Rutgers NIL needs you....NOW

[rufeelinit]

No one is putting down the spending choices you make. Why do you feel you need to throw shade on how others choose to spend their hard earned money?

Also, ZERO nil dollars from Knights of The Raritan has gone to high schoolers. ALL of the NIL money has gone to high performing Rutgers upperclassman. So that part of your argument is total BS.

Sometimes saying (or posting) nothing is clearly the best choice.

So we never offered Bisontis a financial package to come here?

 

[RULoyal]

So we never offered Bisontis a financial package to come here?

Not through the KTR collective. Their mission statement indicates it's for existing RU athletes.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

What’s the difference between donating for a building that only players will use versus donating to the player directly? I don’t understand this logic at all. People are fine to donate to coaches bloated salaries, but god forbid kids who actually are doing all the work get a slice.

Is it jealousy or what? Can’t wrap my head around the stance of the “never NIL” folks in here.

It’s a very simple logic tree…. Do you want Rutgers to be competitive and attract/retain good players? If yes, the best and most direct way to do that is donate to NIL. End of story.

The sport can't survive it and it will ultimately harm most future prospective college athletes.

 

[RUBlackout7]

The sport can't survive it and it will ultimately harm most future prospective college athletes.

Maybe, maybe not. I mostly see this shifting money from the ridiculous arms race (facilities abs coaches salary) to the players.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Maybe, maybe not. I mostly see this shifting money from the ridiculous arms race (facilities abs coaches salary) to the players.

When teams (schools) drop out of the arms race altogether, the kids who would have received a college education at those schools will be harmed. And it is going to happen.

 

[Knight177lb]

It is one thing to donate money to help build an athletic facility on campus or fund a scholarship, but why would anybody actually be advocating that a fan donate directly to a fund that will help make a player and his family millionaires? Not only that, but the player is not even under contract to play for you for x amount of years, he can take your money and then transfer to another university and take their money next year. Maybe it is just me, but I wasn't put on this planet to work and take money out of my own family's pocket to give to an 18-22 year old so he can buy a Mercedes, fancy clothes, plenty of bling and whatever other material items just so on a fall Saturday I can have bragging rights over another school's football fans for a year. Makes no sense to me.

I highly doubt we're going to make any Rutgers player a millionaire while in college. That's the least of my worries. We should be concerned about being competitive in the future. It's going to hard to keep up with the teams that have large fan bases. If everyone joins with a little, then we won't need to rely on the generosity of a few.

 

[RUAldo]

I was going to say the opposite. Coaches always solicit money for donations to schools. Now, the changes with NIL means there are two avenues how donations can help. @RUforlife, why shouldn’t the kids get a piece of the pie. Why is it ok for coaches and schools to get millions from the game these kids play.

These kids are getting admission and a schollie to a great university. We all know many of the recruits wouldn’t sniff a school like RU if they didn’t play football. And now we should pay them on top of giving them an opportunity and free college education? Lower admission standards for athletes…free college education…plus a bag full of NIL money. Yeah, makes perfect sense. I like winning as much as the next guy but this will not end well for 90%+ of D1 schools.

 

[RUBlackout7]

I highly doubt we're going to make any Rutgers player a millionaire while in college. That's the least of my worries. We should be concerned about being competitive in the future. It's going to hard to keep up with the teams that have large fan bases. If everyone joins with a little, then we won't need to rely on the generosity of a few.

We won’t, million dollar deals will be rare all around. I think Kyk has it right where the different position groups will be funded anywhere from $50k-$1M. That would be competitive and will attract 4 star recruits and transfers.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

We won’t, million dollar deals will be rare all around. I think Kyk has it right where the different position groups will be funded anywhere from $50k-$1M. That would be competitive and will attract 4 star recruits and transfers.

He’s exactly right
GS mentioned that at the TD Club meeting
That’s the model if you want to compete

 

[RUforlife]

Not true. Other schools dont have $8.4 mill budgets for players. And lets say hypothetically ohio state has a $13 mill budget (their goal). Theyre going to have some top 10 draft picks who demand 7-figures. We can then scoop the measley 4*’s because we can offer them similar or even more money + more on field opportunity.

Neither do we, that is just fantasy. And if it ever did come close to fruition the other schools in our division/conference would not stand by and almost all of them have fans that will dig deeper into their pockets than ours.

 

[brgRC90]

Not at first they don't. NFL DRAFT sound familiar? They have that to promote parity.. fairness... same with salary caps. The day will soon come where a college freshman made more as a freshman than the deal he gets in the NFL.. where he might evn go undrafted.

Yes.. I think the vast majority of programs should split away from those paying riddiculous NIL money. Let them play eachother and call themselves National Champions. Going along with this ridiculous PAY TO WIN plan is not in the best interests of the majority of programs or athletes or college sports as a whole. When Rutgers cut some olympic sports to help limit athletic spending there was an outcry... that is going to continue as donors shift from donating to the school to donating to athletes from a specific sport. There are so many perfectly forseeable bad outcomes from this movement that it should be opposed strongly and collectively now. But it won't be. And that's sad.

I wonder how many schools will be able to keep up right from the start. I can't imagine all but a small number of donors at notorious programs will really want to pony up millions for specific players instead of teams, athletic departments and schools. And when millions were donated to a school in the past it often went to facilities that would last for decades. With NIL millions will have to be continually raised each year in perpetuity for players who disappear after a couple of seasons (some of whom will bomb out and prove bad investments). It will be like the periodic funding drives necessary to buy out a bad coach only it will take place every single year with larger dollar amounts. Even donors at places like Notre Dame might get tired of writing endless checks.

 

[RUforlife]

What’s the difference between donating for a building that only players will use versus donating to the player directly? I don’t understand this logic at all. People are fine to donate to coaches bloated salaries, but god forbid kids who actually are doing all the work get a slice.

Is it jealousy or what? Can’t wrap my head around the stance of the “never NIL” folks in here.

It’s a very simple logic tree…. Do you want Rutgers to be competitive and attract/retain good players? If yes, the best and most direct way to do that is donate to NIL. End of story.

An athletic facility will be used by 1,000s of student athletes plus coaches, trainers, etc. It can impact many lives, as opposed to paying one player for his services so he can buy his cars, women, clothes, and bling, for which by the way he is not under contract, he can still transfer the next year. If you don't see the difference then there is really no point to discussing the issue any further with you.

 

[Jtung230]

These kids are getting admission and a schollie to a great university. We all know many of the recruits wouldn’t sniff a school like RU if they didn’t play football. And now we should pay them on top of giving them an opportunity and free college education? Lower admission standards for athletes…free college education…plus a bag full of NIL money. Yeah, makes perfect sense. I like winning as much as the next guy but this will not end well for 90%+ of D1 schools.

And coaches can’t teach college classes. I don’t understand your point.

 

[Jtung230]

Looks like NW or IL will get a good recruiting class soon. Mega million winner in the Chicago area.

 

[RUBlackout7]

An athletic facility will be used by 1,000s of student athletes plus coaches, trainers, etc. It can impact many lives, as opposed to paying one player for his services so he can buy his cars, women, clothes, and bling, for which by the way he is not under contract, he can still transfer the next year. If you don't see the difference then there is really no point to discussing the issue any further with you.

Oh please spare me on the grand impact facilities have on players lives. That’s laughable. Yeah like renovating the weight room and locker room every 3 years is really making a difference in their lives. Nobody is saying stop investing in facilities, but a slow down was long overdue.

You know what would make a difference for a lot of these players? $50k so their mother can afford a car to work.

Also, you have no idea what the contracts look like so stop pretending that you do.

 

[RUforlife]

Oh please spare me on the grand impact facilities have on players lives. That’s laughable. Yeah like renovating the weight room and locker room every 3 years is really making a difference in their lives. Nobody is saying stop investing in facilities, but a slow down was long overdue.

You know what would make a difference for a lot of these players? $50k so their mother can afford a car to work.

Also, you have no idea what the contracts look like so stop pretending that you do.

50k are you serious? 50k ain't keeping anybody from being poached. Schiano is talking real money and you are talking 50k, that's laughable. Put another zero on that # and then maybe you can keep a few, but anybody who has a break out season will be poached even at that #.

 

[RUBlackout7]

50k are you serious? 50k ain't keeping anybody from being poached. Schiano is talking real money and you are talking 50k, that's laughable. Put another zero on that # and then maybe you can keep a few, but anybody who has a break out season will be poached even at that #.

I used that as an example. And yes, for some players $50k will be enough to keep them in their seats.

 

[tico brown]

People here are not going to put in money into NIL, saying that “that is not college football.” But will complain when other B10 programs have the fans who will put the money into their NIL funding and get the players that “would’ve gone to Rutgers if the players were not all for the money.”

But some of the same fans will have no problem putting money into Schiano’s extension or whatever it takes to keep him here.

 

[RUBOB72]

For the top players highly rated those 3 and more so 4 **** will be according to this created NIL command some B1G $$$$ I’m a Greg Schiano fan but even he knows this is not going to be easy.I said earlier within the next several days to a week one of the paper rags will come out against it regarding Rutgers. Almost a guarantee on that.

 

[RUBlackout7]

People here are not going to put in money into NIL, saying that “that is not college football.” But will complain when other B10 programs have the fans who will put the money into their NIL funding and get the players that “would’ve gone to Rutgers if the players were not all for the money.”

But some of the same fans will have no problem putting money into Schiano’s extension or whatever it takes to keep him here.

Ding ding. Makes no sense.

 

[RULoyal]

For the top players highly rated those 3 and more so 4 **** will be according to this created NIL command some B1G $$$$ I’m a Greg Schiano fan but even he knows this is not going to be easy.I said earlier within the next several days to a week one of the paper rags will come out against it regarding Rutgers. Almost a guarantee on that.

I don’t think there are too many folks here that would contribute to Schiano’s salary.

 

[1devotedfan]

Today I agree with Politi
"Schiano knows some people — hell, many people — in the Rutgers fan base might not like it.
He knows something that they like even less: Losing."
I joined KTR today

 

[RUScrew85]

An athletic facility will be used by 1,000s of student athletes plus coaches, trainers, etc. It can impact many lives, as opposed to paying one player for his services so he can buy his cars, women, clothes, and bling, for which by the way he is not under contract, he can still transfer the next year. If you don't see the difference then there is really no point to discussing the issue any further with you.

Agreed. I'm not paying some kid to get better so he can walk away the next year.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I just joined at a modest level after previously expressing my opposition. I would like to explain my change of heart, in case it may influence others.

Previously, I had viewed KTR membership as a charitable contribution. In that context I could not justify it. Still can't. I support various charities at various levels, and they are all more important to me than Rutgers Athletics.

Then I looked at it differently - as entertainment expense. Simply put, my enjoyment of attending RU games (which I will do in any event) is enhanced if the team is good. In that context, it's similar to upgrading my seat location or renting Knight Kushions.

Put another way, I can't justify membership for altruistic purposes, but I can for utilitarian purposes.

One last thought - I am not an alum and do not have the same emotional connection to the University and its student-athletes that many on this board do. To some, the well-being of RU student-athletes is a very valid charitable concern. If that's you, then by all means include KTR in your charitable contribution budget.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

I just joined at a modest level after previously expressing my opposition. I would like to explain my change of heart, in case it may influence others.

Previously, I had viewed KTR membership as a charitable contribution. In that context I could not justify it. Still can't. I support various charities at various levels, and they are all more important to me than Rutgers Athletics.

Then I looked at it differently - as entertainment expense. Simply put, my enjoyment of attending RU games (which I will do in any event) is enhanced if the team is good. In that context, it's similar to upgrading my seat location or renting Knight Kushions.

Put another way, I can't justify membership for altruistic purposes, but I can for utilitarian purposes.

One last thought - I am not an alum and do not have the same emotional connection to the University and its student-athletes that many on this board do. To some, the well-being of RU student-athletes is a very valid charitable concern. If that's you, then by all means include KTR in your charitable contribution budget.

The bolded is EXACTLY how I feel. As ive said a ton now, at $100/month id prefer a contender for $4200 total than 4-8 for $3000 total

 

[brgRC90]

There is so much money in the New York metropolitan area, almost $2 trillion per year, more than the entire countries of Russia or South Korea. If Rutgers wants to tap into that it needs to win and it seems like at this point basketball is much more likely to make waves in the near future and bring fans to the university. The best way to help the football team is probably to throw money at the basketball team.

 

[RUforlife]

I just joined at a modest level after previously expressing my opposition. I would like to explain my change of heart, in case it may influence others.

Previously, I had viewed KTR membership as a charitable contribution. In that context I could not justify it. Still can't. I support various charities at various levels, and they are all more important to me than Rutgers Athletics.

Then I looked at it differently - as entertainment expense. Simply put, my enjoyment of attending RU games (which I will do in any event) is enhanced if the team is good. In that context, it's similar to upgrading my seat location or renting Knight Kushions.

Put another way, I can't justify membership for altruistic purposes, but I can for utilitarian purposes.

One last thought - I am not an alum and do not have the same emotional connection to the University and its student-athletes that many on this board do. To some, the well-being of RU student-athletes is a very valid charitable concern. If that's you, then by all means include KTR in your charitable contribution budget.

Simple question, if Schiano gets his money is he now going to be held to the same standard of producing a winning product on the field as every other major college coach, or does he still get this over the top idol worship and admiration from some fans based on his first tenure?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Simple question, if Schiano gets his money is he now going to be held to the same standard of producing a winning product on the field as every other major college coach, or does he still get this over the top idol worship and admiration from some fans based on his first tenure?

Not sure if that question was meant to be directed to me, but I have no idea, not do I particularly care.

 

[RUforlife]

Not sure if that question was meant to be directed to me, but I have no idea, not do I particularly care.

It was meant for the general audience, say he got $5-8 mil per year to pay players from a bunch of working class stiffs does he still get year after year of free passes for producing losing teams on the field under the guise of the forever rebuild, or is he held accountable for the results on the field, i.e., if he has another bad year his *** is on the hot seat, two and he is out?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

There is so much money in the New York metropolitan area, almost $2 trillion per year, more than the entire countries of Russia or South Korea. If Rutgers wants to tap into that it needs to win and it seems like at this point basketball is much more likely to make waves in the near future and bring fans to the university. The best way to help the football team is probably to throw money at the basketball team.

It worked for UConn and Syracuse (Villanova, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Temple) - those schools' athletic departments have really taken off.

 

[RUScrew85]

Stay tuned for semi-pro 19 year old first year Rutgers Football transfers with no real connection to the school post videos criticizing fans for not showing up to the games anymore. L O L.

 

[RUBOB72]

I don’t think there are too many folks here that would contribute to Schiano’s salary.

We already did , do and have past, present and hopefully future but I ain’t too sure today that he will be here if we can’t figure this out. The guy is not stupid. Maybe Rutgers has some magic hidden away. Maybe we can win the B1G the next two years and a NATTY . Then you ‘ll get the guys you need to match the others.

 

[RUBOB72]

It worked for UConn and Syracuse (Villanova, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Temple) - those schools' athletic departments have really taken off.

No not really ….WTF are you drinking today? You think if we can’t pay for the top they can . Maybe I’m misunderstanding our position in sports 2022 and a few of those others. Nova and maybe UConn but I don’t think so. Got to go enjoy the fun.

 

[RUBOB72]

Ding ding. Makes no sense.

I ‘ll wait and see it’s on you folks who think this is an easy thing….it’s not.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

No not really ….WTF are you drinking today? You think if we can’t pay for the top they can . Maybe I’m misunderstanding our position in sports 2022 and a few of those others. Nova and maybe UConn but I don’t think so. Got to go enjoy the fun.

I was being sarcastic. Donating to basketball in hopes it will improve football is a terrible idea (and has been demonstrated to be so repeatedly over the last 30 years). The only schools with superior basketball programs that were able to escape their failing conference is UCLA. Meanwhile ... Kansas, UConn, Syracuse, Duke, North Carolina, Baylor ... they would all leave their conferences in a heartbeat and nobody (except for North Carolina, maybe) will take them.

 

[RUBOB72]

Really? Sounded pretty convincing and their are several that have big time donors

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

Even if magically got every season ticket holder to donate $1,200 you still not going to be a title contender. Likely you are just going to spend $1,200 more for the same product because every other school is doing the same thing. It a losing proposition.

Truth. This dude thinks his 1200 extra dollars will will make RU a “title contender”. Sucker

 

[RUAldo]

And coaches can’t teach college classes. I don’t understand your point.

If you are suggesting that RU football players aren’t expected to pursue an education as student-athletes then let’s move on from college football altogether because RU and the state of NJ doesn’t need to own a semi-pro football team.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Truth. This dude thinks his 1200 extra dollars will will make RU a “title contender”. Sucker

Yeah - what a sucker
He wants to donate money to potentially see a winner
****, he even posts on message boards with fellow fans

I bet he even goes to games - maybe he goes a few hours before, throws some burgers on the grill and has a few beers with his buddies, hoping for a competitive game and even a win

What a ******* loser

 

[Doctor Worm]

If you are suggesting that RU football players aren’t expected to pursue an education as student-athletes then let’s move on from college football altogether because RU and the state of NJ doesn’t need to own a semi-pro football team.

They have the opportunity to pursue an education.

They are expected to do enough to remain eligible.

Big difference.