Rutgers NIL needs you....NOW
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He asked for money to get things built like the indoor football center. He wasn’t asking for money to pay players directly.
Always appreciate hearing from you.
and agree that having athletes come back for an extra year of play and education is great for everyone and even more so for that player. A Rutgers education is very valuable. My son had a few years in the NFL but his Rutgers education has opened doors to an even more valuable career outside of sports.
With that said- at Rutgers, we have Sports Academic like Scott Walker and Randi Larson and many others that take it very serious. So coming back for that final year is very valuable- the shame is…so many Universities out there are going to bring these athletes back for a final year solely for the sport and many will go more the way of the NC class scam then our way.
NIL could be used so much better for everyone if it was done correctly.
The market is determining the value of these players, not the demands of Mr. Hot Shot recruit. And the market is saying that their value is greater than the free education and housing, and that is what they will be getting paid for.
Between NIL and expansion, college football could die a slow death.
While we are blessed to have a seat at the big boy table.It is unfortunate that
we are probably the least prepared program in the country to finance NIL.
While other schools were honing their fundraising skills ( for decades), we were in ”Bigger time football” mode.
Fundraising was almost an after thought. Couple that with the experience of the RU Screw, ( for thousands of alums) and we are clearly at a disadvantage.
The only thing we have going for us, is that Schiano is a great recruiter. Hopefully he can recruit enough donors to survive the initial sunami of the NIL. That’s all we can do. This is not sustainable! We will never raise enough money to openly compete financially against programs that have been doing this illegally for decades.
It seems like SMU in the “pony excess” is alive and well. The only difference is that instead of getting the death penalty for paying players. A program may suffer the death penalty for not paying players.
As a season ticket holder this is not an easy decision. Personally I am ok with players getting an income but NIL
as it stands now is just a big money grab and it is not sustainable.
However, at this time I am inclined to give, this program has come to far to let it die on the vine.
While we are blessed to have a seat at the big boy table.It is unfortunate that
we are probably the least prepared program in the country to finance NIL.
While other schools were honing their fundraising skills ( for decades), we were in ”Bigger time football” mode.
Fundraising was almost an after thought. Couple that with the experience of the RU Screw, ( for thousands of alums) and we are clearly at a disadvantage.
The only thing we have going for us, is that Schiano is a great recruiter. Hopefully he can recruit enough donors to survive the initial sunami of the NIL. That’s all we can do. This is not sustainable! We will never raise enough money to openly compete financially against programs that have been doing this illegally for decades.
It seems like SMU in the “pony excess” is alive and well. The only difference is that instead of getting the death penalty for paying players. A program may suffer the death penalty for not paying players.
As a season ticket holder this is not an easy decision. Personally I am ok with players getting an income but NIL
as it stands now is just a big money grab and it is not sustainable.
However, at this time I am inclined to give, this program has come to far to let it die on the vine.
About your first point: Got it, that makes sense.
About you second point, so if a current player gets X amount to be retained, let say $50k, and that information somehow becomes known/public (which it will), other incoming players/recruits will use that information to estimate how much TKR will pay them to be retained in the future prior to their commitment. This information will help the recruit determine if RU is a good place for them from a financial point of view. Another example, Penn State is paying $60k to "retain" a player and RU is paying $85k to "retain" a player, if I was a recruit I would go to RU if I want to maximize my earning potential.
It seems like we don't want to sell NIL as paying for play but the reality is that all college teams are or will be doing it to be able to compete for recruits, unless something changes to better regulate it.
Again, I think NIL could benefit RU if we raised $$$$. I also don't think we have much to lose, it is not like we were a top 25 team or making the playoffs every other year. This is a change in the environment that gives us an opportunity to move up in the world of college football and basketball. All we need to do is raised $$$$.
the link is not premium last time I checked.
That is great that you are sending your money to RU. So am I.
Like that wasn’t the case already? Jonah Jackson says hi. Maybe under NIL we have a chance to hold onto him now?
Either way, it’s still the same simple decision. Either put up a fight or don’t and complain about it on a message board.
Yes, most universities and lose money on athletics as a whole. However, I think it's important to point out that football at Rutgers not only pays for itself, but makes money on top of that. The reason athletics as a whole loses money is because a big portion of the football profits goes to support non-revenue sports. Just dropping the non-revenue sports are not an option since they are required by law and also to meet the NCAA minimum number.
I would add that most universities lose money on most programs that they offer. If profit were the sole objective, a modern university might consist of a business school and certain STEM programs.
Any big time recruit is expecting/demanding money these days. I forget which college coach said it, but the first talks between the player and coach begin with the recruit saying "How much can I get?". And I didn't say they held the cards to determine the value of their services, which by the way, the value of their services haven't even been determined yet. Ultimately, if player X gets a deal from a school and another team wants that player, they will give more money to entice the player to their campus. These salaries have the potential to run rampant and get ugly. Look at how the pro league salaries have progressed with free agency. College football will go the same path and the highest bidders will have the best chance to secure the talent.
Oklahoma is paying every kid on the roster $50k per year.
@$300 you will need more than a 1000 people. I only point it out to show how much is needed to truly compete in the NIL circle
Yep other fan bases have taken NIL in stride while many of our fans seem to think complaining and actively promoting against NIL will help. Smh.
What other fan bases? Are you talking about those inside the B1G and SEC or the little guys on the outside looking in? You do realize we are just getting started in the B1G $$$$ pool right. So it would probably be normal. I have no doubt Rutgers will find a way. Some of us questioners will always make sure we succeed . You know what is scary is those who talk and have never given a dime in donations other than parking and season tix. Talk the talk but never really walked that walk. All you need to see is the donation dollar amounts over the years.
There’s no requirement for nil amounts to be publicly reported. A recruit or booster would choose to disclose that info, but most won’t.
I think they are just going to go non-scholarship. It clears up a ton of Title IX issues, will cost significantly less to the school and will allow them to compete in "amateur" college sports. There is going to be tons of political pressure on all of these schools that aren't even in the same stratosphere as the 25-30 schools that are just buying all their players. There is a Rutgers 1000 at every school; they will see an opportunity.
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Dumb thing to say…if he’s not going to help there’s literally no need to “get out of the way” some of you love to pretend that sites like TKR actually matter!
You need to grow up . You still act like an under 35 spoiled brat.,Read what I wrote .it ‘ll take you 20 years to donate what we did over the years . Take your head out of your *** .
Thank You Wesr Point knight: by saying wait on the side is actually the way to proceed for me and others. You have got to admire his hutzpah- stupidity of people like RUblackout07. In a few years you won’t remember this poster.. Another Johnny come lately attempting to spend peoples $$$$.Dumb thing to say…if he’s not going to help there’s literally no need to “get out of the way” some of you love to pretend that sites like TKR actually matter!
I would think that they matter to some extent if they are helping to generate foundational membership in the RU NIL collective and former players post here indicating that the board is read.Dumb thing to say…if he’s not going to help there’s literally no need to “get out of the way” some of you love to pretend that sites like TKR actually matter!
Who cares? I’ve donated for years as well. That was then, this is now. If you’re not going to be part of the solution, watch quietly on the sidelines. You actually think promoting against NIL and TKR is helping anything?
Sure , you can use the normal retort back …”I’ve donated for years” but somehow you have the unadulterated balls to question some of us who ( older) are maybe trying to make good use of a donation to what and whom dollars go to support. You interpreting a wait and see attitude or questioning someone attempting undermine convinced me you are just a fool… and perhaps a single fool. Never doubt my personal attachment to Rutgers and my family’s support.
Ok great, wait on the sidelines but for the love of god stop complaining and trying to slow down efforts. You’re not helping.
This is my plan. Once we get a couple 0-12 seasons under our belt, I'm sure I'll go back to my pre-2005 habit of not even watching.
But if tomorrow I decided to donate my usual yearly amount (prior to Ash’s final year.) then I’m ok in your book? Like I said earlier you will need prrhaps 20 years to catch up. What you need to do first is realize people decide for themselves to what they find reasonable, fair and balanced .,I somehow managed to help support Rutgers since the mid 70’s some years more than others so if I told you to use your head… I don’t mean the head of your penis.Go RU!!!!!!!!!
This is just so Rutgers. We are finally starting to be relevant in college sports and watch. The whole thing will come Crashing down
Bigger than RU Newell. We are fortunate to be in the BIG but this might bite us. The longer NIL goes unchecked the worse off we are.
Because right now we're still competitive. We're not championship-level competitive, but we can still go into most games and not lose by 40.
We are not really competitive in this league . But anyway , you say we are . And you will stick around to we aren’t anymore . The logic is flawed because you stuck around through ash
In the Ash era (and for the 25 years previous), the school always had the opportunity to compete. In order to do so, they would have to win first ... which in turn meant that the school would need to spend money to make money ... but the opportunity was always there. We have a huge alumni base and we're in a market that supports winners - so if the school spent the money required to build a winner (and it could have), Rutgers could have been in a position to support itself (as a perennial Top 25 team going forward).
Post-NIL, it is different. The school (itself) can no longer spend the money required to build a Top 10 team - the rules don't permit it. And the alumni base is not going to spend the money to become a winner. And unless (and until) the team wins, it will not get the local sports fan reaction needed to support itself (as a competitive team) into the future.
If the Rutgers 1000 wanted to devise a way to destroy Rutgers Athletics, it couldn't have come up with a better concept than NIL.
My logic is just fine; as is my acceptance of reality.
Ok so let’s say we become a very competitive and good program under NIL. Are you sticking around then or still bailing ?
It's an entertainment option (like any other). As long as I am entertained, I will watch. When I am no longer entertained, I will watch something else.