RU-SHU rivalry

[IL Lusciato]

So, to sum up:
-You're afraid of Newark -- I wonder why?
-SHU fans are all from Nutley/Belleville/Bloomfield and don't know anyone from the midwest -- and all their basketball players are a stone's throw away, too
-Despite the fact that the Big East drubbed the Big10 head-to-head this year, you still think the interleague play is inferior. As if Michigan State has the RU game circled on their calendar. (Meanwhile, the SJU and VU rivalries are more natural and better than anyone on the B10 slate in your case)
-The game means more to SHU but there's outrage when the perceived "red wave" couldn't all get tickets for Sunday's game.

Obviously, some tongue in cheek, but I don't know whether your post was more condescending or tone deaf.

I live down the block from the Rock. I think we could have sold a bunch more RU tickets after the Purdue win. But I get why the uppers stay closed. I think I'd been to maybe one other SHU game in the past. But ill say, the crowd on Sunday was raucous and impressive. Alotta obnoxious fans though. Just more trash talk during off moments than I ever have really seen. Although nothing physical or too vulgar. Looking forward to going back in 2 years. And really looking forward to next year at JMA

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

NJ was the last state to create a state university, and then RU turned down the BE first go around, so that's how SHU became a "rival" but it's not in the real sense.

The games have been testy and interesting over the years but you could say that about any number of BE and now B1G teams. The average RU alum is not going to run into SHU on a daily basis unless they live in South Orange. It's a small regional school, has a good law school, that's about it. I lived in the tri-state area my whole life and know far more people that went to UDel, for example, than there. Their fans just have a chip on their shoulder because they admit pretty much everyone while RU is a selective school with a fraction of the tuition with a real campus and teams that get far more of the state's attention.

In the scheme of things, Princeton is an Ivy League school, SHU is a little regional commuter school, and Rutgers is a Big Ten flagship. Neither of them is a real rivalry. Maryland and Cult are the real comparison points.

 

[NickRU714]

NJ was the last state to create a state university, and then RU turned down the BE first go around, so that's how SHU became a "rival" but it's not in the real sense.

The games have been testy and interesting over the years but you could say that about any number of BE and now B1G teams. The average RU alum is not going to run into SHU on a daily basis unless they live in South Orange. It's a small regional school, has a good law school, that's about it. I lived in the tri-state area my whole life and know far more people that went to UDel, for example, than there. Their fans just have a chip on their shoulder because they admit pretty much everyone while RU is a selective school with a fraction of the tuition with a real campus and teams that get far more of the state's attention.

In the scheme of things, Princeton is an Ivy League school, SHU is a little regional commuter school, and Rutgers is a Big Ten flagship. Neither of them is a real rivalry. Maryland and Cult are the real comparison points.

None of that matters. Size of school, running into alumni, academic standing, nothing.
This is a purely basketball issue. Why do people keep bringing up other things?

They are a major basketball program and perpetual NCAA tournament team literally in our state and less than an hour between schools.

Everyone talks about "NJ has no state pride" and then wants to end the only annual game between major basketball programs in the state.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

So, to sum up:
-You're afraid of Newark -- I wonder why?
-SHU fans are all from Nutley/Belleville/Bloomfield and don't know anyone from the midwest -- and all their basketball players are a stone's throw away, too
-Despite the fact that the Big East drubbed the Big10 head-to-head this year, you still think the interleague play is inferior. As if Michigan State has the RU game circled on their calendar. (Meanwhile, the SJU and VU rivalries are more natural and better than anyone on the B10 slate in your case)
-The game means more to SHU but there's outrage when the perceived "red wave" couldn't all get tickets for Sunday's game.

Obviously, some tongue in cheek, but I don't know whether your post was more condescending or tone deaf.

Did I say I was "afraid" of Newark? No. When I commute to work, which is now down to 2 days a week, I go through Newark Penn Station and it's a hell hole. Then if I went to a game, I'd be a slave to a train schedule which means I waste extra time on the way in and then I'd be stuck in that disgusting train station for possibly an hour or more with no comfortable place to even sit down. I've been there and they've actually closed the waiting room which makes it even worse. And forget driving. Newark? Hard pass.

Never said a thing about quality of play or interleague play or intraleague play which I think is what you are actually talking about. I don't care what the Big East did head-to-head this year. I've followed my team in the Big East (when it still had Syracuse, BC, Pitt, etc.) and the Big Ten and since we've been in there has been no comparison in level of talent and the atmospheres of the on campus home arenas from what it was back then.

I don't care if the other teams in the Big Ten think of us as any kind of rival or not nor did I claim they did. I would rather beat a big national name like Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue with their national notoriety and large alumni bases and hostile arenas than those Big East teams. If we were still in the AAC it might be a completely different story but we're not.

 

[NickRU714]

Also, I've lived in NJ my entire life and know nobody that went to UDel.
Since we are bringing up personal stories that have zero relevance.

Maybe 1 or 2 from HS but don't talk to anymore.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

None of that matters. Size of school, running into alumni, academic standing, nothing.
This is a purely basketball issue. Why do people keep bringing up other things?

They are a major basketball program and perpetual NCAA tournament team literally in our state and less than an hour between schools.

Everyone talks about "NJ has no state pride" and then wants to end the only annual game between major basketball programs in the state.

Obvious size of school, alumni base etc. doesn't matter to YOU but it does matter to other people.

I haven't seen a single person say they want to end the annual game. It's just not the end all be all. It mattered a lot to me 20 or 30 years ago but not so much anymore. Doesn't mean you have to feel that way.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

None of that matters. Size of school, running into alumni, academic standing, nothing.
This is a purely basketball issue. Why do people keep bringing up other things?

They are a major basketball program and perpetual NCAA tournament team literally in our state and less than an hour between schools.

Everyone talks about "NJ has no state pride" and then wants to end the only annual game between major basketball programs in the state.

Never said I wanted to end it.

But for there to be a real rivalry there has to be more juice behind it. If it's strictly what happens on the court, then should Purdue consider us a rival because we beat them 4x in a row? We've beaten Indiana pretty solidly recently. We've had good back and forth with Maryland. To me, conferences games are way more important.

Whether NJ has state pride is not dispositive of this game. Was NJ less prideful last year because it wasn't played? Is pride in Nebraska based on them playing Creighton or in Wisconsin on them playing Marquette? I don't think anyone would seriously argue that.

It's fine, play them, play Princeton, whatever Pike thinks is necessary to make the tourney is fine with me. But I just don't think RU fans view this from the lens that their fans do. They have a chip on their shoulder for the reasons I stated. RU fans and alums don't really think about them.

 

[donnie_baseball_rivals]

NJ was the last state to create a state university, and then RU turned down the BE first go around, so that's how SHU became a "rival" but it's not in the real sense.

The games have been testy and interesting over the years but you could say that about any number of BE and now B1G teams. The average RU alum is not going to run into SHU on a daily basis unless they live in South Orange. It's a small regional school, has a good law school, that's about it. I lived in the tri-state area my whole life and know far more people that went to UDel, for example, than there. Their fans just have a chip on their shoulder because they admit pretty much everyone while RU is a selective school with a fraction of the tuition with a real campus and teams that get far more of the state's attention.

In the scheme of things, Princeton is an Ivy League school, SHU is a little regional commuter school, and Rutgers is a Big Ten flagship. Neither of them is a real rivalry. Maryland and Cult are the real comparison points.

Did you write this in the 90's and re-paste it today. I run into RU and SHU people on almost a daily basis, and live in central NJ, closer to RU. Since you wrote this post, SHU is no longer a commuter school, it's actually swung so that commuters are in the minority. More people commute to rutgers on a daily basis, for perspective. SHU's lack of selectivity relates to it's mission and gives tons of need-based aid, so I'm fine if that box isn't checked when evaluating Universities. You probably know nothing about SHU's graduate health sciences program, which has exploded, and counts MANY RU grads (because you don't offer it) as alumni in the fields of physical therapy, occupational therapy, and athletic training.

So you can retire your talking points.

 

[donnie_baseball_rivals]

Obvious size of school, alumni base etc. doesn't matter to YOU but it does matter to other people.

I haven't seen a single person say they want to end the annual game. It's just not the end all be all. It mattered a lot to me 20 or 30 years ago but not so much anymore. Doesn't mean you have to feel that way.

Of course it matters, just not in the context of a basketball game.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Also, I've lived in NJ my entire life and know nobody that went to UDel.
Since we are bringing up personal stories that have zero relevance.

Maybe 1 or 2 from HS but don't talk to anymore.

I have several group texts with various mixes of RU fans. Basically the only comment is that RU took a step back from last season. Not "oh no, we'll be hearing from all those SHU fans for a whole year" like you might hear in a real, contentious, rivalry. OTOH, that's the type of message I do get when we play the team in Central PA or Cuse.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Of course it matters, just not in the context of a basketball game.

To YOU. If it's just about basketball then it's just a game against another team. So in a pure basketball context then the Seton Hall game should mean even less because year after year the Big Ten is loaded with teams not just in the Top 25 but the Top 10.

Rutgers also has football and there are a lot of fans that care more about that than basketball even if they might attend some basketball games. You know how many times I've listed to the WRSU Knight Line call in show after a basketball game and all people wanted to talk about was football recruiting? Seton Hall just has basketball so that is by definition a lot more important to their alumni base than it is for Rutgers.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Did you write this in the 90's and re-paste it today. I run into RU and SHU people on almost a daily basis, and live in central NJ, closer to RU. Since you wrote this post, SHU is no longer a commuter school, it's actually swung so that commuters are in the minority. More people commute to rutgers on a daily basis, for perspective. SHU's lack of selectivity relates to it's mission and gives tons of need-based aid, so I'm fine if that box isn't checked when evaluating Universities. You probably know nothing about SHU's graduate health sciences program, which has exploded, and counts MANY RU grads (because you don't offer it) as alumni in the fields of physical therapy, occupational therapy, and athletic training.

So you can retire your talking points.

I'm sure RU has more commuters in raw numbers because it's a much bigger school. We're talking about percentage. Percentage wise, more commuters at SHU.

That's fine that the mission is let in everyone and their mother. But Rutgers is flagship university, AAU University, one of the best public schools in America, and that's the way we prefer it. Of course we can't take academic flyers the way schools like SHU can and that's why it's better to be in the B1G (among many other reasons).

It's great SHU acquired a med school. We need doctors and not everyone can get into RWJ. Much like it's important for there to be an autoadmit school in NJ because not only can RU not take everyone but also Montclair, Willy P, etc cannot. The law school is the one school with a comparative program that outranks RU and in both cases the school isn't even on the main campus.

 

[bac2therac]

Fair. But no one at Princeton considers either a peer. And, in the spirit of the original post, I look forward to the game every year, and obviously so do the packed houses at the Prudential Center and JMA.

remember the absolute rage between our two boards in the 2000s. Reality is once RU left the Big East, the rivalry sort of dimmed in importance. Its less a big deal for Rutgers and its fans because part of the reason they hated SHU so much was because somehow this little rinky dink Catholic school got an invite to what turned out to be the first conference that was made for TV. RU fans were jealous that they were not able to taste that success that was probably rightfully theirs. Ridiculed as the "little red school house", even though RU was mired in general mediocrity the SHU game was always a game that we looked forward to to prove ourselves.

Once RU got into the Big 10, that was big time and the intensity has faded each year IMO. SHU now sees it as the bigger game because RU now is getting all the states attention as being the flagship university from a respected academic conference

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Can't we just keep any discussion contained to basketball teams.

 

[donnie_baseball_rivals]

I'm sure RU has more commuters in raw numbers because it's a much bigger school. We're talking about percentage. Percentage wise, more commuters at SHU.

That's fine that the mission is let in everyone and their mother. But Rutgers is flagship university, AAU University, one of the best public schools in America, and that's the way we prefer it. Of course we can't take academic flyers the way schools like SHU can and that's why it's better to be in the B1G (among many other reasons).

It's great SHU acquired a med school. We need doctors and not everyone can get into RWJ. Much like it's important for there to be an autoadmit school in NJ because not only can RU not take everyone but also Montclair, Willy P, etc cannot. The law school is the one school with a comparative program that outranks RU and in both cases the school isn't even on the main campus.

OK, so with more residents than commuters, SHU isn't a commuter school. SHU didn't acquire a med school, unfortunately, and I believe that has very little to do with it any more. Either way, it's as good a school as RWJ (now RU-RWJMS for the past several years) far from "autoadmit." Can you conceive of a MEDICAL school that is?

The law school is in Newark, so what? RU-RWJ is in Piscataway, your business school is in Newark. It seems like you're really grasping at straws to discredit a very good, not top-shelf, University.

 

[donnie_baseball_rivals]

Once RU got into the Big 10, that was big time and the intensity has faded each year IMO. SHU now sees it as the bigger game because RU now is getting all the states attention as being the flagship university from a respected academic conference

You make good and fair points. To that end, your football team got a lot of attention this year, and not for the stellar defense.

 

[SHUMAN]

NJ was the last state to create a state university, and then RU turned down the BE first go around, so that's how SHU became a "rival" but it's not in the real sense.

The games have been testy and interesting over the years but you could say that about any number of BE and now B1G teams. The average RU alum is not going to run into SHU on a daily basis unless they live in South Orange. It's a small regional school, has a good law school, that's about it. I lived in the tri-state area my whole life and know far more people that went to UDel, for example, than there. Their fans just have a chip on their shoulder because they admit pretty much everyone while RU is a selective school with a fraction of the tuition with a real campus and teams that get far more of the state's attention.

In the scheme of things, Princeton is an Ivy League school, SHU is a little regional commuter school, and Rutgers is a Big Ten flagship. Neither of them is a real rivalry. Maryland and Cult are the real comparison points.

Love the perception that RU is an academic powerhouse. Princeton has a 6% acceptance rate. The acceptance rate at RU is 61%- is that really selective? More people getting in than rejected. You rank 9th in the Big Ten by acceptance rate. SHU would rank 11th (73% acceptance) if included in Big Ten rankings. Your comparison point of Maryland has a much lower acceptance rate (44%).

Regarding tuition, few pay the full SHU sticker and one could argue that a small campus in South Orange is preferable to riding around on a bus to classes in New Brunswick (a town with a D+ crime rating). To each, his/her own.

 

[bac2therac]

You make good and fair points. To that end, your football team got a lot of attention this year, and not for the stellar defense.

I just think that when RU was in the Big East, it was all about trying to catch up to the intense local schools...Syracuse, UConn, Nova, SHU. I mean I like where we are now because we needed the change and upgrade. I do not think we could sustain long term success in the Big East. A bunch of schools that had little in common with us except we all played sports.

I mean yes I miss the intensity of the local rivalries and back and forth on the message boards but I really think that ship has sailed. Do I want to beat SHU every year, sure but I was not exactly broken up about the loss last night. Better team won.

 

[donnie_baseball_rivals]

To YOU. If it's just about basketball then it's just a game against another team. So in a pure basketball context then the Seton Hall game should mean even less because year after year the Big Ten is loaded with teams not just in the Top 25 but the Top 10.

Rutgers also has football and there are a lot of fans that care more about that than basketball even if they might attend some basketball games. You know how many times I've listed to the WRSU Knight Line call in show after a basketball game and all people wanted to talk about was football recruiting? Seton Hall just has basketball so that is by definition a lot more important to their alumni base than it is for Rutgers.

Thank you for clarifying. In fairness, the last two times SHU and RU have played, SHU was in the top 25.

 

[Joey Bags]

Then please explain why SHU has better home attendance than RU year after year.

I was replying to the guy who said he'd rather play Princeton than SHU annually. I was saying that's a dumb idea since PU is a low major with an almost non-existent fanbase.

 

[MADHAT1]

Seton Hall is an instate rival.
Those type of rivalries are needed, in my opinion.
When RU wins it's a big deal to Rutgers fans, though some RU fans claim otherwise
The same is true with the SHU fanbase, though I'm not sure if there are members of the Pirate fanbase claiming it's just another game for Seton Hall and isn't a rivalry game

With that in mind:Seton Hall sucks
But I will congratulate them on their victory

 

[lloyde dobler]

RU and Princeton may have taken different paths especially when Rutgers became the State University in the '50's but Princeton is literally right down the road from us. It's the easiest road trip either team can have and I personally have always liked going down to Jadwin which I usually try to do every year whether RU is playing them or not. Plus I'm a big fan of nostalgia and pre-'80's college basketball before it exploded and became just about TV and they represent that to me. I haven't been to a Seton Hall home game in probably over 20 years. I would consider going to the Meadowlands but no way I'm going to Newark if I have a choice, sorry.

In the '80's and '90's when we were stuck in the A-10 and Seton Hall benefitted from the invite to the Big East, it meant a lot to Rutgers because we were like how the hell did this happen? Then, when we were both in the Big East we could both impact each other's seasons, often played twice a year, and supposedly were recruiting rivals (I always thought that recruiting stuff was the most overrated part of this. We both get guys from Texas, Europe, whatever. It wasn't like we were just pulling in local kids.) But when we parted ways and we moved to a conference and were playing games against national brands Michigan State, Indiana, Michigan, Maryland, Ohio State and the rest, the game against Seton Hall suddenly became a helluva lot less important to me. Conference games matter the most and throw in those name brands and large alumni bases and it's a no brainer for me.

The game definitely means a lot more to Seton Hall not because we're better (which we obviously are not) but because their folks seem to hate Rutgers for being the state university with all its perceived resources and getting all the publicity (which they feel is undeserved) and being seen as a liberal school or whatever. I'm also not sure how juicy the rivalries are in the new Big East or how excited their fans get to play teams like Creighton other than fact that they're good. There are Big Ten alumni and fans all over the place that we've come to dislike but I wonder if anyone from Seton Hall has ever known or run into anyone that went to DePaul or Creighton or Butler.

Everyone from both sides sees the opposite in this.

How many Rutgers people have run into someone who attended Iowa, Nebraska or Minnesota? It works both ways.

The No. 1 reason SHU fans don’t like Rutgers, and the No. 1 reason that Rutgers fans don’t like Rutgers is because it’s not their own. The other reasons on the list follow after that.

BTW - What’s the problem with attending an event in Newark? I assume you mean any event there, and not just SHU?

 

[bethlehemfan]

Everyone from both sides sees the opposite in this.

How many Rutgers people have run into someone who attended Iowa, Nebraska or Minnesota? It works both ways.

The No. 1 reason SHU fans don’t like Rutgers, and the No. 1 reason that Rutgers fans don’t like Rutgers is because it’s not their own. The other reasons on the list follow after that.

BTW - What’s the problem with attending an event in Newark? I assume you mean any event there, and not just SHU?

I know more Clemson nc iowa Michigan Michigan state and Ohio state fans among others than shu fans.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

BTW - What’s the problem with attending an event in Newark? I assume you mean any event there, and not just SHU?

Responded in subsequent post. Correct, has nothing to do with SHU.

 

[MLBash93]

Yeah. Seems like being an elite academic and athletic school works really well for Michigan, UVA, UNC, Stanford, Duke, among others. We don't need to be shady to win.

Unc - the academic scandal
Duke - recruiting violations

We will never be Stanford.

I didn't say we need to be shady to win but we can toe the line once in while

 

[IL Lusciato]

I'm sure RU has more commuters in raw numbers because it's a much bigger school. We're talking about percentage. Percentage wise, more commuters at SHU.

That's fine that the mission is let in everyone and their mother. But Rutgers is flagship university, AAU University, one of the best public schools in America, and that's the way we prefer it. Of course we can't take academic flyers the way schools like SHU can and that's why it's better to be in the B1G (among many other reasons).

It's great SHU acquired a med school. We need doctors and not everyone can get into RWJ. Much like it's important for there to be an autoadmit school in NJ because not only can RU not take everyone but also Montclair, Willy P, etc cannot. The law school is the one school with a comparative program that outranks RU and in both cases the school isn't even on the main campus.

SHU doesn't have a medical school...Rutgers actually has two medical schools, plus a school of dentistry all under one grand "school" umbrella...RWJ and New Jersey Medical school in Newark.

 

[IL Lusciato]

Love the perception that RU is an academic powerhouse. Princeton has a 6% acceptance rate. The acceptance rate at RU is 61%- is that really selective? More people getting in than rejected. You rank 9th in the Big Ten by acceptance rate. SHU would rank 11th (73% acceptance) if included in Big Ten rankings. Your comparison point of Maryland has a much lower acceptance rate (44%).

Regarding tuition, few pay the full SHU sticker and one could argue that a small campus in South Orange is preferable to riding around on a bus to classes in New Brunswick (a town with a D+ crime rating). To each, his/her own.

Respectully, all of you should stop with the crime stats. Its silly. Neither campus proper is particularly dangerous (including all RU campuses everywhere) ...and a few blocks into new brunswick is far less dangerous than a few blocks into Vailsburg.

We all know the differences between the schools. SHU isn't the worst school ever. Its not the size or notoriety etc of Rutgers and its not even close. That doesn't mean they didn't whoop our *** this year, have solid and committed fans, the better basketball team theblast 30 years (but not as lopsided as other regional rivalries) and can be proud of their degrees. Their law school also goes toe to toe with us in the actual work place and beats us in stats/ranking.

Let's move on to our respective next games and to next year. The hate for newark and new brunswick and South orange and Central vs North and whatever else is really getting dumb.

 

[IL Lusciato]

Everyone from both sides sees the opposite in this.

How many Rutgers people have run into someone who attended Iowa, Nebraska or Minnesota? It works both ways.

The No. 1 reason SHU fans don’t like Rutgers, and the No. 1 reason that Rutgers fans don’t like Rutgers is because it’s not their own. The other reasons on the list follow after that.

BTW - What’s the problem with attending an event in Newark? I assume you mean any event there, and not just SHU?

I run into a ton of people that are alums of Maryland, Penn st, and Michigan pretty often. Rutgers everywhere obviously... I also run into a ton of SH grads but all from the law school and very few undergrad. Maybe equal to the folks I know from Montclair, willy P, kean etc. It doesn't matter though. Totally different schools.

 

[HALL85]

I was replying to the guy who said he'd rather play Princeton than SHU annually. I was saying that's a dumb idea since PU is a low major with an almost non-existent fanbase.

My bad…thanks

 

[STLPirate12]

BTW - What’s the problem with attending an event in Newark? I assume you mean any event there, and not just SHU?

He doesn't want to be tied to train schedule. That's why he went to Rutgers so he could be tied to a bus schedule instead.

 

[Scarlet83]

Did you write this in the 90's and re-paste it today. I run into RU and SHU people on almost a daily basis, and live in central NJ, closer to RU. Since you wrote this post, SHU is no longer a commuter school, it's actually swung so that commuters are in the minority. More people commute to rutgers on a daily basis, for perspective. SHU's lack of selectivity relates to it's mission and gives tons of need-based aid, so I'm fine if that box isn't checked when evaluating Universities. You probably know nothing about SHU's graduate health sciences program, which has exploded, and counts MANY RU grads (because you don't offer it) as alumni in the fields of physical therapy, occupational therapy, and athletic training.

So you can retire your talking points.

LOL. You know nothing. LOL.

Back a few years ago, Rutgers had the second most dorm/housing residents in the entire country, next to Michigan State. And we have added dorms and campus apartment buildings since then.

 

[donnie_baseball_rivals]

I just think that when RU was in the Big East, it was all about trying to catch up to the intense local schools...Syracuse, UConn, Nova, SHU. I mean I like where we are now because we needed the change and upgrade. I do not think we could sustain long term success in the Big East. A bunch of schools that had little in common with us except we all played sports.

I mean yes I miss the intensity of the local rivalries and back and forth on the message boards but I really think that ship has sailed. Do I want to be SHU every year, sure but I was not exactly broken up about the loss last night. Better team won.

LOL. You know nothing. LOL.

Back a few years ago, Rutgers had the second most dorm/housing residents in the entire country, next to Michigan State. And we have added dorms and campus apartment buildings since then.

LOL. You know nothing. LOL.

Back a few years ago, Rutgers had the second most dorm/housing residents in the entire country, next to Michigan State. And we have added dorms and campus apartment buildings since then.

I know nothing about what? Where did I say that rutgers had a dearth of housing or residents on campus? Try reading first, thinking second, responding third.
-LOL

 

[King of S]

Wow, based on these posts the rivalry is intense. Each school has it’s pluses and minuses. Just play the game baby.

 

[STLPirate12]

Now if only Rutgers wbb would stop ducking us...lol

 

[Shupirate2020]

NJ was the last state to create a state university, and then RU turned down the BE first go around, so that's how SHU became a "rival" but it's not in the real sense.

The games have been testy and interesting over the years but you could say that about any number of BE and now B1G teams. The average RU alum is not going to run into SHU on a daily basis unless they live in South Orange. It's a small regional school, has a good law school, that's about it. I lived in the tri-state area my whole life and know far more people that went to UDel, for example, than there. Their fans just have a chip on their shoulder because they admit pretty much everyone while RU is a selective school with a fraction of the tuition with a real campus and teams that get far more of the state's attention.

In the scheme of things, Princeton is an Ivy League school, SHU is a little regional commuter school, and Rutgers is a Big Ten flagship. Neither of them is a real rivalry. Maryland and Cult are the real comparison points.

I’m a Udel grad (we refer to it as UD) and a former central nj resident and I know way more shu alumn from the area than UD alumn.

In terms of the basketball there’s no comparison to this rivalry. I look forward to this game more than any other each year and I can’t wait to be back at the rac next year.

Also, not so subtly demeaning another school’s standing and credibility is shallow, pretentious, and very off-putting. Hope for your sake you don’t carry on conversations like that in the real world

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

OK, so with more residents than commuters, SHU isn't a commuter school. SHU didn't acquire a med school, unfortunately, and I believe that has very little to do with it any more. Either way, it's as good a school as RWJ (now RU-RWJMS for the past several years) far from "autoadmit." Can you conceive of a MEDICAL school that is?

The law school is in Newark, so what? RU-RWJ is in Piscataway, your business school is in Newark. It seems like you're really grasping at straws to discredit a very good, not top-shelf, University.

LOL I see the med school seceded last year. Yikes.

Oh and the business school is in New Brunswick as well. It's right down the street from the RAC.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Love the perception that RU is an academic powerhouse. Princeton has a 6% acceptance rate. The acceptance rate at RU is 61%- is that really selective? More people getting in than rejected. You rank 9th in the Big Ten by acceptance rate. SHU would rank 11th (73% acceptance) if included in Big Ten rankings. Your comparison point of Maryland has a much lower acceptance rate (44%).

Regarding tuition, few pay the full SHU sticker and one could argue that a small campus in South Orange is preferable to riding around on a bus to classes in New Brunswick (a town with a D+ crime rating). To each, his/her own.

Where would you rank in SAT scores in the B1G? How many hundreds of points behind Nebraska?

No one would argue with a straight face that South Orange is a more fun or interesting place to attend college than New Brunswick, and due east of SHU's campus makes the bad part of New Brunswick look like Millburn.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Unc - the academic scandal
Duke - recruiting violations

We will never be Stanford.

I didn't say we need to be shady to win but we can toe the line once in while

Moreso I am speaking the general perception that "good" or "really good" schools cannot succeed in athletics. You see this all over the Big 10. Michigan is not taking academic risks and they are pretty solid across the major sports. Is RU ever going to be Michigan? No. Could we be Wisconsin? Sure. They're not doing that either.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

I’m a Udel grad (we refer to it as UD) and a former central nj resident and I know way more shu alumn from the area than UD alumn.

In terms of the basketball there’s no comparison to this rivalry. I look forward to this game more than any other each year and I can’t wait to be back at the rac next year.

Also, not so subtly demeaning another school’s standing and credibility is shallow, pretentious, and very off-putting. Hope for your sake you don’t carry on conversations like that in the real world

LOL. I went to HS in Central Jersey and I don't think one person in my class went to SHU.

Again, you guys look forward to it. We don't care as much. We don't view ourselves as having anything to prove to you, which is indicative of basically the entire issue here.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

SHU doesn't have a medical school...Rutgers actually has two medical schools, plus a school of dentistry all under one grand "school" umbrella...RWJ and New Jersey Medical school in Newark.

I didn't realize, apparently they left last year lol.

Hackensack Meridian School of Medicine (HMSOM) is a private medical school in Nutley, New Jersey. When it opened in 2015, it was the first private medical school in New Jersey to open in decades.[1] Originally affiliated with Seton Hall University, the Hackensack Meridian School of Medicine became independent in 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackensack_Meridian_School_of_Medicine

That's actually pretty sad for them when you consider the law school is basically their crown jewel and there is definitely a need for more doctors especially at the moment.