RV - Camper demand- MSU events

[DAWGPOUNDROK]

Outside of home football games, how many of you travel to MSU via RV/ Campers for baseball, basketball, non football weekends? I am trying to determine overall RV demand outside of football season.

If you do travel outside of football, what parks are out there and what would you like to see? What rates are typical?

I am a real estate appraiser and have interviewed several parks in the area, but I am getting mixed responses on demand outside of football season. Thanks for your help!

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Are you thinking of building one out? Or appraising one?

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Prepare to pay $$

The RV market has exploded since covid. We have been in the market for mtb treks/camping/etc...and retail for used is happening these days. It's insane. Even projects are pricey.

 

[DAWGPOUNDROK]

Thanks guys. I am working on the feasibility of a small development 15-25 pads. I have interviewed several folks and although football season shows strong occupancies, the non football and baseball weekends are still undetermined. For an appraisal, you must project out the total annual revenue, all things considered. Basically, I am studying whether folks travel to starkville with RV's for baseball / basketball and other for non football events.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Tell the developer/investor they'll makes 10's or maybe 100's of dollars a year on that size RV park.***

Honestly I was hoping you were going on your own. I would love to invest in one in Starkville that actually sells the RV lots. You build it out for $15-25K per pad with full plumbing ,electrical, cable, and could sell them for $40-50K all day to the alumni.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

I believe that is the model used by the one behind the old Corky's Liquor Store where the Jitney/Winn-Dixie once was.

 

[PartTimeGenius]

With the new baseball complex they are working on, that demand could increase further. I know there's a plan to have some hookups at that facility, but I'd wager that some RVers would prefer to stay offsite.

 

[woozman]

Tell the developer/investor they'll makes 10's or maybe 100's of dollars a year on that size RV park.***

Honestly I was hoping you were going on your own. I would love to invest in one in Starkville that actually sells the RV lots. You build it out for $15-25K per pad with full plumbing ,electrical, cable, and could sell them for $40-50K all day to the alumni.

I have designed a couple “RV condo” developments back in the day. That is definitely the way to go. I don’t own a RV, but some owners I have spoken with like to buy their own lot so they can add gazebos, lighting, landscaping, etc. and they can show up on short notice without the reservation hassle.

ETA: you can charge even more for pull through lots (so they don’t have to back in). Only a little more real estate and pavement are required for each of those.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I believe Scott Sanders (of Welcome Home Beef) is developing RV lots north of the 12/82 junction.

 

[The Peeper]

RV's weren't allowed this year at Dudy Noble, I guess because of the no tailgating BS rule? In years past there were hook ups in the Reserved lot outside the LFL gate but I've seldom if ever seen more than half a dozen parked out there.

I don't do basketball at all so can't help you there.

There was a sign posted down South Montgomery about both a RV parking area to leave your rig as well as a hook up area but I haven't been down that way in months so not sure what happened to it. It was supposed to be at or near the intersection of Poor House and S Montgomery. I have a friend that occasionally pulls his camper up for games and he uses that old dumpy trailer park (The Pines) on Louisville, they take in some weekend only rigs but not sure how many they get. The other so called campgrounds in Starkville area are dumps, at least the ones I've driven through. The KOA may be ok at Oktibbeha County Lake but the lake is still mostly drained because of the broken dam so not much of a view out there.

 

[Smoked Toag]

I'm still waiting on the great sell-off. IT'S coming.....

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

2024 at the earliest. Still a big backlog of new orders. I just got this from Airstream the other day. Cutting production by 15% because of supply chain and labor issues.

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Got a 2022 cheaper than a used 2017 by ordering. My delivery has been pushed from October to January, which is fine by me since I can't really use it in the winter.

I listened to a few of the quarterly calls from the THO and WGO (big RV manufacturers) and they see tight retail inventories through at least 2022. The backlog of motorhome orders from Winnebago is up 323% year over year and it will take 2 years to fill all of the orders if no new ones came in. The next big wave ov RV buying is just getting kicked off in Europe as well.

With more flexible work conditions, lots of folks are going to continue using RV's for working vacations. The first increase in the used market will be lower end models. The RV newbies bought a lot of the lower end stick and tin models. That cohort will either upgrade or quit RVing first. In a recent survey half of RV owners are now under 55. 22% are 18-34 year olds. 84% of 18-34 year olds that currently own an RV plan to upgrade in the next 5 years.

There will definitely be a sell off, but it probably will take several years and will not be as big as we originally thought. Still lots of demand and prices will continue to climb because of inflationary pressures. New RV's are adding in lots of solar and lithium battery options that reduce the need for RV parks out west.

I was wrong in thinking I would be able to snag an RV used this year at a discount. Turns out industry experts are usually right. Just like they will be for housing.

https://www.rvia.org/go-rving-rv-owner-demographic-profile

 

[PhredPhantom]

We have on-campus sites from the Bulldog Club for football and baseball although we were not allowed to use our baseball site during our recent National Championship year. We need on-campus due to my wife’s physical issues because it allows her to use her electric scooter for mobility to get to the games and back and also gives us a place to go in case she needs to leave the game early.

The RV passes are not cheap and it takes forever to get on the them. We’ve had our baseball RV pass for about 4 years and we’re on the waiting list for about 5 years before we got one. We’ve had our football RV pass for at least 20+ years.

Also, the on-campus sites have electricity and water but no sewer hookups which is pretty inconvenient. Lot 26 for football RV parking is so un-level that once our RV is leveled, the *bottom step* at the entry door is *28”* off the ground. Not easy for a 69 year-old woman who must be transported everywhere in a wheelchair or electric scooter.

I get the impression that not one single person in the Bulldog Club knows anything about using an RV - or they just don’t care because they all live in or around Starkville and the games are a convenient drive for them, especially considering that they likely all have nearby parking passes and all-access passes to all the events. I could be wrong about that but I doubt it.

 

[Dawgbite]

I’ve been a RV pass holder for baseball and football for years. Outside of games I may have taken the RV to Starkville one or two times in the past ten years. It’s improving but Starkville isn’t an entertainment or culinary destination. That being said, I would be interested in getting in on a new park if that is the purpose of your inquiry.