Run the ball guy

[RealTucoSalamanca]

do you think martinez will end up at the patriots or tampa bay?

lol

I guess what I'm saying is we won 3 NC's in 4 years running dr. Tom offense
(I don't count solich cause solich made us 1 dimensional because dan and buck fumbled alot, so it was crouch left, crouch right, lord left, lord right (crouch and lord should get an award for toughness).

enter bill c. he actually was the best pass happy we had, because he had ganz, and porkchop.
and since then I have watched qb's named martinez who are not designed for pass happy.

I think the best we have done since pass happy bill c. is a holiday bowl whale trophy....

so I ask myself whats better? 3 NC's in 4 years

or a holiday bowl whale trophy since billy c?

so I ask for a return to Dr. Tom's offense...but understanding negotiations, I understand that I may not get all I want, and have to give some........so now we see frost is giving some working on the option....so I'm ok with that....it beats watching martinez throwing an expected swing pass...

I can’t even take you seriously.

You aren’t at the freaking table negotiating, just like @antirowboat isn’t actually providing a list of potential head coaching candidates to anyone in a decision making position.

I haven’t been a fan of how Frost is running his offense for the past 3 years. That wasn’t the offense that got him the HC job at UCF and not the offense that led him to be considered for high profile jobs after UCF.

I have repeatedly posted that Frost’s teams are going to be 58/42 run pass. If Nebraska wanted something different, they should have hired a coach that runs option and doesn’t throw the ball but 10 or 11 times per game. Or hired a defensive coach and had him hire an OC that runs that sort of offense.

Since they didn’t, I fully expected Frost to run the offense the he spent the better part of a decade running as a coach, not come in and run an offense he ran for 2 years as a QB.

If you thought he was going to run Osborne’s offense then that is your problem.

 

[redwine65]

I can’t even take you seriously.

You aren’t at the freaking table negotiating, just like @antirowboat isn’t actually providing a list of potential head coaching candidates to anyone in a decision making position.

I haven’t been a fan of how Frost is running his offense for the past 3 years. That wasn’t the offense that got him the HC job at UCF and not the offense that led him to be considered for high profile jobs after UCF.

I have repeatedly posted that Frost’s teams are going to be 58/42 run pass. If Nebraska wanted something different, they should have hired a coach that runs option and doesn’t throw the ball but 10 or 11 times per game. Or hired a defensive coach and had him hire an OC that runs that sort of offense.

Since they didn’t, I fully expected Frost to run the offense the he spent the better part of a decade running as a coach, not come in and run an offense he ran for 2 years as a QB.

If you thought he was going to run Osborne’s offense then that is your problem.

ok , let me know when you sign joe montana then

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

ok , let me know when you sign joe montana then

I rest my case.

 

[kennyfinpowers]

So if a QB evades defenders and make yards on a scramble, it should count, but if an RB bounces an inside run outside (not a "planned" outside run) and evades defenders to make yardage, it should?

It all counts obviously. I’d just like to what our production is on planned rushes. I think that’s a lot more valuable when evaluating a rushing attack.

 

[inWV]

so I ask for a return to Dr. Tom's offense...but understanding negotiations, I understand that I may not get all I want, and have to give some........so now we see frost is giving some working on the option....so I'm ok with that....it beats watching martinez throwing an expected swing pass...

I’m excited about the offense I saw last Saturday. 53 carries to 21 passes.

 

[Headcard]

I’m excited about the offense I saw last Saturday. 53 carries to 21 passes.

We have been the most run heavy team in the conference since Frost got here. I was excited to see how diverse we were in the run Saturday, using the orbit motion and getting the WR involved was awesome and so was the play action off it.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I’m excited about the offense I saw last Saturday. 53 carries to 21 passes.

OMG with this. It was a blow out, of course it was gong to be huge disparity of rushes to passes.

If it is 71/29 in a close game against Michigan, then you should get excited. Until then, the rushing numbers were a byproduct of the score and not the gameplan.

 

[dinglefritz]

Ok, Tim I understand what you’re saying, but none of this is really relevant to what I said. He‘s right and people seem to get in a tizzy no matter what he says, even when he’s not “flip flopping”. It started even before he flip-flopped.

Dingle, he’s entitled to his opinion and anyone is entitled to think he’s wrong, but I dunno why people get all butthurt about it and gang up on him and call him crazy simply because he wants a different offense and style. Its not like he’s saying we need to sacrifice children.

But I digress…

He's earned his ridicule on this board IMO. If he is who I think he is, he's been banned under different aliases several times.

 

[inWV]

OMG with this. It was a blow out, of course it was gong to be huge disparity of rushes to passes.

If it is 71/29 in a close game against Michigan, then you should get excited. Until then, the rushing numbers were a byproduct of the score and not the gameplan.

Should have not included the run pass numbers, because frankly I don’t give a **** what they are as long as NU wins. The fact that **** generally worked was great.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Should have not included the run pass numbers, because frankly I don’t give a **** what they are as long as NU wins. The fact that **** generally worked was great.

I agree. When you can win without throwing a single pass, that would be great. That rarely happens in any level of football, let alone P5 football. I just don't get the talk about this type of football in the Big Ten. 12 of the 14 teams in the league throw the ball at least 27 times per game. This isn't the 3 yards and a cloud of dust football league any longer.

 

[Walleye 1]

You all can thank me later.

Thank you for what? Proclaiming Monken or Klieman will be the next HC? Frost will be fired the end of the season? The ridiculous list of coaching candidates? Changing your opinion within hours of each other? Coaches adjusting schemes for the better of the team and success? Just trying to keep up with the absolute garbage you post and take credit for. Like your some kind of messiah that has an influence in the program. You don't you are a blowhard that has no impact on if this coaching staff succeeds or fails.

 

[barney44]

do you think martinez will end up at the patriots or tampa bay?

lol

I guess what I'm saying is we won 3 NC's in 4 years running dr. Tom offense
(I don't count solich cause solich made us 1 dimensional because dan and buck fumbled alot, so it was crouch left, crouch right, lord left, lord right (crouch and lord should get an award for toughness).

enter bill c. he actually was the best pass happy we had, because he had ganz, and porkchop.
and since then I have watched qb's named martinez who are not designed for pass happy.

I think the best we have done since pass happy bill c. is a holiday bowl whale trophy....

so I ask myself whats better? 3 NC's in 4 years

or a holiday bowl whale trophy since billy c?

so I ask for a return to Dr. Tom's offense...but understanding negotiations, I understand that I may not get all I want, and have to give some........so now we see frost is giving some working on the option....so I'm ok with that....it beats watching martinez throwing an expected swing pass...

You find an option coach if you want an option offense. Unfortunately for the option guys those coaches aren't as common as they once were so your coaching choices are limited.

Frost gives you a spread option offense which is what you watched on Saturday. We're not going to get a run dose 80% of the time unless things are going very well.

 

[redwine65]

I’m excited about the offense I saw last Saturday. 53 carries to 21 passes.

I think you will see michigan also focus on running the ball alot more then passing this week

 

[redwine65]

You find an option coach if you want an option offense. Unfortunately for the option guys those coaches aren't as common as they once were so your coaching choices are limited.

Frost gives you a spread option offense which is what you watched on Saturday. We're not going to get a run dose 80% of the time unless things are going very well.

I think frost might know the option somewhat. basically numbers don't lie..and at this point the pass happy numbers just ain't adding up compared to the numbers lets say frost had when he was qb...
there a big difference in the W & L numbers especially.
I guess I can try to ignore the numbers.. I guess I can pretend we are doing real swell.

hmmm

 

[BleedRed78]

OMG with this. It was a blow out, of course it was gong to be huge disparity of rushes to passes.

If it is 71/29 in a close game against Michigan, then you should get excited. Until then, the rushing numbers were a byproduct of the score and not the gameplan.

Wtf, who pissed in your Cheerios?

 

[WHCSC]

tico, list the nfl qb's we have produced since dr. tom left, take your time...

How about you list the NFL QBs that played with TO as their HC?

 

[barney44]

I think frost might know the option somewhat. basically numbers don't lie..and at this point the pass happy numbers just ain't adding up compared to the numbers lets say frost had when he was qb...
there a big difference in the W & L numbers especially.
I guess I can try to ignore the numbers.. I guess I can pretend we are doing real swell.

hmmm

Someone said earlier in the thread that Frost spent 2 years in Osbornes offense and the last 20 plus years coaching in a spread option offense. The secret to our success is or was not the option. We can run the option all day long and it won't make any difference if we don't execute at a high level and we shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

[redwine65]

How about you list the NFL QBs that played with TO as their HC?

 

[redwine65]

Someone said earlier in the thread that Frost spent 2 years in Osbornes offense and the last 20 plus years coaching in a spread option offense. The secret to our success is or was not the option. We can run the option all day long and it won't make any difference if we don't execute at a high level and we shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

[WHCSC]

He sure looked good running that option attack in the nfl

 

[barney44]

Those teams executed at a very high level. I remember a time when we couldn't win a bowl game under Osborne, the option made no difference.

I'm not advocating for some pass happy offense here. I'm a run the ball/pa type guy but I'm not going to say the pass is useless when it's the only thing working for us. We don't exactly have the offensive lines or the stability that Osborne had. It's easy to say run the option but a completely different story when you have to block for it.

 

[antirowboat]

 

[dinglefritz]

Mathison, Ferragamo, Humm and Tagge all played in offenses that had a passing game rooted in the WCO that Tom played in in the NFL. Yes they ran option primarily out of the I formation but it would be misleading at the very least to say they were "option QBs". Humm and Ferragamo used to joke about how quickly they could pitch the ball on an "option", Tom's offense was pretty balanced until he started playing true dual threat QBs.

 

[redwine65]

Mathison, Ferragamo, Humm and Tagge all played in offenses that had a passing game rooted in the WCO that Tom played in in the NFL. Yes they ran option primarily out of the I formation but it would be misleading at the very least to say they were "option QBs". Humm and Ferragamo used to joke about how quickly they could pitch the ball on an "option", Tom's offense was pretty balanced until he started playing true dual threat QBs.

never said they were option qb's....and that is a excellent point.
Dr. Tom had a few nfl qb's, and what did he end up going to?

thee option

 

[barney44]

never said they were option qb's....and that is a excellent point.
Dr. Tom had a few nfl qb's, and what did he end up going to?

thee option

He used the option but he didn't go to the option. That offense was nothing more than 3 yards and a cloud of dust with a dose of option football and a running qb. We ran more than our share of powers, counters, dives, traps, isos, draws, etc.

 

[antirowboat]

Michigan defenders say during the pressers this week that they don't face option plays in the Big Ten. It's not easy to prepare for with this Nebraska offense.

Boom. Haters will hate.

Frost is learning and making the adjustments needed. Better late than never.

 

[redwine65]

Michigan defenders say during the pressers this week that they don't face option plays in the Big Ten. It's not easy to prepare for with this Nebraska offense.

Boom. Haters will hate.

Frost is learning and making the adjustments needed. Better late than never.

amen

 

[redwine65]

He used the option but he didn't go to the option. That offense was nothing more than 3 yards and a cloud of dust with a dose of option football and a running qb. We ran more than our share of powers, counters, dives, traps, isos, draws, etc.

definitely not pass happy, amen

 

[HuskerBruce81]

I can’t even take you seriously.

You aren’t at the freaking table negotiating, just like @antirowboat isn’t actually providing a list of potential head coaching candidates to anyone in a decision making position.

I haven’t been a fan of how Frost is running his offense for the past 3 years. That wasn’t the offense that got him the HC job at UCF and not the offense that led him to be considered for high profile jobs after UCF.

I have repeatedly posted that Frost’s teams are going to be 58/42 run pass. If Nebraska wanted something different, they should have hired a coach that runs option and doesn’t throw the ball but 10 or 11 times per game. Or hired a defensive coach and had him hire an OC that runs that sort of offense.

Since they didn’t, I fully expected Frost to run the offense the he spent the better part of a decade running as a coach, not come in and run an offense he ran for 2 years as a QB.

If you thought he was going to run Osborne’s offense then that is your problem.

Looked a hell of a lot like Tom's offense past Saturday. Just spread out.

Read what Osborne said post-game.

https://www.cuatthegame.com/1992/8-nebraska-the-halloween-massacre/

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Looked a hell of a lot like Tom's offense past Saturday. Just spread out.

Read what Osborne said post-game.

https://www.cuatthegame.com/1992/8-nebraska-the-halloween-massacre/

Minus the 14 1st half passes and the zone blocking.
As I wrote above or in another thread, NW defense was/ is horrible. It was 35-7 at the half, there was only one reason to throw the ball in the 2nd half and that was to get back up reps.
You are looking at one game, a blowout, as some sort of evidence that Frost is going to be running the ball 70% of the time every game.
I’ll take the 8 plus seasons sample size you take the 1 game. Or better yet, go watch some Oregon 2013 or 2014 and UCF 2017 blowouts and you will see similar play calls, results and ratios.

 

[HuskerBruce81]

Minus the 14 1st half passes and the zone blocking.
As I wrote above or in another thread, NW defense was/ is horrible. It was 35-7 at the half, there was only one reason to throw the ball in the 2nd half and that was to get back up reps.
You are looking at one game, a blowout, as some sort of evidence that Frost is going to be running the ball 70% of the time every game.
I’ll take the 8 plus seasons sample size you take the 1 game. Or better yet, go watch some Oregon 2013 or 2014 and UCF 2017 blowouts and you will see similar play calls, results and ratios.

I'm not saying he is. I'm saying he should. Besides Saban, Osborne is probably the greatest coach in the history of college football and knew what identity to have here. He was more balanced in the beginning out of the I. Then he added a wrinkle. Nebraska needs that wrinkle.

If you haven't noticed Frost hasn't recruited a QB that would support throwing at a 45 percent clip.

Have a great day, throw the ball guy

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I'm not saying he is. I'm saying he should. Besides Saban, Osborne is probably the greatest coach in the history of college football and knew what identity to have here. He was more balanced in the beginning out of the I. Then he added a wrinkle. Nebraska needs that wrinkle.

If you haven't noticed Frost hasn't recruited a QB that would support throwing at a 45 percent clip.

Have a great day, throw the ball guy

I don't even know what you are arguing here.

What wrinkle? The option? That wrinkle was in the Frost offense at Oregon and at UCF.

Haarberg and Torres are both throwers that are mobile, neither are like Smothers nor like McCaffrey. You might want to bone up on the skill sets of the recruited QBs