They have two more wins then we do against weaker competition and we CRUSHED them. They are a projected two seed and we're a bubble team. What a joke. The ranking systems suck. Duke would probably have to lose five more games to drop out of the top 20.
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Seton Hall is 10-6 vs quad 1 teams and 5-2 vs Quad 2 teams.
Rutgers is 4-9 vs quad 1 teams and 4-1 vs Quad 2 teams.
Hall's average opponent NET is 80, RU's is 96.
Hall's average NET win is 99, RU's is 130.
Hall's average NET loss is 32, RU's is 40. Hall's SOS is 15, RU's is 43.
Come on now.
Rutgers is 4-9 vs quad 1 teams and 4-1 vs Quad 2 teams.
Hall's average opponent NET is 80, RU's is 96.
Hall's average NET win is 99, RU's is 130.
Hall's average NET loss is 32, RU's is 40. Hall's SOS is 15, RU's is 43.
Come on now.
Why are you wasting your time arguing with the OP? The guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Those that know, know what SHU's record and NET is. You have nothing to prove.
Don't make me take SHU side in an argument
I was trying to think of the perfect response. Good work.
Not Seton hall but Duke. ACC stinks this year. They lost to lousy Wake on the road. They lost to Austin at home and we won versus them. Duke might be like a 3 seed, that is a joke.
Perception matters in rankings especially with the perceived elite schools that are in the top ten every year.
My comment had nothing to do with computer algorithms but rather weekly rankings by coaches and AP.
You're kind of arguing my point that the rating systems aren't very good and the quad system is poorly constructed - beating Vermont on the road gets you more points than beating Minnesota at home. I don't need to know anything more than that. My original point is that overall we play better teams and we beat SHU handily. I think that if we played them 10 times we win six or more times. With that in mind they shouldn't be ranked 30+ spots behind them. The whole world is so wrapped up in computer statistics that it kind of makes me want to puke, plus, if the ranking systems were all so good they would all be the same. Let's see how it pans out. Usually the final four has at least a couple of one and two seeds in it. If this year's final four has maybe a six and seven seed in it then the rankings weren't very accurate. I think that might happen.
The inferior school to the North may be better this year but I take comfort in knowing that Rutgers is infinitely more popular, gets significantly more local press/media coverage, is most definitely "NEW JERSEY's TEAM".. and on our way to being the consistently dominant program in the state.
Are you smoking meth?
Minnesota has a net ranking of 45. Vermont has a net of 78.
Freaking hilarious take.
Yep, and flipping home courts is a 7.5 to 8 point difference. You think a separation between 45 and 78 this year is more than that?
From a power ratings standpoint, a team would be a bigger favorite at home against Minnesota than Vermont on the road (today).
Right now, I have Minnesota as about -6.5 against Vermont at home and +1.5 on the road.
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I would think of any board in the D1 universe that a Rutgers board this season would be most willing to acknowledge how much easier it is to win at home than on the road. Beating a team ranked around #25 at home is roughly the same as beating a team ranked around #75 on the road (give or take a point here or there).
Vermont lost to 14-14 UMBC at home. GTFO with this nonsense. Other losses include UNCG at home, Yale, and rider at home.
Have any other BS you wanna try peddling on here! Go for it. I could use a laugh.
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Vegas laughs at you. I mean I can make fun of whatever thought pops into your head if throwing out anecdotes is what we are after. Rutgers would be a bigger favorite at home over Minnesota (roughly 4 points) than they would be playing a road game at Vermont (roughly 1 point).
Minnesota is far and away a better team than Vermont and it's not even close. If big bad Vermont is losing at home to UMBC and rider, we would be them by 12+ on the road.
you can keep your opinion, I'm just pointing out that Vegas sportsbooks disagree with you as to the relative difficult of beating Minnesota at home as compared to Vermont on the road.
It's quite common for the average fan to underestimate how important home court is and how difficult it is to win on the road. Per this old article from KenPom, beating the 90th ranked team on the road is roughly equivalent to beating the 20th ranked team at home.
Here is a listing of all of the teams in the country that would be favored by 12+ points at Vermont today:
Good for you. Doesn't mean that we wouldn't stomp that **** team
Why stop at 12 then? Why not just declare you’d beat the **** team by 50 points if you’re making things up?
Vermont is obviously better than you realize.