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Shupirate2020

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LOL. I went to HS in Central Jersey and I don't think one person in my class went to SHU.

Again, you guys look forward to it. We don't care as much. We don't view ourselves as having anything to prove to you, which is indicative of basically the entire issue here.
There’s only been one court storming in the entire history of this series and it wasn’t seton hall. But yes, tell us more about how little this means to ru fans
 
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SHUMAN

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Where would you rank in SAT scores in the B1G? How many hundreds of points behind Nebraska?

No one would argue with a straight face that South Orange is a more fun or interesting place to attend college than New Brunswick, and due east of SHU's campus makes the bad part of New Brunswick look like Millburn.
Ok, to answer your question - for SAT scores in Big Ten, Rutgers would rank 8th and SHU would rank 11th. Also, from last entering class data, SHU had higher % of entering students in their HS top 10% than RU. Not saying that this makes SHU better school; rather that the difference between the two schools is much closer than some RU faithful want to accept. Even as we recruit at my firm, candidates from RU, SHU, Lehigh, Fordham, some SUNY-schools are generally considered in the same range (educationally).

My son is now a HS senior and my wife (an RU engineering alum) is dead-set against him applying to Rutgers. Not that she needed to worry, his grades and test scores are high enough to have more favorable options than either SHU or Rutgers, LOL. He and most of his friends have zero interest in Rutgers or SHU, and majority of schools in NJ. Most of these kids won't even look at them as safety schools. Maybe the New Brunswick (or South Orange) life fits for some but many kids today with higher grades want to go to schools with real campuses - UVA, Michigan, ND, Cornell, V-Bilt, Wake Forest etc. It's a hard sell to go from visiting one of these schools to then walking around New Brunswick. Even my daughter, a ninth grader, has let it be known that there is no way she would go to school in New Brunswick (tbh, I expect she'd have the same answer for South Orange, too). At least South Orange is a place one could see themselves living and raising a family. Not sure one can same the same about New Brunswick with a straight face.
 
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There’s only been one court storming in the entire history of this series and it wasn’t seton hall. But yes, tell us more about how little this means to ru fans

I think that was because of the hilarity of winning by 20 points and the fact that it was 19-2 at some point.
 
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Ok, to answer your question - for SAT scores in Big Ten, Rutgers would rank 8th and SHU would rank 11th. Also, from last entering class data, SHU had higher % of entering students in their HS top 10% than RU. Not saying that this makes SHU better school; rather that the difference between the two schools is much closer than some RU faithful want to accept. Even as we recruit at my firm, candidates from RU, SHU, Lehigh, Fordham, some SUNY-schools are generally considered in the same range (educationally).

My son is now a HS senior and my wife (an RU engineering alum) is dead-set against him applying to Rutgers. Not that she needed to worry, his grades and test scores are high enough to have more favorable options than either SHU or Rutgers, LOL. He and most of his friends have zero interest in Rutgers or SHU, and majority of schools in NJ. Most of these kids won't even look at them as safety schools. Maybe the New Brunswick (or South Orange) life fits for some but many kids today with higher grades want to go to schools with real campuses - UVA, Michigan, ND, Cornell, V-Bilt, Wake Forest etc. It's a hard sell to go from visiting one of these schools to then walking around New Brunswick. Even my daughter, a ninth grader, has let it be known that there is no way she would go to school in New Brunswick (tbh, I expect she'd have the same answer for South Orange, too). At least South Orange is a place one could see themselves living and raising a family. Not sure one can same the same about New Brunswick with a straight face.

Oh well, if your job or your family feels that way it must apply universally. Anyone can look at the numbers. And no one here is saying RU is Michigan or UVA or Cornell. We're simply saying where the "beef" in this "rivalry" is and why you guys have it and why we do not.

But credit to you guys for outpacing the cow college in PA in SAT scores. That's actually hilarious.
 
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STLPirate12

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The 2017 comeback win court storming was appropriate. The 2019 blowout of a team missing it's top 2 players court storming was a bit odd though.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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Stop playing Seton Hall.

There is no upside. They wouldn't even open the upper tier for us. They act like we cannot simply "ghost" them.

Sooo.. time to ghost them. Even walk away from our home game next year. They broke the contract last season. Force Hobbs to do this because he will not do it willingly.
 

srru86

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I'm not eager to end the series.

Wouldn't get agitated if it did.

My preferred outcome would be for SHU and their CYO league fading into irrelevance. Playing them would be more like a game with Rider or St. Pete's.

Anymore of this preferential nonsense going their way just to satisfy a few Jersey centric hoops heads and scribblers - and I'd walk away.

They need us, and the BE needs the B10, going forward more than we need them.
 
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Shupirate2020

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I'm not eager to end the series.

Wouldn't get agitated if it did.

My preferred outcome would be for SHU and their CYO league fading into irrelevance. Playing them would be more like a game with Rider or St. Pete's.

Anymore of this preferential nonsense going their way just to satisfy a few Jersey centric hoops heads and scribblers - and I'd walk away.

They need us, and the BE needs the B10, going forward more than we need them.
Lol this one gets me every team. In what world does the Big East “need” the b10??

Big east currently has 4 teams ranked, with providence and Marquette knocking on the door, hell even DePaul looks like it’s finally getting it’s act together (rutgers would know)

The big east consistently wins the gavitt games as was the case this year and at this point everyone knows the b10 will choke in March so it’s not like those wins are overly impressive

So please, enlighten me on even a single reason why the big east “needs” the b10.

Seems like some people are just a little insecure that a CYO league is the superior basketball conference lmao
 

STLPirate12

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Lol this one gets me every team. In what world does the Big East “need” the b10??

Big east currently has 4 teams ranked, with providence and Marquette knocking on the door, hell even DePaul looks like it’s finally getting it’s act together (rutgers would know)

The big east consistently wins the gavitt games as was the case this year and at this point everyone knows the b10 will choke in March so it’s not like those wins are overly impressive

So please, enlighten me on even a single reason why the big east “needs” the b10.

Seems like some people are just a little insecure that a CYO league is the superior basketball conference lmao
I agree with you that his claim is ridiculous, but this is the first time the Big East won the GG's. Mostly ties and the B1G won twice. This year was the only particularly lopsided one though.
 

SirPerceval

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I don't want the series to end but the intensity is no doubt significantly less now that we are 7 years into the B1G. When we were in the BE I used to be on the SHU board daily - I haven't been on that board in a long, long time.
 
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I don't want the series to end but the intensity is no doubt significantly less now that we are 7 years into the B1G. When we were in the BE I used to be on the SHU board daily - I haven't been on that board in a long, long time.
From an overall fan perspective, it’s much more intense now and the crowds back that up
 

SirPerceval

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From an overall fan perspective, it’s much more intense now and the crowds back that up
That seems to mainly be due to both teams being very competitive now - if we were both playing in the BE and at the same competitive level as now, that game and the entire week would be crazy.
 
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That seems to mainly be due to both teams being very competitive now - if we were both playing in the BE and at the same competitive level as now, that game and the entire week would be crazy.
Yeah, plating once per season adds juice too

I remember being at both courts when RU was in the BE and the arenas were half full