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$44,759,411.00 was reported on k-state annual audited financial statement as b12 distribution.
The Big 12 already has the Orlando market. They won't get the Jacksonville or Miami markets with FSU, for obvious reasons. The Tallahassee market is small. Clemson is a tiny market that does nothing for increased viewership or marketing dollars. The SEC is already in that market, so it does little to the SEC brand, other than a natural rival for Georgia and USCe.
You may NOT like it or agree with it, BUT anyone who thinks money isn't the driver behind conference realignment actions just isn't in touch with reality. Whine all you want for the nostalgia but you'd be whining much more if Nebraska was getting a much smaller paycheck than what some other teams like Ohio State/Michigan are getting. Of the P4 level schools basically only Notre Dame isn't driven solely by money considerations to join a conference and that's because they uniquely get an oversized check while still being independent.
And frankly with player revenue sharing coming in the near future, money is going to be more important than ever. There are plenty of have-not schools that are really going to be stretched thin financially when that happens including some in the Big12 and ACC.
And frankly with player revenue sharing coming in the near future, money is going to be more important than ever. There are plenty of have-not schools that are really going to be stretched thin financially when that happens including some in the Big12 and ACC.
As someone else pointed out, with the additions to both leagues (Big Ten and Big 12) looking backward is pointless. That $44 million that KSU received included the revenue from having OU and Texas in the league, there is only one more year left on that deal. The new deal with ESPN and Fox starts in 2025
According to Business of College Sports Big 12 schools will receive about half as much ($31.7 million) in average yearly payouts as Big Ten ($71.875) and SEC ($68.75) will in their new deals.
According to Business of College Sports Big 12 schools will receive about half as much ($31.7 million) in average yearly payouts as Big Ten ($71.875) and SEC ($68.75) will in their new deals.
The big 10 will be distributing north if $80M per school in the coming years. They will also get $21M per school that makes the CFP each year along with the SEC where the B12 only gets $12M per team and likely less teams. It’s not even a reasonable discussion going forward imo comparing projected money in these conferences
once more, rather than using actuals, you default to someone's forecast about the future which is clearly a moving target today. be that as it may, we'll see if this investment house buy happens or not.
Because your actuals are meaningless going forward. All three leagues have new deals.
Your point is like saying you will make $100k in 2025 at your new job that only pays $90k because you made $100k in 2024 at the old job.
Speaking of money, can we start a GoFundMe to get Averitas his own board to hang with other Purple Kitties?
yes. and arizona, asu, utah and byu will never join the b12 because the p12 will gobble up ku, oSu, and whoever first. those future looks are always entertaining v. what actually happens. the ole hockey stick forecasts, gotta love 'em.
Don't you already have a team in Florida and multiple teams in Texas and Arizona? Would adding warm weather markets be that big of deal? Is it that hard to understand? The SE is attractive from a diversity standpoint for the Big 10.
That's big12 distributions or media revenue? Because that number won't be the same
You started a post based on future projections that the Big 12 will sign these deals and add teams and now you only want to use past information? Ok.
The exact reason the guy doesn't want to. The Big 12 will have some good games this fall but even they see the writing on the wall. Hence the reason for exploring every avenue to increase revenue.
umm, we've had a long discussion about why a venture capital company would want to invest $1B in the b12, yes.
Speculation concerning what teams will go where is a whole lot different than looking at at media contract and dividing a number by the number of teams in the league. One is unknown, the other is tried and true fvckin math.yes. and arizona, asu, utah and byu will never join the b12 because the p12 will gobble up ku, oSu, and whoever first. those future looks are always entertaining v. what actually happens. the ole hockey stick forecasts, gotta love 'em.
Maybe there is a private equity firm looking to invest in a message board for them.
Top tier conferences. B1G and SEC have more clout and if there did become a 40-50 team league as Top Tier. B1G and SEC teams would basically be auto added vs the BIG12.
Does adding cu asu uofa and Utah make up for losing Oklahoma and ut? I doubt it. Worse yet, even IF media rights stays the same, the 4 new schools are coming in as FULL members so now that is getting split 14 ways instead of 10 after the little 4 get their approx 50% share.
Therefore as b1g revenue is set to increase to north of 1 billion per year due to flexibility in the media contract, the gap widens.
Now maybe clemson and fsu think they would rather go to the big12 and be the big fish in the pond rather than compete in the sec or b1g. That's possible
Therefore as b1g revenue is set to increase to north of 1 billion per year due to flexibility in the media contract, the gap widens.
Now maybe clemson and fsu think they would rather go to the big12 and be the big fish in the pond rather than compete in the sec or b1g. That's possible
Agree for the most part, but I could see a 40-50 team league where a Vandy or Rutgers or Northwestern is out and Arizona and Kansas are in.
Very possible but that's gonna take some big cajones to do that. Be some steamy, bloody board meetings
I think that the next shoe to drop will be unequal revenue sharing. The ACC, if it survives, will probably be the first, followed by the SEC. Once the cat is out of the bag, it would be hard to see Michigan and Ohio State being happy with the same cut as Rutgers and Northwestern. It probably won't be a hard number where Michigan gets $30 million more than Nebraska every year, but it will be some formula around media value and ratings.
The Big 12 kind of had it with the Tier 3 rights, but that was a small portion of what the real difference in media value would be.
If the money was basically set for each school and everyone was free to pick a new conference, where would teams end up? Let's say that Nebraska gets $70 million based on media value regardless of conference affiliation. Do you want to be in a conference with Michigan and Ohio State who are pulling in $110 million each, or with CU and KU who are at $50 million each?
The Big 12 kind of had it with the Tier 3 rights, but that was a small portion of what the real difference in media value would be.
If the money was basically set for each school and everyone was free to pick a new conference, where would teams end up? Let's say that Nebraska gets $70 million based on media value regardless of conference affiliation. Do you want to be in a conference with Michigan and Ohio State who are pulling in $110 million each, or with CU and KU who are at $50 million each?
According to Trev Alberts, it was the TV networks that came to the BIG and said "you're going to add Washington and Oregon". The BIG wasn't interested, so the networks said "okay in that case, if you want the new TV contract money you are going to need to pick two teams and kick them out of the conference." Elimination or a relegation system is a real possibility.
this is what happens when you forfeit majority ownership in your #1 asset, as the B1G did in 2020
FOX is the captain now
My understanding is Fox took 51% control in June of 2010 and got another 10% during covid.
Prime example of why you don't go so deep into debt. A bunch of these Big 10 schools weren't fiscally sound like NU and totally panicked. Stupid long-term move, especially as that extra 10% takes from a bigger pie.
this is not accurate
FOX paid for (important delineation) 49% of the B1G's media rights prior to 2020 and were awarded an additional 2%, and majority stake, for zero dollars, due to breach of contract committed by the B1G when it canceled football during COVID and cratered FOX's B1G football inventory.
in this last deal, FOX upped its stake to 61%.
Stability of the program should have been a higher priority than stability of the conference. Tom was short sided in this move. He damaged the program severely, although he didn't intend to.
You forget, we lost our Texas recruiting pool.. that's another very big part of it. Even with a high level of recruiting effort by all of the coaching staffs, we have really struggled to get top tier talent here and that hasn't changed since we came to this conference.. It also affected Bo's teams as his recruiting went down hill after the move as well.
The big issue is we basically killed the golden goose, under the guise of seeking stability.
In my view, the only way to fix that, is to undue what we have done.
The only positive realignment has had lately, is the addition of California & Washington as new recruiting pools.. we need to make that a priority imo. We have had very little luck tapping into the Ohio and Michigan talent pools, but I still wouldn't trade them for the old Texas pipelines.
Maybe this changes how recruiting works... MAYBE.
The current situation with NIL is not working so well to our favor. It remains to be seen how this changes if it is brought in house like some think will happen.
If you are in a league where 20 other schools are getting the same payments as you.. it's not a competitive advantage within the league.
I would look into the number and quality of recruits we had from Texas during our time in the Big 12. I don’t think it was a fruitful as you are making it out to be. Without a Big Ten team in the state, Rhule has made tremendous headway in Texas by just putting forth the effort to recruit there.
IMHO whatever pipeline there was to Texas was lost during the Pelini years when recruiting in general was an after thought, especially toward the end of his tenure. .