It’s going to be used like schiano said to keep our best players so others don’t poach them . If a fan can’t get behind that what our coach is specifically saying we need to do this to be competitive, I don’t know what to say.
Rutgers NIL needs you....NOW
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Did you attend Rutgers? Not meant to be an inflammatory or condescending question. Because I do think the point of view of a non-alumni fan could be different than an alumni. Asking because of your choice of the word fan in your post. Never considered myself a fan of Rutgers as much as an alumni or part of the school.
Even if magically got every season ticket holder to donate $1,200 you still not going to be a title contender. Likely you are just going to spend $1,200 more for the same product because every other school is doing the same thing. It a losing proposition.
How about poaching and tampering should be regulated and eliminated?
wouldn’t that be easier than asking your fan base for money to keep our good players on the roster
Ok so you want system wide reform . I agree the system sucks.
Fans can’t control that . Fans can control NIL donations. For us to complain about the system does us no good . It’s sour grapes.
Yay. The "real fan" police are out again.
Sour grapes?
Really!
Seems to me anyone who realizes bag money and NIL isn’t going away and will completely allow the blue bloods to distance themselves from us….Would acknowledge the one fighting chance we have to retain our best developed players found through superior scouting would be to close free agency.
Because we can’t compete with free agency and poaching, you should admit that, and no level of our fanbase contributing money will change it.
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Eventually the NIL side hustle stuff has to give way to something organized by the schools and leagues. Meanwhile, I gave to KoR.
I completely get behind Greg and what he is saying and trying to do. He has no choice. It is now part of his job. And I appreciate anyone that is helping support this.
But it goes against everything I feel a fan should take responsibility for by being a fan. We already do this in a way- when a school or a pro sports team wants more money, they have always raised our ticket prices, etc
To be honest- like a few very long time supportive fans, college sports is having a very tough time even keeping me interested at this point. Between the gambling, portal, NIL - I am losing interest.
Yes , it’s sour grapes . You’re just complaining and threatening to not be a fan .
As fans , what is the solution ? Keeping complaining ? Or try to do something to support the team and its NIL efforts ?
This thinking that $ 100 per month is going to change the trajectory with some of the more affluent schools is silly. Unless changes are made to the current system as Zap has reiterated we will still not be at the level needed. We need NJ corporations and some wealthy ( not just the average working person) to organize along with this new Rutgers initiative.. The teams we are in competition for with top flight players take this seriously. Here’s the point: many of us donate yearly but unless forced to most give as little as possible. It has been this way for all the years I have participated. We need to involve the entire community in this goal. I remember seeing how little the “average “ Rutgers donor was able or cared to give yearly. Not a good number.Watch when our media friends start knocking us for even suggesting ways to compete monetarily.
I will always be a Rutgers fan, I will not be a fan off college football in its current form.
I will not support something I don’t believe in
Maybe we could pool our money and come up with enough to pay Geo Baker to hold a pep rally in this thread and lecture us on how great the new system is for Rutgers?
Annnndddd……. Still no ideas how to compete in the new landscape, while lecturing former players who gave their heart to this university
Nobody has any ideas (because there aren't any). Win the lotto is not a financial plan.
Here's the kicker to what you said. A $1,200 donation will be surpassed by (insert any big name school here) in a heart beat. NIL will not age well IMO and it will be a money grab with the higher/highest bidder winning. Well, it already is a money grab but it will get worse.
I’ve provided multiple
You’ve disregarded them bc “they haven’t worked in the past”
Wheels are in motion w KOR
Large corporations are next on the agenda per GS at TD club meeting
It’s very simple - we either step up $$ wise or continue getting our asses handed to us on a regular basis
incessantly bitching about what hasn’t worked previously while bemoaning the current landscape will lead to the latter
I’d rather take a proactive approach in an effort to change the dynamics - tailgates are fun, but enthusiasm gets dampened when teams repeatedly go in dry
I felt this way prior during MBB season when the players from various schools first presented this new NIL plan. Too many uncontrolled aspects and the NCAA ( shills) sat there on the side watching. We are in a premier conference. We have a great area that loves sports but we were not in the position of the top 25 programs in support financially. unless that’s changed? We are not in a strong position . If the power is not controlled where we have the poaching and bag men then you may as well forget about it for now.Wait until NY / NJ media weighs in on this KOR … it is a worthy program but can almost guarantee there will be an outcry of some negativity. At least Murphy seems on board.. for now.
The real kicker is why a guy from a hated rival comes onto the board, deflects blame for multi-year, institutional child rape, then try’s to lecture the fan base of a team he’s directly competing with on why something won’t work, especially when he has no earthly idea what we’re doing to get it going and what the long term ramifications will be from said plan
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Let me be clear, i will not knock anyone who decides not to participate. Im merely just sharing my view of it and what the potential COULD be. For the first time ever, we as fans have an opportunity to legitimately have an impact on having a perennial title contender on the field. My simpleton view is I’ll spend $4200/yr to watch a contender for titles than $3,000/yr to watch a team that gets steamrolled against any team with a pulse
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Not true. Other schools dont have $8.4 mill budgets for players. And lets say hypothetically ohio state has a $13 mill budget (their goal). Theyre going to have some top 10 draft picks who demand 7-figures. We can then scoop the measley 4*’s because we can offer them similar or even more money + more on field opportunity.
Perhaps accepting a NIL deal could be an unbreakable contract that ropes them into that one school. That way, surprise stars cannot be poached.
I think about how we got Brian Leonard and Ray Rice... with BL, Syracuse backed off their offer to his injured brother... but if BL had a lucrative NIL deal all ready to be signed.. maybe he doesn't change schools... and with Rice.. iirc, Cuse fired the coach he liked... but agin.. if the coach changed but an NIL deal had attracted him and would be honored.. maybe he sticks with them. Now.. keeping these two after it became obvious they were stars... that is the legit concern today.
Heck.. we lost players just because they got offers from bigger name programs pre-NIL.. Dahntay Jones, Rosario, Blackshear (now a rookie with the Bills), etc.. without some kind of contractual obligation, this will happen more and more... and, of course, the programs with the money to buy athletes are all for it.
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The cost of competing just went up because of the NIL.
Either the fans pay more or Rutgers loses.
It's fairly simple.
Either the fans pay more or Rutgers loses.
It's fairly simple.
I thought the abbreviation was KTR - at least that is what the organizers of the collective use. This is from one of their recent posts "The Knights of The Raritan (KTR) will be hosting our first members event on Tuesday, July 26th, 5-8pm at Tavern on George in NB."
Why would you possibly think this is the "first time ever?" You could always donate as much money to the Athletics Department as your heart desired. Hell, you could have (and still could) donate $15 million a year specifically earmarked for hiring Nick Saban; that would have an impact on having a perennial title contender.
The problem was never that the Rutgers fanbase (administration, faculty, staff, students, alumni, local media, politicians) didn't have an "opportunity" to participate. The problem has always been that the Rutgers fanbase did not (and does not) have enough collective desire to participate in a meaningful way.
Neither do we. There are like 25-30 schools that will come up with that kind of money (and Rutgers isn't one of them).
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Yup. Again, I hate the concept of NIL but lets take this by the balls and then shove it in the blue bloods face when we dont die. Bad news for our enemies; we woke up today
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Im gonna go out on a limb and say money in kids pockets drives them to a school more than a new piece of steel
Nobody in the NFL asks for donations to pay player salaries; the money comes from TV and ticket/merchandise revenue. College football has ticket and TV revenue yet demands ever-larger amounts of donations, too--allegedly non-profit organizations. The conferences are insanely lopsided in their strength and payouts and can change without warning; teams get to fill out much of their own schedules; trips to bowl games are often a money-losing proposition for the schools that go. It's the worst of everything for a sports league. There is a reason no other sports league operates this way.
Think about teams like Miami under Mario Cristobal. Does anyone not believe Miami’s bagmen won’t be still active ? Now insert teams such as A&M ,Texas, The OSU, PSU, Notre Dame Michigan , OKie State and Oklahoma, , NC, Duke just to name a few. There are perhaps another 20-30 who will circumvent the system anyway they can. Not saying that’s wrong by the way, I just would prefer we were not over stating this $$$$$ aspect.,Imagine getting possible 100mil per year from TV and still sweating it out.
NFL players don’t ask for donations because they get paid. Players do go to the highest bidder.
So your solution is to do nothing, have consistently poor recruiting classes and fall to the bottom of the B1G every year?
What a loser attitude because you’re too cheap at the end of the day.
If this was now considered officially “ football’s minor leagues” would you continue to support these teams as before? Would you care and watch like it’s the NFL? I’d rather watch Pop Warner until they began paying those kids. Never had a problem with compensation for these athletes but now I feel many around the country are saying somebody needs to reign this in before it crashes to earth.
Not at first they don't. NFL DRAFT sound familiar? They have that to promote parity.. fairness... same with salary caps. The day will soon come where a college freshman made more as a freshman than the deal he gets in the NFL.. where he might evn go undrafted.
Yes.. I think the vast majority of programs should split away from those paying riddiculous NIL money. Let them play eachother and call themselves National Champions. Going along with this ridiculous PAY TO WIN plan is not in the best interests of the majority of programs or athletes or college sports as a whole. When Rutgers cut some olympic sports to help limit athletic spending there was an outcry... that is going to continue as donors shift from donating to the school to donating to athletes from a specific sport. There are so many perfectly forseeable bad outcomes from this movement that it should be opposed strongly and collectively now. But it won't be. And that's sad.
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What’s the difference between donating for a building that only players will use versus donating to the player directly? I don’t understand this logic at all. People are fine to donate to coaches bloated salaries, but god forbid kids who actually are doing all the work get a slice.
Is it jealousy or what? Can’t wrap my head around the stance of the “never NIL” folks in here.
It’s a very simple logic tree…. Do you want Rutgers to be competitive and attract/retain good players? If yes, the best and most direct way to do that is donate to NIL. End of story.