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Hey, 79 miles isn't to bad of a drive.....
No way he goes for that. Can you imagine having to deal with Barney Fife in Gordo and Reform every single day, twice a day?
 

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patdog

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In the age of NIL when he can't just go buy more talent than the competition, he won't win at an incredibly high level any more. It's why he stepped away from coaching and it's why Georgia isn't as good as they were any more. Neither Saban now Smart was out there out-coaching the competition.
Don’t kid yourself. Saban in his prime was a much better coach than anyone in the game today.
 

onewoof

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Don’t kid yourself. Saban in his prime was a much better coach than anyone in the game today.
It is more correct to say he took advantage of the numerous advantages he had.

He took two deeps of NFL caliber high school players and guided most of them to the NFL. With a budget most other teams didn't have. Except 2019 LSU and the legendary coach Ed Orgeron - dude really coached up that roster that year. Better than Saban lol
 
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Don’t kid yourself. Saban in his prime was a much better coach than anyone in the game today.
Best coach in Bama history. If he was allowed to do what the Bear did there's no telling what his winning % would be.
 
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It is more correct to say he took advantage of the numerous advantages he had.

He took two deeps of NFL caliber high school players and guided most of them to the NFL. With a budget most other teams didn't have. Except 2019 LSU and the legendary coach Ed Orgeron - dude really coached up that roster that year. Better than Saban lol
Uh....do you remember what that program looked like when he took over....with their numerous advantages? Heck, even Croom beat him first year. It's laughable to post sh!+ on Saban.
 

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Don’t kid yourself. Saban in his prime was a much better coach than anyone in the game today.
Curt Cignetti has entered the room.

Saban got recruits. That much is not up for debate. I am certain I know how he got them but whatever. Cignetti did something Saban never could. He won without a highly ranked team full of 4 and 5 stars. Saban has lost more with more than Cingnetti ever has.
 

patdog

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Curt Cignetti has entered the room.

Saban got recruits. That much is not up for debate. I am certain I know how he got them but whatever. Cignetti did something Saban never could. He won without a highly ranked team full of 4 and 5 stars. Saban has lost more with more than Cingnetti ever has.
And who does Cignetti say had a pivotal influence on his career? Hint: he coached for him for 4 years just before his 1st head coaching job.
 

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Sabah is a very good coach. He didn’t dominate because of great coaching, but lots of solid coaches with bags failed to win like him. He was still competing against plenty of coaches cheering similarly to Bama and they didn’t win as much over as long if a period.
 

onewoof

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Uh....do you remember what that program looked like when he took over....with their numerous advantages? Heck, even Croom beat him first year. It's laughable to post sh!+ on Saban.
Same rule applies to Coach O at LSU. And Chiznik. World class winners.

Saban enjoyed a window of opportunity that has now closed.

Tell me that Wooden was the best basketball coach in history. Then I'll know how you think.

Can't win with funneling in more of the best paid players than the competition. And as an added bonus, "an understanding" with the league and refs.
 

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Sabah is a very good coach. He didn’t dominate because of great coaching, but lots of solid coaches with bags failed to win like him. He was still competing against plenty of coaches cheering similarly to Bama and they didn’t win as much over as long if a period.
Only Hugh Freeze, Kirby Smart, and Dabo cheated as much as Saban.
 

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Sabah is a very good coach. He didn’t dominate because of great coaching, but lots of solid coaches with bags failed to win like him. He was still competing against plenty of coaches cheering similarly to Bama and they didn’t win as much over as long if a period.
I agree with this except the number of coaches part. He won because he had more talent. And when his competitive advantage went away, he did too.

Keep in mind who the very first coach was to come out and say his QB had almost a million dollars in NIL deals? He then complained when 2 days later OSU said theirs had almost $4 million in NIL deals.
 

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And who does Cignetti say had a pivotal influence on his career? Hint: he coached for him for 4 years just before his 1st head coaching job.
Pete Carroll won it all in the pros with the shortest QB ever to do it. Saban couldn't win so he had to go back to college because he knew he could out recruit everyone.

If I had to build a team - take Saban. If I had to coach a team that was already in place - take Carroll or Cignetti.
 
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Same rule applies to Coach O at LSU. And Chiznik. World class winners.

Saban enjoyed a window of opportunity that has now closed.

Tell me that Wooden was the best basketball coach in history. Then I'll know how you think.

Can't win with funneling in more of the best paid players than the competition. And as an added bonus, "an understanding" with the league and refs.
Ok, it's clear you hate the guy or at the minimum discount his success down to paying players and that's ok....it's your opinion . Agree to disagree and I'd take him right here right now and pretty confident he'd win 7-8 with this current roster but I could be wrong.
 

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Only Hugh Freeze, Kirby Smart, and Dabo cheated as much as Saban.
Nah, they were just a few of the ones that cheated effectively. Urban Meyer, Gus Malzahn, Gene Chizik, Mike Richt, Les Miles, Ed Orgeron, Chip Kelly, Bobby Petrino, Jim Harbaugh, Bob Stoops, Art Briles, Jimbo Fisher, etc. all basically cheated as much as Saban did in the same era. All but proably Petrino and Briles were at least in the same ballpark as far as budget. Saban was a very good coach as far as fundamentals on defense and good at running a program and he had the ability to handle the pressure cooker. Urban was just as good or better, but he couldn't maintain it like Saban.
 
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Ok, it's clear you hate the guy or at the minimum discount his success down to paying players and that's ok....it's your opinion . Agree to disagree and I'd take him right here right now and pretty confident he'd win 7-8 with this current roster but I could be wrong.
Actually, I am not discounting it as "just paying players". His record is great, but I have at least one very tough question for anyone who is naive enough to think he did it legit. If you concede he paid players, then we are on the same page.

But 7 or 8 wins here is about all he would get. He couldn't win like he did unless he had superior talent. And with the current roster he wouldn't have that.
 

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Nah, they were just a few of the ones that cheated effectively. Urban Meyer, Gus Malzahn, Gene Chizik, Mike Richt, Les Miles, Ed Orgeron, Chip Kelly, Bobby Petrino, Jim Harbaugh, Bob Stoops, Art Briles, Jimbo Fisher, etc. all basically cheated as much as Saban did in the same era. All but proably Petrino and Briles were at least in the same ballpark as far as budget. Saban was a very good coach as far as fundamentals on defense and good at running a program and he had the ability to handle the pressure cooker. Urban was just as good or better, but he couldn't maintain it like Saban.
I disagree completely. Maybe I missed Meyer, but my question for you is why did Saban seem to fight so hard to have NIL regulated?

There's a reason and it isn't because it's an equal playing field or it's "best" for the "student athlete".
 

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Actually, I am not discounting it as "just paying players". His record is great, but I have at least one very tough question for anyone who is naive enough to think he did it legit. If you concede he paid players, then we are on the same page.

But 7 or 8 wins here is about all he would get. He couldn't win like he did unless he had superior talent. And with the current roster he wouldn't have that.
Look I hate Bama as much as the next guy and I surely don't love Saban but I respect what he did. Why didn't all those other Bama coaches do what Saban did? Why didn't his coaching peers at the other blue bloods do what he did....I'm sure you'll agree they handed the cash out too. It's all relative and he didn't leave because he lost his advantage from a $ perspective; he left because the portal. He could no longer put his foot up some 4 or 5 stars arse for not performing without them tapping out and entering the portal and he knew it.
 
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Look I hate Bama as much as the next guy and I surely don't love Saban but I respect what he did. Why didn't all those other Bama coaches do what Saban did? Why didn't his coaching peers at the other blue bloods do what he did....I'm sure you'll agree they handed the cash out too. It's all relative and he didn't leave because he lost his advantage from a $ perspective; he left because the portal. He could no longer put his foot up some 4 or 5 stars arse for not performing without them tapping out and entering the portal and he knew it.
We disagree. That's fine.

Have a nice day.
 
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patdog

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Actually, I am not discounting it as "just paying players". His record is great, but I have at least one very tough question for anyone who is naive enough to think he did it legit. If you concede he paid players, then we are on the same page.

But 7 or 8 wins here is about all he would get. He couldn't win like he did unless he had superior talent. And with the current roster he wouldn't have that.
You’re setting an impossible bar to reach. No once could win at Mississippi State like he did at Alabama. But he’d win more than 7-8. Heck, Dan Mullen won 7 per year here. Saban could average 9 here with some playoff appearances.
 
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patdog

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Look I hate Bama as much as the next guy and I surely don't love Saban but I respect what he did. Why didn't all those other Bama coaches do what Saban did? Why didn't his coaching peers at the other blue bloods do what he did....I'm sure you'll agree they handed the cash out too. It's all relative and he didn't leave because he lost his advantage from a $ perspective; he left because the portal. He could no longer put his foot up some 4 or 5 stars arse for not performing without them tapping out and entering the portal and he knew it.
He also left because he was 70 years old and at the end of his prime years.
 
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onewoof

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You’re setting an impossible bar to reach. No once could win at Mississippi State like he did at Alabama. But he’d win more than 7-8. Heck, Dan Mullen won 7 per year here. Saban could average 9 here with some playoff appearances.
The average person has no idea the amount of money Saban got rolling - to his credit. The entire university, Tuscaloosa and the support at the highest levels of the state of Alabama and the SEC. Yes even referees knew he could and would get them fired. And assistant coaches that cheated to win. It was completely and totally an unfair advantage.

I go back to the example of Wooden. He wasn't a great coach and won more championships at UCLA with a similar advantage. And some will argue that Wooden is the greatest coach of all time.
 
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onewoof

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Ok, it's clear you hate the guy or at the minimum discount his success down to paying players and that's ok....it's your opinion . Agree to disagree and I'd take him right here right now and pretty confident he'd win 7-8 with this current roster but I could be wrong.
He'd win about as much as his first season at Bama, relatively speaking. State can get the credit for waking up the machine and the maniac coach after that humiliating loss.
 
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Y’all don’t think Saban would just go to a high NIL school and continue doing what he did? He may not be as dominant but he’d win.

My beef with the guy now is not his coaching skill. It’s the fact that he says he wants parity.
 

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Y’all don’t think Saban would just go to a high NIL school and continue doing what he did? He may not be as dominant but he’d win.

My beef with the guy now is not his coaching skill. It’s the fact that he says he wants parity.
He would win one every so often. yes good coach but he wouldn’t necessarily beat Cignetti, Ohio State , Georgia, Oregon , ND and the other heavy weights in consecutive years.
 
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patdog

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He would win one every so often. yes good coach but he wouldn’t necessarily beat Cignetti, Ohio State , Georgia, Oregon , ND and the other heavy weights in consecutive years.
Ha. 4 of those coaches have combined for 2 titles. And the 5th and most successful, Saban freaking owned when he was coaching.
 

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He would win one every so often. yes good coach but he wouldn’t necessarily beat Cignetti, Ohio State , Georgia, Oregon , ND and the other heavy weights in consecutive years.
Cignetti is literally Saban Jr except he adapted. Saban would do the same had he been 10 years younger.

I just wish he wouldn’t be a hypocrite about it.
 

patdog

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That’s not even relevant to the nil portal era today
Don’t be ridiculous. Of course it does. Do you think Georgia wasn’t cheating just as much as Alabama was? Or LSU? Or Ohio St? Or Oregon? Or any on the other big schools?
 

patdog

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Cignetti is literally Saban Jr except he adapted. Saban would do the same had he been 10 years younger.

I just wish he wouldn’t be a hypocrite about it.
Of course Saban would have adapted. He adapted his whole career, really more than any coach I’ve ever seen. The Saban who win his last title was a very different coach than the Saban who won his first one.
 

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Of course Saban would have adapted. He adapted his whole career, really more than any coach I’ve ever seen. The Saban who win his last title was a very different coach than the Saban who won his first one.
Difference is Cignetti goes 16-0 without a distinct talent advantage over other top teams and Saban always had a big talent advantage.
 
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patdog

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Difference is Cignetti goes 16-0 without a distinct talent advantage over other top teams and Saban always had a big talent advantage.
Indiana had talent. And a lot more experience than any other team. Get back to me when he wins a half dozen titles.
 

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Indiana had talent. And a lot more experience than any other team. Get back to me when he wins a half dozen titles.
lol, Indianas talent composite was less than the other top five teams, do some research
 
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