Sally is back to bulldog bashing.
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We have finished ahead of them in the
sec standings how many years in a row and probably will again this year. Their offensive line depth is not good and they don't have a proven QB and still haven't proved they can run the football. Yea, they are killing us, it's shitbag stories like this one that harkened to "bear controlled media".
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sec standings how many years in a row and probably will again this year. Their offensive line depth is not good and they don't have a proven QB and still haven't proved they can run the football. Yea, they are killing us, it's shitbag stories like this one that harkened to "bear controlled media".
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I don't get the point of that article. I understand comparing two teams in a story, but I'm not even sure who that is about.
He didn't really bash us, but he definitely underestimates us.
Ole Miss is loaded with "star power" on defense. Tee Shepard and Tony Bridges bring recruiting stars to their corner position, but Redmond and Calhoun have proved it in SEC games. Ole Miss plays 5 DB's so when you throw in Conner, Hampton, and Elston/Hilton that's a lot of talent at their 3 safety spots. And their D-line is more disruptive than ours with guys like Knemdiche, Haynes, Fadol Brown and I expect Speaks and DJ Jones to be really good.
But offensively, Dak is superior to whoever they end up starting and I think our O-line ends up being slightly better. They have very good receivers, but we are right there too with Fred Ross who Sallee probably doesn't even know and Donald Gray.
Ole Miss is loaded with "star power" on defense. Tee Shepard and Tony Bridges bring recruiting stars to their corner position, but Redmond and Calhoun have proved it in SEC games. Ole Miss plays 5 DB's so when you throw in Conner, Hampton, and Elston/Hilton that's a lot of talent at their 3 safety spots. And their D-line is more disruptive than ours with guys like Knemdiche, Haynes, Fadol Brown and I expect Speaks and DJ Jones to be really good.
But offensively, Dak is superior to whoever they end up starting and I think our O-line ends up being slightly better. They have very good receivers, but we are right there too with Fred Ross who Sallee probably doesn't even know and Donald Gray.
What was it, maybe two full sentences on MSU
The rest on Om, I'd say it's an OM article.(period).
The rest on Om, I'd say it's an OM article.(period).
Exactly. How do you spew all that and not mention that we have a "potential" first round draft pick at corner(WR) and wide receiver(DW), plus a proven Heisman candidate at quarterback? And the way he insinuates that OM has dominated the state of MS in recruiting is completely inaccurate. Just bad journalism all the way around.
What he should have done was write an article about how MSU has the best offense in the SEC and that Ole Miss has the best defense in the SEC. Then he could hype up the Egg Bowl early. But again the national media is dumb because they all think we are going to finish last in the SEC lol
I agree with this. I expect them to have a really damn good defense. But I expect our offense to be light years better than theirs. And that's with them perhaps having one of the better WR groups in the conference.
I have no idea. I saw it come through my Twitter feed, on a feed generally just about Mississippi (Not Ole Miss) news. For the lazy, I have linked to the original Bleacher Report article that Trove.com obviously copied and pasted from, and gave credit to Sallee. It's pretty much word for word, though, with prettier graphics and a bleacher report poll (which team has more staying power? MSU or OM?)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...has-more-staying-power-than-mississippi-state
Interesting. When I open up the link, all I read is "aimlessly filling time until Labor Day by trolling for clicks"
After reading all of the Tee Shephard talk from their Spring Game, I'm beginning to think that Tee hype is a product of MSU flipping Leo.
Read a good post somewhere else about this and I agree. We are entering that
time of year where the PR machine kicks in every years to talk about how wonderful all things are in Oxford and how turrible all things are in Starksville*. This crap is getting so old.
time of year where the PR machine kicks in every years to talk about how wonderful all things are in Oxford and how turrible all things are in Starksville*. This crap is getting so old.
I don't care what anyone says and how many stars they have, starting 2 juco CBs is not a good thing. They were jucos for a reason. Think about the last two 5-star jucos for both programs: Lavon Hooks and Denico Autry. Both's impact was minimal. Autry made a small ripple and Hooks was nonexistent. I wouldn't trade Redmond/Calhoun for Bridges/Shepard.
May I ask a few serious, non-trolling questions regarding the so-called Bear-Controlled Media? Is it the consensus that we pay “journalists” like Sallee to write things like this? If so, who’s paying them - i.e. the school, boosters, who? Why do we do it? How much do you think we pay? How far do you think our influence reaches?
Ole Miss will take a big step back after Nkemdiche, Gross and Ward leave. Their defensive line is stifling, no question about that. Johnson and Conner are also out after this year. Essentially, most of their success is coming from that 2013 class, after they leave they fall right back to 5-7 win territory. They do not have 'depth', at least no more than anyone else.
Well....it's not just Sallee saying this. Looking at several pre-season polls and OM is nationally ranked in all of them and we are ranked in none of them.
We are consensus pick to be last in the SEC West and they are generally picked anywhere from second to forth.
You've gotta hand it to Freezer. He inherited a 2-10 team that was probably the worst in all of Division 1 and certainly the worst in the SEC with almost no talent returning. Took them to a New Years Six bowl game in three years. They will have a very weak senior class this year (their transitional recruiting class that was ranked 42nd, if I remember correctly). So it's true they don't have the kind of depth we have now and they will have in '16 and beyond. I agree with Hammer on that.
I agree with HoopsDawg and think we will have the better offense again this year and they will have the better defense again. Should be a great Egg Bowl and hopefully it will mean something again outside of just Mississippi. I think we'll beat 'em this year with it being a home game.
Again.... Sallee is just repeating what all the so called experts are saying, so we shouldn't jump on him. Let's wait and have fun proving the "experts" wrong again like we did last year.
We are consensus pick to be last in the SEC West and they are generally picked anywhere from second to forth.
You've gotta hand it to Freezer. He inherited a 2-10 team that was probably the worst in all of Division 1 and certainly the worst in the SEC with almost no talent returning. Took them to a New Years Six bowl game in three years. They will have a very weak senior class this year (their transitional recruiting class that was ranked 42nd, if I remember correctly). So it's true they don't have the kind of depth we have now and they will have in '16 and beyond. I agree with Hammer on that.
I agree with HoopsDawg and think we will have the better offense again this year and they will have the better defense again. Should be a great Egg Bowl and hopefully it will mean something again outside of just Mississippi. I think we'll beat 'em this year with it being a home game.
Again.... Sallee is just repeating what all the so called experts are saying, so we shouldn't jump on him. Let's wait and have fun proving the "experts" wrong again like we did last year.
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Jughead, I don't think anyone is getting paid. I think sports journalism is a
fraternal organization that is dominated by members who graduated from predominantly liberal arts schools and who hold a natural bias against agricultural/engineering/technical type schools. They promote what they have been taught to love and bash what they have been taught to look down their noses at.
I will give Ole Miss credit for being very good self promoters, you are much better at that game than we are. Once we started dipping our toe into it with the "This is Our State Campaign" the reaction was pretty interesting. Kind of like that's our turf, please stay off of it.
I think Ole Miss and State are both very good schools filled with very good people who both have serious fringe groups that are embarrassing at times to both institutions. I just get tired of the yearly dick measuring contest around this time about whose town is prettiest, whose women are prettiest, who the best party school is, whose college town is the best, blah, blah, blah. It's all very subjective, opinionated stuff full of stereotypical, narrow minded snooty, zero sum gamer mental midgets.
The article about "Staying Power" was just poorly done and makes one wonder why it was even written when the writer didn't seem to make any effort at a serious analysis of the past five years and what the current depth situation is at both schools. It was an article about why he thinks Ole Miss is better than State written so a bunch of nimrods can post it on their Facebook pages and drive clicks to his site. We are just the target as usual.
fraternal organization that is dominated by members who graduated from predominantly liberal arts schools and who hold a natural bias against agricultural/engineering/technical type schools. They promote what they have been taught to love and bash what they have been taught to look down their noses at.
I will give Ole Miss credit for being very good self promoters, you are much better at that game than we are. Once we started dipping our toe into it with the "This is Our State Campaign" the reaction was pretty interesting. Kind of like that's our turf, please stay off of it.
I think Ole Miss and State are both very good schools filled with very good people who both have serious fringe groups that are embarrassing at times to both institutions. I just get tired of the yearly dick measuring contest around this time about whose town is prettiest, whose women are prettiest, who the best party school is, whose college town is the best, blah, blah, blah. It's all very subjective, opinionated stuff full of stereotypical, narrow minded snooty, zero sum gamer mental midgets.
The article about "Staying Power" was just poorly done and makes one wonder why it was even written when the writer didn't seem to make any effort at a serious analysis of the past five years and what the current depth situation is at both schools. It was an article about why he thinks Ole Miss is better than State written so a bunch of nimrods can post it on their Facebook pages and drive clicks to his site. We are just the target as usual.
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Just to throw an FYI because I do think Starkville gets unnecessary bashing but Sallee went to Auburn.
Excellent post, all the way around. Especially the part about indoctrination, and that occurs everywhere. I swear sometimes our society is 90% drones, no one questions anything or goes against what they have learned in school classrooms. Add in fragile self-esteem and jealousy, and we are where we are.
We will take a step back in 2016. The question is whether or not it'll be permanent. Few programs can lose what we're going to lose after this year and maintain. LSU, for example, went 8-5 this past year because they lost a ton off their 2013 roster. Unless you're Bama, you don't lose a lot and win 9 or 10 games again.
If we're recruiting at a high level, we'll win 7 or 8 regular season games in 2016, and we'll win 9 or 10 in 2017. That's if Sallee is right. If he's wrong, we won't do that.
I was speaking in general terms but with regards to Sallie it appears he doesn't
care much for Mullen or MSU and likes to grind that ax whenever he can. I'm not sure what his motivation is maybe others can shed some light on that. I think he did manage to say a few nice things about us during our run last year but it was painful for him.
care much for Mullen or MSU and likes to grind that ax whenever he can. I'm not sure what his motivation is maybe others can shed some light on that. I think he did manage to say a few nice things about us during our run last year but it was painful for him.
Ole Miss has possibly the best defense in its history back this year and will be
very good. It will be extremely difficult not to take a step back after this year. For what it is worth I believe as long as Freeze and Mullen are in place that both schools are going to be competitive and an enjoyment for both fan bases.
very good. It will be extremely difficult not to take a step back after this year. For what it is worth I believe as long as Freeze and Mullen are in place that both schools are going to be competitive and an enjoyment for both fan bases.
Sallee is just another troll with a platform. His opinion means zip to me.
I can't imagine what it would be like to have an existence focused on stirring the pot and agitating people.
I can't imagine what it would be like to have an existence focused on stirring the pot and agitating people.
"And the way he insinuates that OM has dominated the state of MS in recruiting is completely inaccurate. Just bad journalism all the way around.[/QUOTE]
I agree with ya, Vice. We were ranked higher than them in recruiting this class (2015) were we not?
I agree with ya, Vice. We were ranked higher than them in recruiting this class (2015) were we not?
I appreciate the response. I see "Bear-Controlled Media" tossed around so much, and I realize it's often used in jest, but then there are some who truly seem to think we're the puppet-masters for the stories released by media outlets. While I don't agree with your theory, it does make more sense than the puppet-master theory.
Relax, I am not trying to degrade the superiority of her honor Ole Miss. I am simply pointing out facts. The future is not written, so who knows what truly happens after 2016, maybe your classes are better than I give them credit for, maybe you sign the next Cam Newton and go 15-0. Bottom line is that 2013 was an anomaly, we can all admit that. Your other classes are just par for the course, and not how Sallee described, just in general. Ole Miss always has the 'ranking', but yet MSU always seems just as talented and we do not have the ranking to show. That tells me that it is just more of the same.
My biggest take on Ole Miss is this: You will wish Bo Wallace was still there.
This article was an absolute bash at State, and nothing has happened in recent football history that corresponds to what he's saying about Ole Miss football. What he's insinuating about Ole Miss being on "another level" is just plain untrue.
Do people forget the absolute thrashing they received in the Peach bowl? How about being blanked in Fayetteville? #Another level
Do people forget the absolute thrashing they received in the Peach bowl? How about being blanked in Fayetteville? #Another level
From the thread title I thought Wilson Picket had been resurrected and would be playing at the Bulldog Bash in the fall.
Our 2016 class could end up competing with that 2013 class in terms of strength, and could be deeper, especially since we actually have an alpha recruiter at the QB position taking the reins in trying to be the leader of the class. The 2014 and 2015 classes were both strong, but not spectacular. My point was that I think that if we're able to still win 7 or 8 regular season games in 2016, then you'll know that Freeze built the foundation for us in recruiting, outside of just the flash of the 2013 class headliners.
I agree with you that Sallee significantly undervalued and/or brushed aside the impact of replacing Wallace. Yes, Bo had a tendency to throw the ball to the wrong team sometimes, but he was very good at making the necessary throws, and he was the anti-Snead in being willing to stand in the pocket and make a throw under duress. We will see what his replacements can do, but it won't be easy to replace him. No glossing over that.
I do think our OL should be better and deeper than some anticipate. We had 4-5 guys out for spring ball with injuries, but we return all 7 rotation players from last year and will be adding some to that rotation that will be ready this year. I anticipate we'll have up to 10 or 11 guys they feel comfortable putting on the field. If we suck on the OL this year, it should lead to a change of OL coaches, because we'll have enough in our personnel to be a solid to plus OL. In 2014, we were very young for an OL, only 2 players on our roster that were 4th years and no 5th years. Contrast that with your OL last year that had almost an entire two deep of 4th and 5th year players.
I expect the '15 OM d to be good but not as good as the '14 d. It's safe to say the d will again be the strength of OM's team, but I doubt you'll see the '15 d lead the nation in scoring d like the '14 d did.
Top 3 LBs (including 3 of top 7 tacklers on the team) all departed, and LB was probably the weakest position group of the '14 d. The '15 LBs are small by SEC standards.
Two proven commodities and AAs are gone from the secondary in Golson and Prewitt, though the cupboard is not bare behind them.
The one area of potential improvement is more beef at DT, which should help against teams (LSU) that line up and try to run it down people's throats.
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