Rutgers #37 in AP Top 25
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7 Maryland
9 Penn State WOW!
16 Seton Hall
20 Iowa
25 Ohio State
27 Michigan State
28 Michigan
34 Illinois
37 Rutgers
I do see some bs that Louisville lost to 2 bottom feeders and fell only from 7 to 11
WVU lost twice but at 17 only fell 3 spots
Iowa has not played particularly well but somehow has the voters interest
in the also ran vote I see URI, Virginia and Cincy getting votes and have to scratch my head as to why
9 Penn State WOW!
16 Seton Hall
20 Iowa
25 Ohio State
27 Michigan State
28 Michigan
34 Illinois
37 Rutgers
I do see some bs that Louisville lost to 2 bottom feeders and fell only from 7 to 11
WVU lost twice but at 17 only fell 3 spots
Iowa has not played particularly well but somehow has the voters interest
in the also ran vote I see URI, Virginia and Cincy getting votes and have to scratch my head as to why
I think we had 2 votes last week so 6 is an improvement.
It seems the voters can't figure out the middle of the pack in the B10. 6 teams bunched between 20 and 37 which is basically your NCAA 6-9 seeds. As teams play the 2nd half of home and homes and the tourney it will help.
Example: If RU loses to Mich and MD then they are both definitely above us. If RU beats Wisconsin, Purdue, and PSU then it gives voters a chance to move use ahead of them.
The unbalanced schedule in the B10 hurts a but will sort out by conference tourney time when teams that split home and homes play a neutral site game. Also teams that played once may get a 2nd match-up.
It seems the voters can't figure out the middle of the pack in the B10. 6 teams bunched between 20 and 37 which is basically your NCAA 6-9 seeds. As teams play the 2nd half of home and homes and the tourney it will help.
Example: If RU loses to Mich and MD then they are both definitely above us. If RU beats Wisconsin, Purdue, and PSU then it gives voters a chance to move use ahead of them.
The unbalanced schedule in the B10 hurts a but will sort out by conference tourney time when teams that split home and homes play a neutral site game. Also teams that played once may get a 2nd match-up.
What an absolute joke. Some teams can lose, get blown out and even lose 2 or 4-5 and still hardly move. Giving us 6 votes is ridiculous. Name me 1 team in the country that beat 3 ranked teams by double digits, PENN State by 11, Illinois by 15, and Seton Hall by 20 , and Penn State is up to 9, Seton Hall at16, and now Illinois drops out but still gets 12 votes. ? There are almost none outside of the Kansas and Baylor and Duke and Florida State , who are ranked 1st, 3rd, 6th, and 8th in the country.Louisville loses to Ga Tech and Clemson and only drops from 5 to 11, when they were both unranked teams barely at or above 500. Butler in a free fall and still ranked. But Michigan State loses a few, but in the best league in the country and they get left out. The lack of respect for the Big10 is evident and unless you win 8 in a row, you can only climb to 7 and 9 . Disgraceful.
Luka Garza is the reason. Anyone who has interest in college basketball knows who he is.
In many ways, we are still a that red-headed step child to the voters. A mirage that flashes on and off through the season.
The only thing that does baffle me is IF the BIG is considered the toughest conference in the country, how can a team in fourth place be so "bad"?
The only thing that does baffle me is IF the BIG is considered the toughest conference in the country, how can a team in fourth place be so "bad"?
The AP top 25 has as much credibility as a one leg man in an *as kicking contest. The name on the front of the jersey can be misleading.
You have to understand how the ballot system works. We're clearly right on the edge of the Top 25, with how the scoring system works based on actually being in the top 25 on ballots we have 6 votes, but we might be a consensus 26 or 27 on many ballots if they went higher.
I can understand people leaving us out of the top 25 on their ballots....We may very well be a top 20 or even 15 team at HOME, but our road record is def hurting us.
Your average pollster pays attention to about 25% of the games scores. They just see record and name and vote accordingly, kind of like ESPN's BPI rankings.
Top 25 is a joke and a popularity contest . Rutgers definitely has some very impressive wins . I would not worry about it some of the people voting on this are total idiots. I am not a Rugers fan and think they definitely should be in top 25 with the wins they have had.
I think that you are giving sports writers too much credit. While RU's road record certainly doesnt help the cause.........a subjective ballot system like this is a joke. Name recognition, history of winning, homerism and just plain stupidity all play a role in the overall rankings.....and likely as much as advanced metrics.
The one thing that our AP #37 / Coaches #38 ranking shows us is how our public perception differs from our #30 NET ranking. Overall, there isn't a whole lot of variance - 7 or 8 spots. But if we end up on the bubble, that public perception (if it is shared by the committee) might end up hurting us. We need some statement wins to get people's attention as the year ends, and Michigan would be a good start.
the committee will not be looking at ap top 25 rankings at all
Not while convening to decide.... but I think we'd be fooling ourselves to think the people on the committee haven't seen them, or that they don't have personal perception that is influenced by polls and ESPN coverage.
I think they bring their own biases in but its not really top 25 related, there are so many other metric polls to look at.
there was a Larry Brown coached top 25 SMU team a few years back that did not receive a bid. I think based on their 17-8 mark and what they have done RU really is not quite a top 25 team currently.
there was a Larry Brown coached top 25 SMU team a few years back that did not receive a bid. I think based on their 17-8 mark and what they have done RU really is not quite a top 25 team currently.
While the committee states that they're looking at entire body of work, the top 25 is under no such constraint. RU played like a top 25 team for 15 min against Illinois, 5 min against OSU, and maybe a few min against Northwestern. The rest of the OSU and Northwestern games were quad 3/4 worthy.
Homer-ism definitely helps but based on Carino's top 25 we are not getting the benefit. Honestly we are on the cusp but are the only major conference team being considered without a decent road win.
Carino probably gave us an hones assessment where some of the voters gave advantages to their home teams and teams that they like.
Carino probably gave us an hones assessment where some of the voters gave advantages to their home teams and teams that they like.
I know how it works as you get points for placement. So one writer votes us 25 that is 1 vote and if a writer votes us 24 it is 2 votes. If we only got 6 writers in the whole damn country that follow college basketball and they do not know we are 17-0 at home , in the consensus toughest league in the country , with 3 ranked double digit wins over ranked teams, then they have been sleeping under a rock. Disgraceful that they still have their votes.
Just silly. Find me another team in the country that plays the way we play home and away , not named Baylor , Kansas, Gonzaga and Duke ( Numbers 1,2, 3, and 6) that plays ranked teams to the wire on the road and holds late leads, but cannot finish. There are no others , none.
We also barely got by Nebby and Northwestern at home. Plus we have not so good losses to 2 teams that arent very good in Pitt and St Bonnies
in looking at the top 25, the only team I would boot would be Houston. I would move BYU to 25 and Iowa to 24. It would open one slot up which I might give to Mich/MSt or Tex Tech. I would vote RU 28
Isn’t your line that the committee looks at body of work? Your trashing of St . Bonnie’s and Pittsburgh is ridiculous because until their last 2 games they were both 78 and 103 in Kenpom and were 80 and 113 in the Net. Kentucky lost to Evansville and Duke lost to SFA , both at home . They have bad losses too but that isn’t held against them. Do you think Duke ‘s miracle comeback against UNC was different than our Northwestern comeback. In your words UNC is trash this year. The game before UNC , they were losing to BC , kinda like Northwestern , for 35 minutes and pulled it out. Duke is ranked 6th. Just a little in consistency in perception.
Unless they win 3 of the next 4 , then Pitt is a Quad 1 loss and Bonnie’s a Quad 2 loss , which looking at their schedule does not seem implausible.
We had 2 votes last week and 6 votes this week and dropped in the rankings...Is it me or does that not quite add up
In my mind a top 25 team can win on the road, we haven't proven that ability. We should have been able to handle Mich at the garden but didn't. So I don't blame others for wanting us to show something on the road.
St bonnies was moving to under 100 and then fell at least a dozen spots by getting crushed by Davidson. Wins in that league wont help them
Pitt is awful of late
Pitt is awful of late
Its not a top 35..its a top 25...just means alot of voters are spreading out their 23-25 teams around several schools at this point
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