San Diego State Any Good?

RUEd

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I know undefeated and ranked. Probably #1 seed.
But if they were in a major conference, are they really good? I have not seen them play a single game.
 

RUEd

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Yes. They beat Iowa, Creighton, and BYU all on road/neutral in the non conference. And obviously it takes remarkable consistency to show up every single night and win .
Should have done my homework. Those are nice wins.
 
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garyrc70

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Overall schedule weak compared to the teams in B1G..Sagarin has them at #6 with a SOS of 113..
 

NewJerseyHawk

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They have a game at Boise State today at 4PM on CBS Sports Network. Boise has been a spot where many feel like an upset could happen, but not sure Boise can pull it off......Vegas has San Diego State at 5.5 point favs.....
 

BigEastPhil

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We ll find out in March. I don’t see them as a final 4 team. I think having strong conference games toughens you up for March something that they lack
 

bac2therac

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Yes. They beat Iowa, Creighton, and BYU all on road/neutral in the non conference. And obviously it takes remarkable consistency to show up every single night and win .

They are good and have the wins to back it up
 

BOCA93

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It’s really hard to run the table no matter what conference and those are quality wins. Problem is, in conference is really weak. Outside of SDSU I don’t think any other team has a ranked win. Most don’t even play anyone with a strong NET or AP ranked and when they do they’ve been utterly destroyed (Duke, Oregon...). A lot easier for a good team like SDSU to have an off night and still pull out a W in a weak conference like that than if they had the grind of the BIG. Hard to know how good they are.
 
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knight82

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The thing that makes college basketball better than college football is the fact that they will be given the opportunity in March to show how good they are
 

RU MAN

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I know undefeated and ranked. Probably #1 seed.
But if they were in a major conference, are they really good? I have not seen them play a single game.
I've watched them play twice now. Yes, they have some really good OOC wins, but I have to say, the competition they played was really poor. If they were in the B1G they would IMO being a middling team. An NCAA team? Yes. But not a #1 seed. More like a 7-9 seed. Why? They don't have a top flight big, their shooting guards are very good, but beat no one off the dribble and they're not a deep team.
 
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Mr. Magoo1

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They are very good but they are not one of the 4 best teams. They deserve a number 1 seed because they haven’t lost but a loss could move them down to a 3 or 4 seed.
 

soundcrib

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Of course they can get knocked off early. But they can also make a Final Four run. Look at the recent trend of mid major teams making the Final Four. And a 16 finally knocked off a 1.

They remind me of St. Joes with Jameer Nelson; that run.
 
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RUKnights86

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If we are slotted at 8/9, SDST is the team I want. That will have sweet sixteen written all over it for RU if we can get out of round 1.

You must not have seen many of their games. This is not a team I want to see in the 2nd round. Granted that means we won the opening round game so id be thrilled but SDSU is a complete team. Flynn is a true POY candidate and they have 1-5 who can shoot and they are defensively very good and athletic. Maybe not in the strongest conference but they are very very good.
 

Scarlet Shack

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Like st joes with Nelson ...they are good enough ...but are they truly and tough experienced enough to win 6 (or even four) against NCAA caliber teams ...when they just haven’t played enough games against ncaa level teams...plus, how do they respond as being the hunted, can’t sneak up on anyone
 

armenius

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You must not have seen many of their games. This is not a team I want to see in the 2nd round. Granted that means we won the opening round game so id be thrilled but SDSU is a complete team. Flynn is a true POY candidate and they have 1-5 who can shoot and they are defensively very good and athletic. Maybe not in the strongest conference but they are very very good.

I have seen plenty of their games, most recently their win over Air Force last week. They have not played a suffocating defense like ours and knocked off Creighton and Iowa long before those teams got hot. I'm salivating at a chance of playing them. I'd be more worried about the 8/9 game than playing them.
 
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Scangg

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I saw them play last week in person. Loved Wetzell's game and Mitchell is a beast.
 

RUfinal4

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they have 3 nice wins but they were early season. If they were in the B10 or Big East they would have 4-6 losses right now.
They are probably a top 16 team but not a top 4 team.
 

bac2therac

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Good lord tough crowd. They are undefeated and beat some NCAA teams already. They can only face the schools on their schedule
 

blockm2

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KenPom calls them the 4th best team in the country right now which accounts for SOS and is good enough for me. If they were in the Big Ten they would have losses, but they could probably still be ranked #4 in KenPom.
 

The RUT

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No, they aren’t.

I live in SD so I see their games on a lot. They would struggle in the B1G. I could see them getting bounced in the 2nd round vs an 8/9 winner.
 

soundcrib

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Nowadays once you’re in the tournament, you can throw conference pedigree and “where they would stand if they played in X conference” out the window. Anyone in the field of 68 can make a run.
 

bac2therac

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No, they aren’t.

I live in SD so I see their games on a lot. They would struggle in the B1G. I could see them getting bounced in the 2nd round vs an 8/9 winner.

they beat Creighton and Iowa on neutral courts. Creighton by 30, Iowa by 10, they won at BYU, beat Utah State by 9 and 10

So that would put them at 5 league wins to no league losses playing only 1 home game.
 

The RUT

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they beat Creighton and Iowa on neutral courts. Creighton by 30, Iowa by 10, they won at BYU, beat Utah State by 9 and 10

So that would put them at 5 league wins to no league losses playing only 1 home game.
I’m still not buying stock in them. JMO.
 

blockm2

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I’m still not buying stock in them. JMO.

no offense, but they are really damn good. I've seen plenty of their games and they would win plenty of Big Ten games. Now whether they would actually win the conference (like KenPom would favor them to do depending on schedule) I have no idea. But they'd be right in the mix at the top of the conference like everyone else. Their efficiency metrics are right in line with the 2004 St. Joe's team with Jameer Nelson that went undefeated in the regular season and just barely lost in the Elite Eight.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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I think there is something to be said for dealing with adversity at times during the season. Not sure how they will react if/when they are behind.

against Iowa many months ago they were behind most of the game.
 

RUfinal4

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I think there is something to be said for dealing with adversity at times during the season. Not sure how they will react if/when they are behind.

against Iowa many months ago they were behind most of the game.
the closest history is the 34-1 1990-91 UNLV Runnin Rebels (lost to Duke in the Final 4 79-77 and the 2016-17 37-2 Gonzaga team that lost in the championship 71-65)
 

blockm2

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They may be really good, but is there any doubt that, if we have to draw a #1 seed in the second round, SD State is who we would want?

I think they would be a particularly bad matchup for Rutgers. They have 7 players in their rotation that have attempted at least 19 three point shots and the worst shooter among them has made 36.8%. So not only are the one of the best shooting teams in the country, they have a bunch of good shooters on the floor at almost all times (as opposed to some teams that pile all their outside shots into just maybe 2 players).

If I were Rutgers I'd much rather see Kansas that relies on scoring inside which is more of a strength of Rutgers defense which is elite inside but does give up a lot of 3 pt shots.
 

Eagleton95.99

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I think they would be a particularly bad matchup for Rutgers. They have 7 players in their rotation that have attempted at least 19 three point shots and the worst shooter among them has made 36.8%. So not only are the one of the best shooting teams in the country, they have a bunch of good shooters on the floor at almost all times (as opposed to some teams that pile all their outside shots into just maybe 2 players).

If I were Rutgers I'd much rather see Kansas that relies on scoring inside which is more of a strength of Rutgers defense which is elite inside but does give up a lot of 3 pt shots.
Maybe. We haven't done that well vs teams that can challenge us inside actually. But you may be right. I haven't watched SD State. I just think a team that has spent the season calibrating themselves against the Mountain West would have some trouble going up against our athletic length on the perimeter. But that's just my gut feeling.
 

fluoxetine

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SDSU is really good and would be the favorite to win the Big Ten (though they wouldn't come close to going undefeated, obviously).
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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If we are slotted at 8/9, SDST is the team I want. That will have sweet sixteen written all over it for RU if we can get out of round 1.
I am wondering what happens to our defense when the refs are from, say, the PAC... these Big Ten refs are all over the place with letting aggressive D go and later calling touch fouls.. if we get a crew who doesn't "let them play"... could be trouble no matter who we play.

But otherwise I agree with you.
 

Eagleton95.99

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I am wondering what happens to our defense when the refs are from, say, the PAC... these Big Ten refs are all over the place with letting aggressive D go and later calling touch fouls.. if we get a crew who doesn't "let them play"... could be trouble no matter who we play.

But otherwise I agree with you.
That's a good point.
 

GimmeSomeMore

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I think they would be a particularly bad matchup for Rutgers. They have 7 players in their rotation that have attempted at least 19 three point shots and the worst shooter among them has made 36.8%. So not only are the one of the best shooting teams in the country, they have a bunch of good shooters on the floor at almost all times (as opposed to some teams that pile all their outside shots into just maybe 2 players).

If I were Rutgers I'd much rather see Kansas that relies on scoring inside which is more of a strength of Rutgers defense which is elite inside but does give up a lot of 3 pt shots.

While we haven't defended the 3 (percentage wise) as well of late, I think that our length on the perimeter (if we are locked in) would be a huge issue for SDSU. Not sure they see a lot of 6-6/6-7 2 guards in their league. They start 3 Gs, 2 of whom are 6'1".

Kansas would be an absolute bear for us due to size and athleticism.
 
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blockm2

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While we haven't defended the 3 (percentage wise) as well of late, I think that our length on the perimeter (if we are locked in) would be a huge issue for SDSU. Not sure they see a lot of 6-6/6-7 2 guards in their league. They start 3 Gs, 2 of whom are 6'1".

Kansas would be an absolute bear for us due to size and athleticism.

my point about defending the 3 is that for the entirety of Pikiell's career his defenses have allowed a lot of 3 point attempts. That's what he wants the opponent to do. Kansas relies so much on scoring inside that they would likely struggle with the Rutgers defense because Rutgers can sag off of most of their team and take away those easy inside baskets.