Roster is now at 11

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I think that's right.

Assume one spot for a walk-on, which Pike likes to do.

That leaves 1 spot. 2 with no walk-on scholarship.

What type of player or players get those 1 or 2 spots ?

 

[MV9000]

A 4 who can score a bit is what’s needed. I’d like that and a speedster Pg bc the roster is, is slow imo outside of Cliff and maybe Spencer (don’t know much about him)

 

[kcg88]

The transfer market is getting pretty thin. You don't necessarily want to add a guy just because. From an on court standpoint Ralph Agee didn't add anything, but he was a great teammate and was okay with his role. The next guy you add might not be so happy to transfer and ride the bench.

There are two big men from Washington State in the portal - Mo Gueye who Pike recruited out of high school, and Efe Abogidi who, like Cliff, hails from Nigeria. Both of them are sort of Reiber-ish in that they're more 4/5 hybrids, and with an entrenched center plus Reiber on our roster I'm not sure how enticing the situation looks.

There aren't really any obvious guys to pursue in the backcourt at this juncture.

 

[MV9000]

Shon Robinson outta San Jose State looks solid and is available. There are PFs out there. I would love the WSU combo but who knows

 

[Scangg]

If Cliff gets hurt, the 5 situation is scary. The problem is Cliff is going to play 30+ min a night and Dean is poised to get the rest of those minutes. It's not an attractive spot for any 5.

A 4/5 with some versatility could maybe be more attractive. I do think Pike is much higher on Hyatt than most and with Caleb returning Mag definitely should get minutes at the 4 too. We also have not seen Pike want to play a bigger more traditional 4. If we do land a 4 it might be a smaller more perimeter skilled player like we have seen with Hyatt, Harper, Yeboah

We could use some more team speed as well

Is there a possibility that Griffiths reclasses back to his original class and comes in next year? Or comes in January?

 

[Zak57]

Pike was interviewed on WFAN last week and he said we were adding a couple of players through the portal. I don't know if it was a slip of the tongue or if we had someone else lined up that wasn't announced. I don't know what they would be waiting for to announce though.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Mm

Pike was interviewed on WFAN last week and he said we were adding a couple of players through the portal. I didn't if it was a slip of the tongue or if we had someone else lined up that wasn't announced. I don't what they would be waiting for to announce though.

Wow, that's big news. Sounds like targets he is sure they are coming. I'm sure there is a lot of activity going on that we don't know about.

 

[kcg88]

If Cliff gets hurt, the 5 situation is scary. The problem is Cliff is going to play 30+ min a night and Dean is poised to get the rest of those minutes. It's not an attractive spot for any 5.

A 4/5 with some versatility could maybe be more attractive. I do think Pike is much higher on Hyatt than most and with Caleb returning Mag definitely should get minutes at the 4 too. We also have not seen Pike want to play a bigger more traditional 4. If we do land a 4 it might be a smaller more perimeter skilled player like we have seen with Hyatt, Harper, Yeboah

We could use some more team speed as well

Is there a possibility that Griffiths reclasses back to his original class and comes in next year? Or comes in January?

That's generally the case for teams in the Big Ten though. Indiana is screwed if TJD gets hurt. Michigan is screwed if Dickinson gets hurt, etc.

 

[Zak57]

Mm

Wow, that's big news. Sounds like targets he is sure they are coming. I'm sure there is a lot of activity going on that we don't know about.

The audio should be in link below if someone wants to listen to see if I misheard or not.

https://www.audacy.com/wfan/podcast...ays-name-als-tune-summer-kicks-off-1436290513

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

How good is Simpson and Spencer? To me that dictates whether we need another guard/wing.

If Cliff goes down or is in foul trouble is the guy that is still out there going to do a better job than Mag, Caleb or Hyatt guarding an opposing center?

 

[Scangg]

That's generally the case for teams in the Big Ten though. Indiana is screwed if TJD gets hurt. Michigan is screwed if Dickinson gets hurt, etc.

Dean is a smaller 5 and woolfolk is short and a true freshman.

I highly doubt their situations are as bad

 

[Scangg]

How good is Simpson and Spencer? To me that dictates whether we need another guard/wing.

If Cliff goes down or is in foul trouble is the guy that is still out there going to do a better job than Mag, Caleb or Hyatt guarding an opposing center?

Mag is injury prone and def not playing the 5. Neither is Caleb. Hyatt at least has some strength in an emergency but he's 6'6. These are not realistic options

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Mag is injury prone and def not playing the 5. Neither is Caleb. Hyatt at least has some strength in an emergency but he's 6'6. These are not realistic options

Was Agee? Was Nathan?

Let Edey have fun guarding Mag or Caleb on the other end.

 

[RU05]

Pike was interviewed on WFAN last week and he said we were adding a couple of players through the portal. I don't know if it was a slip of the tongue or if we had someone else lined up that wasn't announced. I don't know what they would be waiting for to announce though.

Pretty much a foregone conclusion these days. Just a matter of who.

 

[Scangg]

You want to play injury prone players out of position in roles that increase their chances for injury.

Caleb and Mag strengths are as perimeter defenders. You take away that advantage and play them in a spot where they would be minus defenders

Instant foul trouble concerns

Rebounding huge issue



This isn't a winning strategy

 

[RU05]

If Cliff gets hurt, the 5 situation is scary. The problem is Cliff is going to play 30+ min a night and Dean is poised to get the rest of those minutes. It's not an attractive spot for any 5.

A 4/5 with some versatility could maybe be more attractive. I do think Pike is much higher on Hyatt than most and with Caleb returning Mag definitely should get minutes at the 4 too. We also have not seen Pike want to play a bigger more traditional 4. If we do land a 4 it might be a smaller more perimeter skilled player like we have seen with Hyatt, Harper, Yeboah

We could use some more team speed as well

Is there a possibility that Griffiths reclasses back to his original class and comes in next year? Or comes in January?

I think Pike could tell any potential 5 transfer that Dean is a 4. Get a real backup 5, and Dean is the 4/5 with versatility.

Kind of interesting in that the conference is so stacked with huge centers, but that hasn't proven very succesfull in the tourney. Still I think need to get through the regular season before worrying about the tourney so I'd like to see a true backup 5 brought in.

 

[RU05]

You want to play injury prone players out of position in roles that increase their chances for injury.

Caleb and Mag strengths are as perimeter defenders. You take away that advantage and play them in a spot where they would be minus defenders

This isn't a winning strategy

I'd also say that there is some hope Caleb develops further offensively, going to be hard to do if you're making him work the blocks defensively and on the glass.

 

[Scangg]

I think Pike could tell any potential 5 transfer that Dean is a 4. Get a real backup 5, and Dean is the 4/5 with versatility.

Kind of interesting in that the conference is so stacked with huge centers, but that hasn't proven very succesfull in the tourney. Still I think need to get through the regular season before worrying about the tourney so I'd like to see a true backup 5 brought in.

Pike could probably land someone telling them Dean will play the 4 this year, but if that's not true, Pike isn't lying to recruits. He seems to be very straight forward and transparent with recruits for better or for worse. I am all about it. Deceiving 18-22 year olds about their future isn't a coaching tactic to be proud of

 

[RU05]

Pike could probably land someone telling them Dean will play the 4 this year, but if that's not true, Pike isn't lying to recruits. He seems to be very straight forward and transparent with recruits for better or for worse. I am all about it. Deceiving 18-22 year olds about their future isn't a coaching tactic to be proud of

I don't mean lie to them, if we bring in a quality backup 5, Dean would be the 4, at least predominantly.

And sometimes you need to play a 3rd center, so Dean can fill in there. Or maybe there are situations where we want to go small and spread the floor.

Hopefully end of the day whoever we bring in is good enough to play, and if they are good enough to play, they will.

 

[Scangg]

I don't mean lie to them, if we bring in a quality backup 5, Dean would be the 4, at least predominantly.

And sometimes you need to play a 3rd center, so Dean can fill in there. Or maybe there are situations where we want to go small and spread the floor.

Pike hasn't shown he wants to play someone like Dean at the 4. I don't think you can assume that is where he plays until we see it. He wants smaller 4's with perimeter skills.

Hyatt Harper Yeboah. All 6'6

 

[kcg88]

Dean is a smaller 5 and woolfolk is short and a true freshman.

I highly doubt their situations are as bad

If TJD got hurt then Indiana would have to play Race Thompson at the 5 or somebody named Logan Duncomb. Zach Edey is the only center listed on Purdue's roster (Caleb Furst would fill in I guess?)

Not many teams across the country can easily a long-term injury to a prominent big man.

 

[RU05]

Pike hasn't shown he wants to play someone like Dean at the 4. I don't think you can assume that is where he plays until we see it. He wants smaller 4's with perimeter skills.

Hyatt Harper Yeboah. All 6'6

Is that in part by necessity? Or just playing our best guys no matter the position?

I dunno, but Dean as a 5 in this conference leaves us at a severe disadvantage on the defensive end. And his offensive game is just more 4ish imo.

 

[MV9000]

I prefer only to use dean at the five against other undersized Cs or backups who happen to be freshman. He is a 4 by nature and I liked what we saw offensively from him late in the season. Hopefully he added some muscle.

we need another big body to bang against the Edeys of the world and whatever other monsters Purdue/Illini/Umich procure.

 

[Scangg]

Is that in part by necessity? Or just playing our best guys no matter the position?

I dunno, but Dean as a 5 in this conference leaves us at a severe disadvantage on the defensive end. And his offensive game is just more 4ish imo.

Maybe? EO was 6'6 too... at some point you have to think it isn't necessity. It's what Pike wants from his 4. Dean is 6'10 and not a perimeter ball handler. Can he guard other 4's?

Seems more likely he bulks up and is the backup 5 than Pike completely changes what he has gone with his entire time here and goes with a monster 4 big lineup

 

[RU05]

Maybe? EO was 6'6 too... at some point you have to think it isn't necessity. It's what Pike wants from his 4. Dean is 6'10 and not a perimeter ball handler. Can he guard other 4's?

Seems more likely he bulks up and is the backup 5 than Pike completely changes what he has gone with his entire time here and goes with a monster 4 big lineup

I hear what you're saying, and it might be just me disaggreeing with Pike, but to me Dean seems like a better fit at the 4.

And we have seen him put the ball on the floor and attack the rim. Not a whole lot, but in general his game to this point is still pretty undefined. We know he can shoot, we know he plays hard, but after that it's a lot of hoping for development.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

2022-2023 roster
Sr-(1)-Macconnell
Jr-(3)-Mulchay/Hyatt/Spenser
So (5)-Omouyri/Mag/Reiber/Miller/Palmquist
Fr (2)-Simpson /Wolfolk

For 2022-2023
-we are all in on Hyatt At the four.
-I think we need another center for a year


For 2023-2024…key is again keeping the roster intact …if so , I would like to see us get with the three open scholarships
-Griffths
-Stretch four
-Rin protector big man

For 2024-2025, then add
-Dylan Harper
-physical swingman (SG/SF)
-another big man/rim protectors

 

[RAC’emUp]

Maybe? EO was 6'6 too... at some point you have to think it isn't necessity. It's what Pike wants from his 4. Dean is 6'10 and not a perimeter ball handler. Can he guard other 4's?

Seems more likely he bulks up and is the backup 5 than Pike completely changes what he has gone with his entire time here and goes with a monster 4 big lineup

Dean is most definitely not 6’10. More like 6’7. I agree he is not a perimeter ball handler but he is quick enough to guard “4’s”.

 

[RU05]

I think something else to consider regarding potential center transfers is, Cliff likely goes NBA this season, if a guy comes in with multiple years of eligibility they could see a path to a starting role further down the line.

 

[Scangg]

Dean is most definitely not 6’10. More like 6’7. I agree he is not a perimeter ball handler but he is quick enough to guard “4’s”.

Dean is not 6'7. He's listed at 6'10 on the official website and TOS. 6'9 on Rivals. They aren't giving him 3 extra inches

https://scarletknights.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/dean-reiber/10601

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

You want to play injury prone players out of position in roles that increase their chances for injury.

Caleb and Mag strengths are as perimeter defenders. You take away that advantage and play them in a spot where they would be minus defenders

Instant foul trouble concerns

Rebounding huge issue



This isn't a winning strategy

The winning strategy is Cliff for 28 and Reiber for 12. We are talking about a 3rd string center.

With all these goalies in the NHL playoffs getting hurt I am starting to get worried about 3rd string center

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I prefer only to use dean at the five against other undersized Cs or backups who happen to be freshman. He is a 4 by nature and I liked what we saw offensively from him late in the season. Hopefully he added some muscle.

we need another big body to bang against the Edeys of the world and whatever other monsters Purdue/Illini/Umich procure.

The problem is, and always will be, every team has that need. If we need 15 minutes out of a 2 guard there are a zillion options. I go under the assumption that there are NO available options for a back up 5.

 

[RU_DIO]

Dean is not 6'7. He's listed at 6'10 on the official website and TOS. 6'9 on Rivals. They aren't giving him 3 extra inches

https://scarletknights.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/dean-reiber/10601

He plays and seems small for the center position. He is probably around 6'8" and he really needs 20lbs of muscle to play the center position efficiently.

 

[zebnatto]

A quick guard who can penetrate and defend other quick guards. Not confident in Miller and who knows what we get from Simpson.

 

[82RU]

Does McConnell's scholarship count against our total? Baker's last season did not so they gave a ship to Terry.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Does McConnell's scholarship count against our total? Baker's last season did not so they gave a ship to Terry.

Pretty sure the total is always 13. Could be wrong

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I think something else to consider regarding potential center transfers is, Cliff likely goes NBA this season, if a guy comes in with multiple years of eligibility they could see a path to a starting role further down the line.

This. I’d actually be surprised if our target is at the graduate level.

 

[SteveGardella]

A 4 who can score a bit is what’s needed. I’d like that and a speedster Pg bc the roster is, is slow imo outside of Cliff and maybe Spencer (don’t know much about him)

How is this roster any slower than last year...Baker and Harper weren't necessarily speedsters

 

[MV9000]

It’s not slower than last year, what we were missing imo was a speedster to mix up pace and push ala Jacob Young. If he stayed last year this teams offense would of been a lot better due to penetration and running the court.

 

[Rokodesh]

Dean is a smaller 5 and woolfolk is short and a true freshman.

I highly doubt their situations are as bad

At 6'10 240 (if he adds 15 pounds) Dean is plenty big enough to play the 5 (though I prefer the 4). He's even bigger than some NBA 5's. He just needs to bulk up which will come naturally as he goes through another offseason and grows into his frame.

 

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That's generally the case for teams in the Big Ten though. Indiana is screwed if TJD gets hurt. Michigan is screwed if Dickinson gets hurt, etc.

Or if Howard does his traditional "handshake".

MO