Rutgers NIL needs you....NOW
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I know they have the opportunity to pursue an education but without football many of them would NOT be pursuing it at Rutgers or any other fine institutions. Football is their ticket to a great education and now we are supposed to pay them to enroll on top of granting them admission and a schollie? This whole NIL nonsense is going to kill college football. The superstars are simply going to sign with the highest bidder and coach, team, facilities, education, etc. will be mostly meaningless.
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Your premise is incorrect. We are NOT "supposed to pay them to enroll on top of granting them admission and a schollie". Rutgers, like most D1 schools, is not using NIL for upfront payments to incoming recruits.
When first proposed it was framed as universities make all this money off the student athletes and they should get their fare share. So why doesn't the university just pay them from the big piles of loot they're making? Why hit the fans up?
Then it was let them make money for lending out their likeness for local ads.
Now it's just give us money so we can pay some kid to come here. Are these even tax deductible? You're essentially paying someone a salary.
Then it was let them make money for lending out their likeness for local ads.
Now it's just give us money so we can pay some kid to come here. Are these even tax deductible? You're essentially paying someone a salary.
You don’t believe other schools are not or will not be financially procuring highly rated players?
You will need additional finance people in the institutional control department . Who is watching the hen house?
NFL minor league football. And the NFL gets it for free. WE get to pay for it for them. Nah. Not me.
Yeah you lost me. My point is that these football players are lucky to get the opportunity to play at schools like Rutgers because most of them wouldn’t be going to any top universities without football - their grades/scores alone wouldn’t cut it. So, we let them in for free to play football but now that’s not enough. On top of admission they otherwise would not be granted, and a free ride, they want to get paid. No thanks…
I'm really not sure what the arguments are here.
The NIL is here, it's not going away.
It's being used to pay college football players.
Either we, the Rutgers community step up, and Rutgers become competitive or Rutgers loses.
It's pretty simple.
The NIL is here, it's not going away.
It's being used to pay college football players.
Either we, the Rutgers community step up, and Rutgers become competitive or Rutgers loses.
It's pretty simple.
What happens when we pay and the kid gets better then leaves after one year for a bigger NIL?
You want to pay to be Pedd State's minor league team?
Not so simple now.
Oh and how much are you in for, because I've been paying for about 30 years and that wasn't enough apparently.
No still the same simple calculus, either we raise enough money to complete or we lose.
This is no more about getting the Trustees to make the right decision on a coach or getting the right AD, the landscape has shifted, it's about the money to the players.
Just redirect your money. Less money to the athletic dept. and more money to KTR. The players are going to be less worried about the facilities and will care more about the direct payments so send you money to KTR.
I see this happening as well. School will push funds that usually went to facilities to the players, which I don't think is a bad thing.
Good point. I also wonder if the schools that can't compete in obtaining good NIL deals for players AND aren't part of a major conference will simply drop out all together from college football, which will hurt the student athletes since they will have less opportunities to compete and get an education.
We are so fortunate to be part of the B10!
Win, lose or draw. Coaches salaries and now player salaries are a waste of $$. The greed is disgusting from both sides.
Greg is in a no win situation at this point IMO. Why do you think he is begging for donations? Answer: Mr. Hot Shot, high school recruit thinks he should not only receive a free education/housing/etc., but now thinks we should give him money to represent Rutgersas well. NIL is not about name, image and likeness...its "give me money" at this point and its being abused. @Geo_Baker_1 (is this him?) has been pretty quiet since NIL has blown up and is getting out of control. What say you Geo at this point? NIL is beyond f*+cked up and will only get worse.
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Nah. NIL with the new transfer lack of rules - it's a whole new ballgame - not the same calculus. Enjoy the free one year of Rutgers Education before you transfer out fellas. Nice NOT getting to know ya'll.
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I disagree with this. Per last year we had 20,000+ season ticket holders. if 10k+ contribute the hypothetical amount that would be 12Mil +. Add to that the additional contribution for non-season ticket holders and corporate sponsors and you are probably looking at $15-20Mil per year.
Below is the link to the total season tickets sales from last year.
I think NIL will give us a better chance than what we had in the past. Before it was an issue of RU not being cool/sexy enough, not having the tradition, or booster who were willing to do shady things to get a player to commit. Now all that WE have to do is raised the $$$$ using the current legal methods. We don't need to be 1 to compete, just be in the top 15-25 and be good at player evaluation and development.
I do think NIL is not going to be good long term for the bottom 10-20% of the players who might not have a school to attend to when in the past they could at least get a free education.
I wish that players could just be limited to scholarships. I wish that every team did that, but they don't. Everyone else is going to pay as much as their fans could afford. This is the reality we live in now. We're not going to get good players unless we can pay them well. If we don't get good players, we won't be competitive. Face reality and join.
Face reality and join, or face reality and don't join... But either way, there's nothing wrong with sticking to our principles and making the decision based on our own ethical beliefs and values...
Sticking to principles is great, but this is an unusual situation. Like I said, I wish all college athletes were limited to scholarships only. I always thought it would have been great if there was a minor football league just like there is in baseball. I wish HS players could have a choice to go play in the minors and earn a little money or put off going pro a little and go to college on a scholarship.
That minor league never happened and NIL is what we're dealing with now, no matter what you believe is right or wrong. I personally believe college athletes should not get paid. I don't want the player to receive my money for playing in college, but if we don't join, we're pissing away a huge opportunity. Everyone else is paying and if we don't pay, you can kiss the Big Ten goodbye along with that revenue and your school will disappear into oblivion.
So what are you going to do now ? I am seriously interested to know what this fandom looks like .
The fandom you talk about will only support Rutgers if it treats its players like it’s in the Patriot League while collecting those B10 checks.
Right. I'll be waiting by the mailbox for the letter from Rutgers Athletics telling me they dropped ticket prices by $20 each and I'm no longer required to pay a mandatory minimum donation, in hopes that I direct that money to the Pay Our Players collective.
Rutgers basketball lands their best recruit in years. Kids all over the country are returning to school to get a better education instead of leaving early. (Caleb McConnell included). Rutgers football head coach comes out and says WORD FOR WORD what I’ve been saying all along. People were cheating before and they’re cheating now. What WE can do at Rutgers is build a strong *** community built on fan experiences, interactions and networking. That’s what we are building at https://knightsociety.io/ i recommend you join our wait list! You don’t want to pool together money for athletes? Great, me neither. All members in knight society are going to get the fan experience of a lifetime. athletes will get a chance to interact and network with their biggest supporters like no other school gets. So no, it won’t be millions of dollars. But the experience that athletes will get from this could be worth millions in the future and that’s what we’re aiming for to start.
College sports has and always will be a business. I find it interesting that you are only upset once the athletes take part in that business. Tens of Thousands of lives are going to change because of NIL. Sure it’s been ugly at times but there’s also been twice as many beautiful stories to come from it too. Instead of complaining let’s think of ways that we would want to utilize a players NIL. What’s valuable to you? Maybe a 30 minute phone call from your favorite player? Watching a basketball game with your favorite player? Or football game? Having an athlete show up to your kid or grandkids birthday party? Video games? And maybe you don’t want any of this which is fine but that is all stuff that would be valuable to super fans. More creativity, less complaining.
We don’t have 20K season ticket holders, it’s 20K+ season tickets, held by 5,635 season ticket holders. We’re using nil to retain players, not to get them to commit.
The B1G let USC in for free, and they seem to be in a great position to capitalize on NIL.
The problem is that there are no rules or guidelines. After the Supreme Court decision, we have the Wild West. If the NCAA had their **** together, there would have been a set of rules or guidelines to follow.
Interesting discussion here.
The problem is that there are no rules or guidelines. After the Supreme Court decision, we have the Wild West. If the NCAA had their **** together, there would have been a set of rules or guidelines to follow.
Interesting discussion here.
I am just interested to see what longtime fans that say they’re done are gonna do . Does that mean watch and not contribute to NIL? Not watch ? Go to games and tailgates only to watch us get our asses kicked in the game ?
KTR didn’t. But how would I know if someone else did? Do you know?
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See that’s where it gets murky, as GS openly said that we are not involved with paying high school kids. He also said that we are in the retention phase, and did not rule up paying future high school kids. I would argue that this guy certainly deserved and hopefully was offered some kind of an IL deal, as you need these kids to come in and set the precedent, especially the in-state kids I can keep other kids home and show that we are committed to winning
You should read the post I was responding to. I’m not sure how you got that from my reply.
The B1G let USC in for free because what they bring to the table will make everyone whole as a result of the incremental revenue that will be realized. They will do the same for Notre Dame, if ND wants to come.
Because most universities like Rutgers lose money on sports. They make revenue which different than making money.
Getting a free education has been changing lives for decades.
I appreciate you responding. I hadn't noticed your input as of late (but I wasnt specifically searching either) to find your latest views on NIL now that we hear of pretty much outright buying of players. You misinterpreted my response as well. I'm not against players benefitting from NIL, but unfortunately the abuses for the intent which NIL was made are taking those instances to forefront of the conversation. And that is what I wanted your input on. As an aside, you mentioned getting our best MBB recruit and players staying in school as a benefit of NIL. Maybe I'm just a little too old school, but the players you cited, plus hundreds of thousands of others across the country, benefit from scholarships to receive free/reduced tuition and accommodations. With NIL, athletes are now expecting to be paid on top of the other benefits they are already receiving to commit their "loyalty" to an institution. What happens when the next big offer comes along from a wealthy fanbase and hoards the best players? That loyalty will vanish for a good amount pretty quickly. Basically, its going to frequently come down to who is the highest bidder (probably the case with Bisontis). With the NCAA transfer rules/portal and NIL, this will not age well IMO. There isnt an endless supply of money to sustain a bidding war for many institutions...at least not from the fanbase. Again, I'm not against NIL and the way it seemed it was intended and you made many good points how it could benefit fans and athletes. I wanted your viewpoints on the ugliness some of it has become as you have had a hand in the game from the very beginning.
We currently have more than just 5,635 season ticketholders.
I’m sure we do, but this is the last reported figure that I’ve seen. Probably not far from it.
Agreed. But If you aren’t inside high major d1 money making sports then you wouldn’t understand. Do you remember the UNC fake classes scandal? It happens everywhere. Athletes are expected to perform in their sports first because that’s what brings the money in. Rutgers is one of the few schools that is pretty good about placing student athletes in good courses but it still comes to a point where players have to make a choice if they want to take that difficult major or go an easier route and take their sport more seriously. As competitors 99 percent of us take the easier school route as a sacrifice for our sport. This ends up hurting kids farther down the line. NIL not only keeps kids in college but also creates a new form of education on business, taxes, marketing, networking, etc… those communication and sports management degrees that every athlete is cake walking through doesn’t exactly create large wealth opportunities down the line. If they weren’t sacrificing for their sport and had more time to explore I’m sure most athletes would choose different degrees. And yes it’s the route WE chose and the sacrifices that we made. But NIL should still always be allowed and should be encouraged considering the sacrifices
Like the system or not, I think you’ve nailed it