter. No overseas issues with money received. His coach was fired. We end up in court if the NCAA tries any stunts here. Give it a rest. Cal wouldn't waste his time and Sandy Bell would have told Cal if there was any sort of issue. Just try being happy for a few seconds if you can.
 

bbnkat02

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This is some of the best news I've heard in weeks! He's going to be a wonderful addition to our program. And minus this stupid coronavirus, I'm ready for basketball season to start!
 

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Congrats cat fans.
I was told this was set to happen, but didn’t think today.
A very, very strong addition.
The eligibility situation will be interesting for a few reasons. I’d lean toward the likelihood of him playing.
 

Drcats2025

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Congrats cat fans.
I was told this was set to happen, but didn’t think today.
A very, very strong addition.
The eligibility situation will be interesting for a few reasons. I’d lean toward the likelihood of him playing.
Do you think, or have any idea, if the next alluded domino to fall is Anselem?