Rye whiskey

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James E Pepper 1776. Spicy at first and smooth finish. Very nice.

I haven’t had it and almost picked that up last time I was browsing the aisle at Buy Rite. Will make a point to get it next time I’m there. Close to finishing a bottle of Ranger Creek .44 Rye. Very nice notes and the finish is almost too smooth.
 

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This thread makes me think of Ray Milland in The Lost Weekend.
"Two bottles of Rye. You know what brand, Mr. Brophy, the cheapest. None of that 12 year old aged in the wood chichi. Not for me. Liquor's all one anyway."
 
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RU4Real

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Not a rye fan, myself. I prefer bourbon mash bills with as little rye as possible and generally don't use it at all in my own projects.
 

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a bit slow-paced...


a bit peppier...


and Dave Mathews apparently saw Pete Seeger sing that..
 
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Templeton, ‘nuf said. Enjoying a Templeton Manhattan as I craft this reply.

Templeton is the standard LDI/MGP mashbill. It's exactly the same as multiple other ryes including Bulleit. They have also lost multiple lawsuits lying to their customers where the rye is sourced from and the recipe. If you want to pay less, get the exact same product, and not care about giving to a company that lies to you, I recommend going with something else like Bulleit or Dickel rye.

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2015/07/templeton-rye-is-still-lying.html?m=1
 

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Moonshiner using corn has no business singing Rye Whiskey!

Not so fast...

Rye Whisky: Whisky produced at not exceeding 80% alcohol by volume (160 proof) from a fermented mash of not less than 51 percent rye and stored at not more than 62.5% alcohol by volume (125 proof) in charred new oak containers.​
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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Not so fast...

Rye Whisky: Whisky produced at not exceeding 80% alcohol by volume (160 proof) from a fermented mash of not less than 51 percent rye and stored at not more than 62.5% alcohol by volume (125 proof) in charred new oak containers.​
I counter with the typical moonshine recipe.. (my comment was directed to the post of the Moonshiners" show clip of a moonshiner singing aversion of Rye Whiskey.

Heat 5 gallons of mash water up to 165F. Turn off heat when target temperature is reached and stir in the 8.5 pounds of corn. Stir the mash continuously for about 5 minutes then stir for a few seconds every five minutes until the temperature drops to 152F. Once the target temp is met, stir in the malted barley.Mar 29, 2013
I actually saw an episode or two of some moonshiners show.. and they seemed to all use corn.. sooo cheap. In fact.. cops in those hills coming across people with barrels of corn.. well.. they know what that's for.
 

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I counter with the typical moonshine recipe.. (my comment was directed to the post of the Moonshiners" show clip of a moonshiner singing aversion of Rye Whiskey.

Heat 5 gallons of mash water up to 165F. Turn off heat when target temperature is reached and stir in the 8.5 pounds of corn. Stir the mash continuously for about 5 minutes then stir for a few seconds every five minutes until the temperature drops to 152F. Once the target temp is met, stir in the malted barley.Mar 29, 2013
I actually saw an episode or two of some moonshiners show.. and they seemed to all use corn.. sooo cheap. In fact.. cops in those hills coming across people with barrels of corn.. well.. they know what that's for.


A couple of things.

First, the TV show is entirely, 100%, absolutely and completely fake.

Second, you can't make alcohol out of 100% corn and nothing else. The starches in the corn won't convert to sugar in the mashing process and so your fermentation will be unsuccessful. You need some form of catalytic enzyme. In a pure grain process, this comes from the malted barley. If you don't want any other grains in your mash then you have to use an enzyme additive such as amylase.

At any rate, my point is simply that even moonshiners don't typically deal in 100% corn because it tastes like lawn clippings. It's really quite awful. And rye, while not quite as cheap as corn, is pretty close - especially when you consider that it's conversion rate (fermentable sugars by weight) is very high.
 

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A couple of things.

First, the TV show is entirely, 100%, absolutely and completely fake.

Second, you can't make alcohol out of 100% corn and nothing else. The starches in the corn won't convert to sugar in the mashing process and so your fermentation will be unsuccessful. You need some form of catalytic enzyme. In a pure grain process, this comes from the malted barley. If you don't want any other grains in your mash then you have to use an enzyme additive such as amylase.

At any rate, my point is simply that even moonshiners don't typically deal in 100% corn because it tastes like lawn clippings. It's really quite awful. And rye, while not quite as cheap as corn, is pretty close - especially when you consider that it's conversion rate (fermentable sugars by weight) is very high.
We have established experts on various topics here, and 4Real is the "whisky guy." You disagree with him on whisky at your own peril. Numb3rs is the "weather guy." Frida is the "financials guy." Zap is the "baseball guy." bac is the "massively detailed basketball game analysis guy." Hudson is the "rip your heart out and saute it with a nice chianti before you know it's missing guy." It's just how it is.
 

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We have established experts on various topics here, and 4Real is the "whisky guy." You disagree with him on whisky at your own peril. Numb3rs is the "weather guy." Frida is the "financials guy." Zap is the "baseball guy." bac is the "massively detailed basketball game analysis guy." Hudson is the "rip your heart out and saute it with a nice chianti before you know it's missing guy." It's just how it is.

I did, however, slightly misspeak.

You CAN, in fact, produce a fine spirit from 100% corn and nothing else...

IF you first malt the corn.

I would recommend smoking it after it's malted ("smoke" as in "apply smoke to", a la brisket, as opposed to "put in your pipe and smoke it".)

At any rate, during the malting process the act of partial germination will begin to convert the corn starch into sugar and it ferments quite nicely. The added smoke, similar to what the Scots do to their barley, is to ensure that the resulting spirit doesn't smell and taste like the bottom of a John Deere.
 

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We have established experts on various topics here, and 4Real is the "whisky guy." You disagree with him on whisky at your own peril. Numb3rs is the "weather guy." Frida is the "financials guy." Zap is the "baseball guy." bac is the "massively detailed basketball game analysis guy." Hudson is the "rip your heart out and saute it with a nice chianti before you know it's missing guy." It's just how it is.
We need a cigar guru around here.
 

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RU4Real.. while that show is clearly fake.. as if they would break the law, video tape it, sell it to a cable network... but they would have no reason to fake using corn and never showing hide nor hair of rye or any other grain. But I bow to your knowledge in the matter.. the few episodes I saw talked about corn.. or was it corn meal? and they produced a clear product... which I was sure was actually water in mason jars.
 

RU4Real

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RU4Real.. while that show is clearly fake.. as if they would break the law, video tape it, sell it to a cable network... but they would have no reason to fake using corn and never showing hide nor hair of rye or any other grain. But I bow to your knowledge in the matter.. the few episodes I saw talked about corn.. or was it corn meal? and they produced a clear product... which I was sure was actually water in mason jars.

All distillate is clear. The color that you see in whiskey and dark rum is from the barrels in which it is aged.

A pure corn mash will always require additional enzymes to encourage saccharification (conversion of starch to sugar).

There's a web site called homedistiller.org. There's some good information on the parent site (I'm pretty sure the guy who runs it is an Aussie) but the forums are a treasure. Most of the really strong contributors are true moonshiners.
 
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All distillate is clear. The color that you see in whiskey and dark rum is from the barrels in which it is aged.

A pure corn mash will always require additional enzymes to encourage sacrification (conversion of starch to sugar).

There's a web site called homedistiller.org. There's some good information on the parent site (I'm pretty sure the guy who runs it is an Aussie) but the forums are a treasure. Most of the really strong contributors are true moonshiners.
What do you typically sacrifice when making your whisky?
 

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This thread makes me think of Ray Milland in The Lost Weekend.
"Two bottles of Rye. You know what brand, Mr. Brophy, the cheapest. None of that 12 year old aged in the wood chichi. Not for me. Liquor's all one anyway."
Trivia question. Where did he hide his booze?