Rutgers vs Michigan State / Game #2 Thread

RUTrack94

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Well ... 11 point loss is kind of on track as RU has lost by 11 or less 5 times in a row to MSU.
 

higgins3

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Paid pretty close attention to Kiss's D tonight. It was actually pretty good. I'm sure that's why Pike gave him so many minutes. He gave us 10 points off the bench and is the only one who looked even half way decent covering Winston.
I did as well and noticed his defense.

Still, in a tight game where it's a matter of wills, not going up for rebounds is unacceptable. That one possession they could have used him.
 

PiscatawayMike

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What I find interesting, is that in the NCAA tourney, teams like MSU won't get all of those calls they're used to getting by the B1G officials. Also when MSU lost to Illinois at home and with Ward I think they shot under 50% from the FT line.
MSU was downright awful at the line vs. Indiana.
 
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RUJMM78

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We sure didn't get the best of the officiating.
Rutgers couldn't defend in the second half without fouling Michigan State drives to the basket.Foul Shots and Winston 3 pointers were the difference in the game.
 

Knights 1212

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We hit 52 % on free throws. Horrible. Doorson & Johnson really struggle and Kiss does of late as well. I don't know what happened to Mathis. He scored our first 2 baskets of the second half and I don't think he returned until the last 40 seconds or so. I just have no clue as to why. MSU completely shut down Geo in the second half. No one could guard Winston and I think Eugene missed 4 bunnies in the second half and Johnson missed one or two as well. We really did not play aggressive at all in the second half. That was very disappointing.
 

DHajekRC84

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Those were not big foul shots. He's made every big one he's had to this year.

Kiss is o fer his last 6. (0 fer 2, 0 fer 2, 0 fer 2)
He's 7 of 14 in league play.
He was indeed 5 for 5 vs. Nebby in that big win.
If you take that out he's 2 for 9.
A "shooter" or a driving guard has to be WAY better than that. Winning or losing. Every point/play matters.

Hey, I thought he played very well tonight. But you have to make free throws.
 

DHajekRC84

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We hit 52 % on free throws. Horrible. Doorson & Johnson really struggle and Kiss does of late as well. I don't know what happened to Mathis. He scored our first 2 baskets of the second half and I don't think he returned until the last 40 seconds or so. I just have no clue as to why. MSU completely shut down Geo in the second half. No one could guard Winston and I think Eugene missed 4 bunnies in the second half and Johnson missed one or two as well. We really did not play aggressive at all in the second half. That was very disappointing.

yep. why? (and please folks don't say the refs or MSU dictated it). Tired? (maybe).
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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This game was lost early in the second half on those missed bunnies by a player I won’t call out. Two missed bunnies at the rim. We should have sustained our 11 point lead. We didn’t, and MSU stepped on us. Unacceptable

Really.... there are 4 dudes implying that Peter Kiss lost the game for Rutgers? Not Eugene with only 9 points or McConnell with 1 or Baker only scoring 4 in the 2nd Half.
 

RUJMM78

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We hit 52 % on free throws. Horrible. Doorson & Johnson really struggle and Kiss does of late as well. I don't know what happened to Mathis. He scored our first 2 baskets of the second half and I don't think he returned until the last 40 seconds or so. I just have no clue as to why. MSU completely shut down Geo in the second half. No one could guard Winston and I think Eugene missed 4 bunnies in the second half and Johnson missed one or two as well. We really did not play aggressive at all in the second half. That was very disappointing.
Fans are expecting too much from this team with the limited offensive options on this team.Nobody knows game to game where the points are coming from and that is a real problem playing a top tier B1G opponent on the road.Rutgers played a very good first half where they dominated both sides of the court.In contrast the second half was a total disaster .Michigan State went on a sustained run and Rutgers didn't have one player step up and make some baskets to keep the game within a 10 point margin.Rutgers had no answers against a opponent that was playing without two star players which is a telling statement on the relative talent levels of both teams.
 
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bac2therac

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Kiss was actually overall okay in this game...4-8 shooting, 9 points, 0 turnovers, he played his role and got time because others were having issues. Kiss is not in the roll to win the game for RU. A couple of bad shots, but actually this was one of his better games in a month or so
 
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JQRU91

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This team needs someone like Jacob Young....A quick guard with a scorers mentality who can beat his man one on one and is also a quick perimeter defender.
You've been saying that since before the season began. I think you're right.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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Kiss was actually overall okay in this game...4-8 shooting, 9 points, 0 turnovers, he played his role and got time because others were having issues. Kiss is not in the roll to win the game for RU. A couple of bad shots, but actually this was one of his better games in a month or so

Bac....I do know one thing. He needs to drive more. He is good when he does, but, the agressiveness is not there.
 

RUsince52

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We either play pretty well as a team in spurts or can't stop the bleeding. When things go bad on the offensive end, they completely shut down including any FTs. Slow process, but getting better.
 

NickKnight 1

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I know....game day threads have become a Peter Kiss bash fest....while all the mistakes made by orhers are ignored. One of the strangest things I have seen on this board.
It is called discrimination, he is the token minority, the team has to keep him
according to the law.
 

kcg88

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Kiss was brought here to be a shooter and is 30% from 3 and 50% from the line in Big Ten play.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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Kiss was brought here to be a shooter and is 30% from 3 and 50% from the line in Big Ten play.

The bottom line Kiss has been bad, BUT there has been no, or little, separation between him and the others for the last 25+ minutes in the rotation.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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I agree with that. I don't think he's non-playable the way some others do.

Our identity has to be win the boards and win the 50/50s. I'd like to see everyone in the rotation at least 50%. kiss and a few others need some improvement here.
 

rudad02

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I think Rutgers ran out of luck because Michigan State played up to their potential in the second half and Rutgers lacks shooters to respond to opponents offensive spurts.
Maybe, but I think we ran out of gas.
 

goru7

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Maybe, but I think we ran out of gas.
They shot 20-22 from the line and 94% in the second half 17-18 whereas we shot 52% and 9-17 and a number of front ends of one and ones. We lost by 11. Huge difference in the game as well as for the first time in 8 games we were outrebounded and crushed 46-31 including the killer 5 possession moment when McQuaid hit the 3 to tie it at 40-40.
 

higgins3

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McConnell and Baker play best when they are together.

McConnell on the other unit struggled but the whole unit did as well.

Mc, Kiss, Mathis, Doorson, Eo.
 

rudad02

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They shot 20-22 from the line and 94% in the second half 17-18 whereas we shot 52% and 9-17 and a number of front ends of one and ones. We lost by 11. Huge difference in the game as well as for the first time in 8 games we were outrebounded and crushed 46-31 including the killer 5 possession moment when McQuaid hit the 3 to tie it at 40-40.
Yes. Think the tank was running out of gas.
 

kcg88

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Check out this crazy stat from a guy on Reddit:

Michigan State point differential in second halves this year:

46-28 (Rutgers)

37-13 (OSU)

30-21 (@Wisc)

44-31 (Minn)

42-38 (@Ill)

35-38 (vs IU, and outscored in OT obviously)

44-36 (@Purdue)

51-32 (@Iowa)

38-35 (MD, led 31-20 in the first half)

37-36 (@Neb)

31-32 (@PSU, led 40-24 in the first half)

38-33 (Purdue, led 39-26 in the first half)

50-34 (@OSU)

29-23 (NU, led 52-32 in the first half)

47-35 (Iowa)

39-30 (@Rutgers)
 

goru7

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Check out this crazy stat from a guy on Reddit:

Michigan State point differential in second halves this year:

46-28 (Rutgers)

37-13 (OSU)

30-21 (@Wisc)

44-31 (Minn)

42-38 (@Ill)

35-38 (vs IU, and outscored in OT obviously)

44-36 (@Purdue)

51-32 (@Iowa)

38-35 (MD, led 31-20 in the first half)

37-36 (@Neb)

31-32 (@PSU, led 40-24 in the first half)

38-33 (Purdue, led 39-26 in the first half)

50-34 (@OSU)

29-23 (NU, led 52-32 in the first half)

47-35 (Iowa)

39-30 (@Rutgers)
This shows what a great team and coach they have as they tweak whatever needs tweaking and adjust offensively or defensively but normally offensively they turn it up a notch but their second half defense against Ohio State and us was really filthy.
 

RUsince52

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Check out this crazy stat from a guy on Reddit:

Michigan State point differential in second halves this year:

46-28 (Rutgers)

37-13 (OSU)

30-21 (@Wisc)

44-31 (Minn)

42-38 (@Ill)

35-38 (vs IU, and outscored in OT obviously)

44-36 (@Purdue)

51-32 (@Iowa)

38-35 (MD, led 31-20 in the first half)

37-36 (@Neb)

31-32 (@PSU, led 40-24 in the first half)

38-33 (Purdue, led 39-26 in the first half)

50-34 (@OSU)

29-23 (NU, led 52-32 in the first half)

47-35 (Iowa)

39-30 (@Rutgers)
Something wrong. They should be tested for drugs.
 
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