Rutgers went 2 for 1
- Thread starter dpwhite
- Start date
And we lost. Funny how that works sometimes.
i wouldn’t say Geo’s shot was a particularly good one and it came in a set offense. He just made it with like 18 seconds left on the shot clock instead of 4
Wow 3 times this year under a minute and tied with a 2 for 1 opportunity
2-0 when we don’t take 2 for 1
0-1 when we go for 2 for 1
for the record
1. With 59 seconds it was more of a no brainer to go 2 for 1 vs PSU
2. Although I see both arguments I was for going 2 for 1 with 48 seconds (the other 2)
2-0 when we don’t take 2 for 1
0-1 when we go for 2 for 1
for the record
1. With 59 seconds it was more of a no brainer to go 2 for 1 vs PSU
2. Although I see both arguments I was for going 2 for 1 with 48 seconds (the other 2)
They didn't score a basket for 6 minutes and missed 2 FTs from their best player....kinda silly to blame the defense that slowed down a team to under 25 points in a half.
The game was lost in the 1st half and a non call or 2 by the refs on Yeboah getting hacked on the turnover, moving screen by PSU etc...RU was called for a moving screen by Myles Johnson at Illinois which was not the same as PSU essentially grabbing Yeboah and moving in front of him, vs being set.
....also there were no time outs so either
A. There was no discussion
B. Geo took it upon his self
A. There was no discussion
B. Geo took it upon his self
Barkley could have run for 3000 yards if he had Harrar blocking for him
Glad we went 2 for 1. It was the smart move. Anyone arguing otherwise? You can keep your opinion to yourself..it's laughable.
Pike decided not to plan for the second offensive possession. As he said in the post game he was only worrying about getting a stop. Same thing he’s said in 2 for 1 situations where he doesn’t go 2 for 1.
Just really bad preparation.
Just really bad preparation.
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
just a poorly coached team from an x's and o's perspective, for some reason people won't admit this though.
Disagree and thousand times. You prepare to make the stop there. Planning a play on offense is conceding they will hit a 3. Nobody in their right mind would say “okay after you let up a 3 we need to run xyz.” Nobody. We stopped them the last 7 trips down the court. You plan to stop them again and gets the ball to Geo to shoot foul shots. The worst coach in the world would be smart enough to do this.
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
I mean after the shot we had 26 seconds. There really shouldn't have to be much of a plan, all it had to be was to simply call a play. However, as we've discussed we really don't have plays. We don't really run any half court sets besides stuff that a middle school girls team would run. Sadly I'm not being sarcastic with that last statement that's how poorly coached we are on offense
I would agree if you have a timeout in your back pocket. In this case, horrible coaching sorry.
I’m not sorry. Planning to play offense is a loser mentality in that spot. No other way to say it.
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
no it's not lol. It's called being prepared.
This is like saying, in football. There's 22 seconds left on the oppositions 2 yard line and you need a score. You run the first play and say, "well **** it, if we don't score here we deserve to lose, let's not even plan out another play"
Lol you started a thread when MSU went 2 for 1 and won the game saying see they won! (when in reality it wasn’t even really a 2 for 1).
Your theory that all college coaches go for 2 for 1 and there’s only right decision was proven inaccurate. Should more college coaches go 2 for 1?
Probably.
It’s not a black and white decision though.
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
if given the opportunity to execute a 2 for 1 when your possession starts with 50-60 seconds left in a tie game you should do it every single time, with zero case to be made otherwise. It should be practiced daily.
Theres a huge difference between 50-54 seconds and 55-60 seconds with a 30 second shot clock and trying to get 2 possessions.
I would agree at 55-60 seconds you should attempt a 2-1. Also agree college coaches should be practicing it way more. There are so many tight games in college and one of the reasons coaches don’t always call it is probably because they don’t practice it enough so they’re not confident if can be executed.
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
50-54 seconds, you call the timeout if you have one and draw up a 10-12 second play which every team should have. That play could be as simple as JY take the ball and just go to the hole and chuck something up and maybe if you miss we get an offensive board put back by Myles. Again, the thing with the 2 for 1 is you are stealing a possession that you otherwise wouldn't have had. Another easier option here is the Nova game winning national championship play copied from the J Mitch 4 point play. A handoff 3 point attempt. Again, it's a can't lose scenario as you're stealing a possession.
Especially a team like us that goes 1 on 1 anyway, there's no advantage to waiting to go 1 on 1 vs just doing it right off the bat.
we went 2 for 1 but got two bad shots. not that it was because of the 2 for 1 that rushed us or anything. We also had a lot more time than we did against NW.
Geo's shot even though it went in was bad. The thing that killed us was Penn state had 3 fouls to give and for a lesser extent no timeouts. So even if we had a timeout and pikiell could draw something up Penn state was fouling before a shot goes up or once we started going towards the rim. Timeouts work both ways. Penn State would have benefited from a timeout but it would have been moronic since Rutgers was all out. So chambers had to roll the dice. i would assume that in a timeout chambers is saying let them burn some clock then foul, then repeat 1 or 2 more times... Geo picking up his dribble caused chaos that worked in Penn state's favor.
Geo's shot even though it went in was bad. The thing that killed us was Penn state had 3 fouls to give and for a lesser extent no timeouts. So even if we had a timeout and pikiell could draw something up Penn state was fouling before a shot goes up or once we started going towards the rim. Timeouts work both ways. Penn State would have benefited from a timeout but it would have been moronic since Rutgers was all out. So chambers had to roll the dice. i would assume that in a timeout chambers is saying let them burn some clock then foul, then repeat 1 or 2 more times... Geo picking up his dribble caused chaos that worked in Penn state's favor.
Last edited:
the had 3 fouls to give. the reason why they didnt foul was because it was chaotic. if rutgers would have composed themselves and setup a play penn state would have fouled. they would have done it again.
stop with offensive play bs. they run plays. they run them late in the game just like NW.
You know we have plays that we run all the time right? Like when you see geo lift up his hand holding up a finger or two that is a set play.
We closed out the last 6 minutes of the game on a 14-5 run.
Pikiell burned the last time out with 2:20 left down 2.this is what happen on last 6 possessions of game.
- Yeboah steal geo made layup (62-62)
- Jacob steal yeboah missed layup/turnover (62-62)
- Geo Foul/Stevens missed foul shots(62-62)
- Geo made jump shot (64-62
- dread 3 (64-65)
-Akwasi missed 3(64-65)
I just dont know what you are talking about when you say unprepared. 3 of our last 4 possessions were perfect. 1 bad possession means unprepared?
Not really sure what your point is. I disagree that allowing an easy layup is preferable to giving up that shot or that we should play defense there any differently than any other possession.
It does not matter how many facts you put in front of him. He is a dog with a bone. That's all. Now that he has decided that Pike is a bad coach he will repeat it as often as he can no matter how many accolades he wins or tournaments we go to.
Dog with a bone.
Disagree. We should have gone right to the rim, and they would have fouled and we would probably looking at an out of bounds play. Still believe a shot early in the 26 seconds remaining , could go in, could miss, and we can rebound, could be fouled and have to reset but all scenarios extend the game, and if they rebound we foul and even if they make their foul shots , we still have a chance for a 3 to tie. Geo dribbling back towards half court was worst scenario. Personally disappointed Young never got the ball to drive and set up one of the guys for a shot or a flush. It didn’t have to be a play just Jacob breaking down his defender, the lack of an offensive play is foolish. Plus even if you set up a play , you can miss the same shot Yeboah missed. We only needed a 2 so settling for a 3 was not necessary but he had a good look and hit one from that spot a few minutes earlier.
If you are running a full set YES. If your plan is to have Geo dribbling shot clock away intentionally then NO.