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HominidHusker

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WR room may have been missing a particular big body at practice this week.
Are we looking at MoWash, JD, version 3.0?

wtf
 

cubsker_rivals142943

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Saw somewhere he only got 4 or 5 snaps and then I read separately he'd been given only a few plays to know and still couldn't line up right on Saturday which I assume is why he only got the 5 snaps.

Let's roll with Fleming instead, he was impressive.
 

73 Red I

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If the rumor is true it is probably time we move on and go with the receivers who want to play.
How many more Frost recruits are we going to have to hear are going to be the program savior's and then don't show up on campus or if they do get there become a problem and don't perform. Don't seem to fit the "high character guys" image we want to recruit theme.
 

SWIowahawks_rivals44758

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Saw somewhere he only got 4 or 5 snaps and then I read separately he'd been given only a few plays to know and still couldn't line up right on Saturday which I assume is why he only got the 5 snaps.

Let's roll with Fleming instead, he was impressive.
The broadcast had the camera on Manning when he came in and it followed him to where he was lining up. Usually WR’s motion towards the official that they want to be on or off the LOS. But he was looking to his inside WR and asking how to line up. He move forward and back a yard a couple of times. It looked pretty clear why he hadn’t been playing much.
 

CatColumbia

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We miss on the guys we need to hit a home run on.

If they are so good then why did we get them? That’s probably the question we should be asking ourselves. I could be wrong but reading between the lines sounds like he may not like football that much, just does it because he has always had a physical advantage until now. Could also mean that he isn’t grasping the playbook. Some learn it quick, some take sometime and some never learn (in other words they are dumb).
 

saluno22

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One of the benefits of this offense was supposed to be getting playmakers on the field because jobs/concepts are simple and able to plug and play elite athletes without much investment in learning an encyclopedia. That’s turning out not to be the case.
 

Redscarlet

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Saw somewhere he only got 4 or 5 snaps and then I read separately he'd been given only a few plays to know and still couldn't line up right on Saturday which I assume is why he only got the 5 snaps.

Let's roll with Fleming instead, he was impressive.

At this point I feel more confident with Betts and Hickman on the field and Fleming is already showing that he is a reliable target...
 

leodisflowers

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We had two bright spots in FLeming and Betts come on. Get Alante some touches as well. Manning isn't a loss as he has never done anything for us.
 

Anegada1

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Still hoping to see something out of Omar but at least it's good to see some young promising talent stepping up.
 

dinglefritz

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One of the benefits of this offense was supposed to be getting playmakers on the field because jobs/concepts are simple and able to plug and play elite athletes without much investment in learning an encyclopedia. That’s turning out not to be the case.
A WR's inability to learn an offense when he had no summer 7 on 7s and virtually no fall camp shouldn't be used to judge how complex an offense is. We've had multiple guys come in and play early and play well in this offense. There's a reason some very physically talented guys land at JUCOs.
 
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CatColumbia

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I’m not counting on Manning but I’m not giving up on him yet. I’m looking at it this like it’s his redshirt year (due to Covid). Let’s get Betts, Fleming and Brown going.
 
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Well if he turns out to be a bust so be it. I think though for such a highly regarded recruit at a position of great need it was a worthwhile risk.

I just don't understand why these highly talented kids want to self destruct. He might be able to go on to make big bucks in the NFL and be set for life if he applied himself in college.
 

gw2kpro

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I'm surprised that a very experienced receiver like Manning doesn't know when he's supposed to be on the line of scrimmage.
 

tpmcg_rivals137159

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if you're not prepared, how do you see the field?
personal responsibility should rule, but in all fairness, systems can get too complicated or obtuse than need be.
to me, pre-snap penalties can be an indicator...
 
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saluno22

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A WR's inability learn an offense when he had no summer 7 on 7s and virtually no fall camp shouldn't be used to judge how complex and offense is. We've had multiple guys come in and play early and play well in this offense. There's a reason some very physically talented guys land at JUCOs.
Fair point
 

Baxter48_rivals204143

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If Manning is a washout how many jucos have worked out for nu Under coach frost? 1 honus I think a couple other defensive guy will be contributing but on the offensive side it’s been a killer so far
 

HominidHusker

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Tomorrow will tell us a lot. Frost said he wished he had the pre-season to bring the young guys along. Welll now three weeks in, those two games and practices are your pre-season, so let’s see if you finally have your WR’s ready.

Guys not knowing their assignments is still coaching. Once in a while a couple guys can’t grasp things quickly, but if none of them are ready then it’s time to reassess what you’re trying to teach.
 

Redscarlet

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If Manning is a washout how many jucos have worked out for nu Under coach frost? 1 honus I think a couple other defensive guy will be contributing but on the offensive side it’s been a killer so far

Wasn’t Mills in a JC after he left Georgia Tech before coming here?
 

HominidHusker

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We’re 3 years in and Frost is only playing 1 recruited scholarship WR regularly (Wandale), who also is not accomplishing much (not his fault). That’s utterly depressing.

No Nance, no Houston. New guys still not ready.
Fleming the lone bright spot, but brightness is still very modest.
It sounds like this could change soon, but we need to see it.... and still need a QB who can throw a dart to whoever we put on the field.
 

dm1330

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How many more Frost recruits are we going to have to hear are going to be the program savior's and then don't show up on campus or if they do get there become a problem and don't perform. Don't seem to fit the "high character guys" image we want to recruit theme.
There is normally a good reason why the Junior College guys had to go that route to begin with.
 

VictoryRed

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It's too early to write him off but so far all indications lead to he's a bust.
 
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Schoeny10

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Tomorrow will tell us a lot. Frost said he wished he had the pre-season to bring the young guys along. Welll now three weeks in, those two games and practices are your pre-season, so let’s see if you finally have your WR’s ready.

Your point is valid, and I am not disagreeing, he should be ready. But game week practices are different from preseason. You spend more time with your 1s in-season, so it's not exactly the same.

But, if he is as crucial to our success as it was made out to seem, they should/would focus one bringing him/others up that and needed the attention.
 

CatColumbia

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Why? Doesn’t everyone have a free year?

That’s what they say but it’s not clear how they will make it happen with the scholarship numbers. Essentially every team is losing money this year and now we’re going to tack on an extra heavy expense with added scholarships? I’m thinking this will be treated like a medical hardship. When the players’ eligibility runs out they’ll have the option to recoup that hardship year.
 

orclover11

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A WR's inability to learn an offense when he had no summer 7 on 7s and virtually no fall camp shouldn't be used to judge how complex an offense is. We've had multiple guys come in and play early and play well in this offense. There's a reason some very physically talented guys land at JUCOs.
This also affects how comfortable a qb is at throwing at a particular wr. Imagine being an NU qb, you are blamed for every INT, the fans boo you, and the coaches bench you...except we never know if a WR is in the right place at the right time, if they have the right footwork, got off the ball correctly against press coverage, or are even using appropriate leverage in choice routes. A qb is basically put their careers in the hands of a set of wrs who haven't play big time college football. That is why they both target Wandale, and the TEs but seem to slow their progressions down if those guys are covered. Timing routes take faith.
 

HBFR

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That’s what they say but it’s not clear how they will make it happen with the scholarship numbers. Essentially every team is losing money this year and now we’re going to tack on an extra heavy expense with added scholarships? I’m thinking this will be treated like a medical hardship. When the players’ eligibility runs out they’ll have the option to recoup that hardship year.
There is not much of an extra “heavy expense.” Food, gear and tangible supplies are the variable costs. Travel too but assuming more players will not travel because of increased scholarship limits. The big expenses are mostly fixed for NU. The number of coaches will be the same. NU will not have to add more professors or classes. The dorms aren’t full.

Yes, the athletic department will have to “pay” the university for the additional scholarship athlete but that is an accounting practice more than a real expense. Would be a different kind of impact if NU were the type of school turning down applicants due to having no room for more students.