Rumor about sanctions offer being on the table.

[tatedog]

Read on a message board of another SEC school that is highly interested in the outcome of the Ole Miss sanctions that a compromise is already on the table. The punishment this guy claims seems pretty over the top (3 year bowl ban and loss of 20 over 4 years). The compromise part is that Ole Miss accepting the punishments as such would end the investigation as it pertains to any current or past players and clean the slate. He seemed to insinuate that the levying of show causes might be lightened as well under this scenario. Haven't read any such claims on any State board or anywhere else for that matter, but was wondering if anyone else has sniffed anything like this? If it is true then how deep must the **** be for the NCAA to just say screw it, take this so we can stop digging and get the hell out of here.

 

[57stratdawg]

Who knows. I would imagine this is going to be a hotbed of rumors for the next year.

I don't see them getting a multiyear bowlban with the way TV revenue works today. I don't think the SEC would go for that. I could see them self imposing one this year (like Rosebowl said) if they stumble out of the gate.

 

[121Josey]

I don't think those sanctions seem over the top. I think that's what they'll eventually get. But I don't think that's how the process works and if it were, they are past the point of "plea-bargaining". They are supposed to appear before the committee on infractions in the next couple of weeks. And if it were the case that the NCAA were ready to pack up shop, they would cripple them for a decade and clean house. It's an pandemic in Oxford.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I would be totally surprised if negotiations were not ongoing .

 

[LandsurveyorDawg]

I am not sure Ole Miss has anything to compromise with. The NCAA already has them dead to rights. The NCAA can "GIVE" them any penalty they deem appropriate at the COI.
This is probably just another Ole Miss lie/spin.

 

[tatedog]

Yeah the 3 year bowl ban seems way too good to be true, but then again, maybe not made against the backdrop of you can have it or what's behind door #2. Here's the other thing I'm not sure has been discussed yet: With the new playoff system how bad would it look for a team on a multi year major probation to be involved? Can they really ban a team from the playoffs if they aren't banned from bowls? Ole Miss flirted with being a playoff team last year even with Tunsil sitting out half the season, so it has to be in their minds when dealing out the penalties.

 

[patdog]

That's exactly why I don't believe any of these rumors about negotiations. Why would the NCAA need to negotiate with any school it's investigating?

 

[tatedog]

I don't really see it as a negotiation as much as "take it or we keep digging..."

Either way, I am sure the guy was totally full of crap.

 

[HD6]

If a compromise means they have enough to slap on a 3 year bowl ban, then they might as well give them the death penalty. There's no way Ole Miss would accept that, that's the high end of any punishment.

 

[fishwater99]

Who knows. I would imagine this is going to be a hotbed of rumors for the next year.

I don't see them getting a multiyear bowlban with the way TV revenue works today. I don't think the SEC would go for that. I could see them self imposing one this year (like Rosebowl said) if they stumble out of the gate.

No way TSUN will self-impose a bowl ban.

 

[patdog]

Why would the NCAA have to say "take it or we keep digging?" Mississippi is going to "take" whatever sanctions the NCAA hands out. It's not like they have a choice. And the NCAA can either keep digging or not, there's nothing Mississippi can do about it either way.

 

[Drebin]

Read on a message board of another SEC school that is highly interested in the outcome of the Ole Miss sanctions that a compromise is already on the table. The punishment this guy claims seems pretty over the top (3 year bowl ban and loss of 20 over 4 years). The compromise part is that Ole Miss accepting the punishments as such would end the investigation as it pertains to any current or past players and clean the slate. He seemed to insinuate that the levying of show causes might be lightened as well under this scenario. Haven't read any such claims on any State board or anywhere else for that matter, but was wondering if anyone else has sniffed anything like this? If it is true then how deep must the **** be for the NCAA to just say screw it, take this so we can stop digging and get the hell out of here.

That seems like a weird combo to me. A three year bowl ban is a pretty excessive penalty. On the other hand, I would be disappointed if they only got 20 scholarships over 4 years.

 

[tatedog]

There is no need to keep digging if they get an admission of guilt though, and that is a lot cheaper than continuing the investigation. I have no doubt the NCAA is the judge, jury and executioner, but at some point you start to get diminishing returns spending time and money on this, and it's like playing whack a mole with the level of cheating up there.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

What bargaining power does OM have? Saving the NCAAs time?

 

[tatedog]

Contrary to popular opinion on this board, I think Ole Miss benefits greatly the longer this process takes for one simple reason: fundraising. The day the reality hits, you are going to see a big drop off in financial support, which they are going to desperately need. Meanwhile, I've seen no evidence that their recruiting "process" has been slowed down by any cloud hanging over the program.

 

[121Josey]

The NCAA Sanctions Mitigation Blueprint, according to Spokesman Pat Forde. Article

 

[coach66]

I agree, they are only going to get a one year bowl ban but I also agree with

Drebin that they will lose between 20 to 30 schollies over 4 years. If they as much as think about returning to their high speed cheating ways during this period (4years) then the NCAA will have no mercy.

 

[patdog]

Mississippi's never going to admit to anything the NCAA hasn't already uncovered, so the cost of the investigation will be the same with or without an admission of guilt. I have little doubt that Mississippi would like to negotiate penalties with the NCAA. But it's hard to negotiate when you have zero leverage and the other party is holding all of the cards.

 

[121Josey]

Contrary to popular opinion on this board, I think Ole Miss benefits greatly the longer this process takes for one simple reason: fundraising. The day the reality hits, you are going to see a big drop off in financial support, which they are going to desperately need. Meanwhile, I've seen no evidence that their recruiting "process" has been slowed down by any cloud hanging over the program.

I think you choose not to see whats happening on both fronts you mentioned. The easiest path would be to visit Rebels247. They did get Willie Gay, right? You won't see the drop in financial support until reality sets in and they start sucking on the field.

 

[aTotal360]

I would assume the only negotiating that would occur would be in the form of an appeal.

 

[tatedog]

I'd prefer not visit that site, but I'm all ears if you want to give me the Cliff's Notes.

 

[msstate7]

I'd rather see 1 year bowl ban with 25-30 scholarship reduction. The reduction will equal a "bowl ban"

 

[the dog is on the loose]

The ncaa needs to let them know that if they screw up again in the next three years or so that the death penalty is coming. Otherwise, ole miss will just take their lumps and keep on doing the same thing. I'm still thinking we will all be disappointed with the outcome of this. This is not all the hatred whataburger keeps talking about. This is about ole miss thumbing their noses at the rule book. Heck I'm still pissed at the slap on the wrist auburn got over the cam newton deal just because they are auburn.

 

[tatedog]

What slap on the wrist did Auburn get? I didn't think they even opened an official investigation once they established that Cam had no idea that his dad was selling him.

 

[121Josey]

I'd prefer not visit that site, but I'm all ears if you want to give me the Cliff's Notes.

They're ranked 32nd according to composite rankings, right about where State was last year before the Simmons' commitment.

 

[msstate7]

They're ranked 32nd according to composite rankings, right about where State was last year before the Simmons' commitment.

They landed gay, but it's their OOS recruiting that is suffering. I don't think they're as brazen outside Mississippi right now

 

[121Josey]

I'd rather see 1 year bowl ban with 25-30 scholarship reduction. The reduction will equal a "bowl ban"

I agree with the de facto bowl ban. But their last recruiting class, if it materializes, will eclipse the one year bowl ban.

 

[tatedog]

They just have more room for late miracles.**

 

[wasabaka]

The NCAA Sanctions Mitigation Blueprint, according to Spokesman Pat Forde. Article

Exemplary cooperation.

 

[Dawgzilla]

There was an official investigation, but since there was insufficient evidence of an infraction there was never an allegation or any punishment. The NCAA conducted a large number of interviews of both MSU and Auburn people, and people in Georgia who did business with the Newtons. They got Cecil's personal and business financial records. That case ultimately came down to a rules interpretation.

 

[bsquared24]

To me it seems pretty simple and say the penalty will be somewhere between USC and Miami recent sanctions

USC: The football team was forced to vacate the final two wins of its 2004 national championship season, as well as all of its wins in 2005. It was also banned from bowl games in both 2010 and 2011 and was docked 30 scholarships over three years. The basketball team gave up all of its wins from the 2007-08 season and sat out postseason play in 2010. The NCAA accepted USC's earlier elimination of its wins between November 2006 and May 2009 and did not sanction the team further

Miami: The NCAA announced its sanctions against Miami and four former coaches on October 22, 2013:[SUP][20][/SUP] As stated by the NCAA, these sanctions were brought about by the University of Miami’s lack of institutional control in the poorly monitored activities of a major booster, the men’s basketball and football coaching staffs, student-athletes and prospects.[SUP][21][/SUP]

• Entire athletic program
  • Three years of probation.
• Football
  • No further postseason ban.
  • Loss of 9 total scholarships over the 2014, 2015, and 2016 seasons. The program may divide those as it chooses.
  • Players on unofficial visits may be provided only one complimentary ticket to one home game in both 2014 and 2015.
• Men's basketball
  • Loss of one scholarship in each of the 2014–15, 2015–16, and 2016–17 seasons.
• Coaches
  • Former Miami men's basketball coach Frank Haith, who by that point in time was the head coach at Missouri (and took the same position at Tulsa in 2014), was suspended for the first five games of the 2013–14 season.
  • Three former Miami assistants—Aubrey Hill (football), Clint Hurtt (football), and Jorge Fernández (men's basketball)—each received a two-year show-cause penalty. At the time of the announcement, Hurtt was the defensive line coach at Louisville; that school has not yet commented on his future.[SUP][22][/SUP]

[SUP]
Miami also had a NCAA bigwig in Paul Dee as their athletic director which many think is a reason for the light touch.
[/SUP]

 

[drt7891]

This. And the support for Freeze and Bjork won't slow until he stops winning games. Part of the reason they are "all-in."

 

[fishwater99]

20 scholarships over 4 years
1 year Bowl ban
Show clause for 3 assistants
HF gets 6 game suspension
4 year probation

 

[Drebin]

20 scholarships over 4 years
1 year Bowl ban
Show clause for 3 assistants
HF gets 6 game suspension
4 year probation

aGAIN, 20 over 4 would suck. USC got more than that.

 

[aTotal360]

OT: Does vacating wins do/mean anything? Do you have to pay the winnings back? Seems like the most pointless penalty ever created. Are fans supposed to pretend they didn't go to that bowl game and win?

 

[engie]

That doesn't paint a very honest picture of the actual Miami sanctions because listed sanctions were on top of what they had previously self-imposed while the investigation was ongoing, which included 2 years of bowl bans, and one missed appearance in the ACC title game. Miami missed 3 post-season football games in their sanctions, and I'm not sure of the extent of the recruiting restrictions, but I imagine they were pretty extensive.

If OM gets hit as hard as either one of those schools did -- it sets them back a decade. The restrictions will bump Freeze out when the losses pile up if the investigation itself doesn't. They aren't blessed with the natural setting to reload that those two schools are(and we haven't truly seen either come back yet).

 

[Shmuley]

^^^ this is close. 20-30 over 4. 5 yrs probation. I've seen speculation that Beav may get up to 9 games.

 

[bsquared24]

OT: Does vacating wins do/mean anything? Do you have to pay the winnings back? Seems like the most pointless penalty ever created. Are fans supposed to pretend they didn't go to that bowl game and win?

I have to wonder what the HF contract says about vacated victories. If I remember correctly he got a 100k bonus for each SEC win. If they vacate the wins does he have to repay the money? I don't even want to think about the tax implications if so.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Wait, he gets a bonus for each SEC win? IOW, he is being paid $5 million+ per year to LOSE 8 SEC games???

 

[57stratdawg]

I would think you're in the ballpark. I would add the vacating of wins from 2010 through 2015 seems very likely too. Certainly 2010 through 2014.