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This is absolutely devastating and I'm sickened over it.

I think sometimes we ALL need to remember these guys are human. Making character accusations about players, making ANY accusations about players for that matter, because they don't perform the way we WANT them to ... I think sometimes we really need to remember that.
 
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This is absolutely devastating and I'm sickened over it.

I think sometimes we ALL need to remember these guys are human. Making character accusations about players, making ANY accusations about players for that matter, because they don't perform the way we WANT them to ... I think sometimes we really need to remember that.
I highly doubt Moore’s suicide had anything to do with message board BS.

God only knows what happened inside that garage. I suspect CTE played a large role as it did in others’. But I have no clue from this distance and this family is in my prayers.

I am sorry to hear of his passing. Purdue’s victory over #1 OSU with him as the star player & difference maker looms large.
 
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I highly doubt Moore’s suicide had anything to do with message board BS.

God only knows what happened inside that garage. I suspect CTE played a large role as it did in others’. But I have no clue from this distance and this family is in my prayers.

I am sorry to hear of his passing. Purdue’s victory over #1 OSU with him as the star player & difference maker looms large.
I'm sure it had nothing to do with it. Just a terribly sad, tragic thing that happened.

Also, these boards can be toxic as hell when things don't go the way people want. Let's not ever forget these guys are human and deal with pressures that most of us can never imagine.
 

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I highly doubt Moore’s suicide had anything to do with message board BS.

God only knows what happened inside that garage. I suspect CTE played a large role as it did in others’. But I have no clue from this distance and this family is in my prayers.

I am sorry to hear of his passing. Purdue’s victory over #1 OSU with him as the star player & difference maker looms large.
You really do not know what social media he consumed, This board may be tame by comparison. We have seen where AI can lead kids to suicide. Got to imagine that message boards can do similar damage
 
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I'm sure it had nothing to do with it. Just a terribly sad, tragic thing that happened.

Also, these boards can be toxic as hell when things don't go the way people want. Let's not ever forget these guys are human and deal with pressures that most of us can never imagine.
I sadly know better than most and looking back it

We lost Matt “Chesty” Ulrich to suicide (CTE & the associated issues). 🪦 Hope his sons and widow are coping as well as they can. 🙏

This is just a game, and it’s one I will not encourage my sons to play.

Feel so awful for his family.
 
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Unfortunately, I see more and more suicides coming from Moore’s generation and millennials. I know a ton of millennials myself who are depressed as ****. A lot of it is post-COVID lockdown craziness and the other is the lack of relationships - women not wanting to have kids, etc. And this doesn’t even take into account the coming unemployment bounce as AI continues to “increase efficiency” while reducing labor.

Always check in on your people!
 
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Unfortunately, I see more and more suicides coming from Moore’s generation and millennials. I know a ton of millennials myself who are depressed as ****. A lot of it is post-COVID lockdown craziness and the other is the lack of relationships - women not wanting to have kids, etc. And this doesn’t even take into account the coming unemployment bounce as AI continues to “increase efficiency” while reducing labor.

Always check in on your people!
I agree that mental health is on the decline, and wholeheartedly that we need to check in on our loved ones.

AI will reduce some jobs and increase others. Even my company “forces” us to use AI, but it’s purely to augment what we do and we’re always busy.

It is just another tool.
 
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I agree that mental health is on the decline, and wholeheartedly that we need to check in on our loved ones.

AI will reduce some jobs and increase others. Even my company “forces” us to use AI, but it’s purely to augment what we do and we’re always busy.

It is just another tool.
I’m not talking about white collar workers. You’re right about that. I’m talking blue collar, low skilled workers. They’re cooked. Can’t retrain themselves and no alternative to what they’re doing.
 

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I’m not talking about white collar workers. You’re right about that. I’m talking blue collar, low skilled workers. They’re cooked. Can’t retrain themselves and no alternative to what they’re doing.
So you’re worried about Elon’s robots displacing them?

I’m not. Most blue collar roles are skilled and very difficult for the best robots to replicate. Factory work has already been largely automated in the US and elsewhere as much as it can be.

Good luck to AI trying to replace dental assistants, nurses, construction workers, or countless other roles anytime soon.
 
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Unfortunately, I see more and more suicides coming from Moore’s generation and millennials. I know a ton of millennials myself who are depressed as ****. A lot of it is post-COVID lockdown craziness and the other is the lack of relationships - women not wanting to have kids, etc. And this doesn’t even take into account the coming unemployment bounce as AI continues to “increase efficiency” while reducing labor.

Always check in on your people!
My philosophies.

1. Got to keep moving because harder to hit a moving target.
2. Got to have a reason to laugh, And if you don't have one.... Make something up.
 

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So true, so sad. And meanwhile some lowlives on here - and other message boards - call injured players “splinter boys” or worse things. Most of them never played and have no idea how brutal it can be on the body.

I’ve been thinking of volunteering for a suicide hotline but the time requirement is difficult between fatherhood, work, and life. I’m often told I have a “good voice” (my mom wanted me to be a vet because I can sometimes calm animals 😂) and I’d like to put it to use helping others.

Never hesitate, call 988
 
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I agree that mental health is on the decline, and wholeheartedly that we need to check in on our loved ones.

AI will reduce some jobs and increase others. Even my company “forces” us to use AI, but it’s purely to augment what we do and we’re always busy.

It is just another tool.
One of the issues is it could reduce a lot of entry level jobs and then where do they get the people for the next level?

I consider it to be a potentially powerful tool but with the tremendous potential to also be very dangerous. Right now there deem to be no guardrails
 
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So true, so sad. And meanwhile some lowlives on here - and other message boards - call injured players “splinter boys” or worse things. Most of them never played and have no idea how brutal it can be on the body.

I’ve been thinking of volunteering for a suicide hotline but the time requirement is difficult between fatherhood, work, and life. I’m often told I have a “good voice” (my mom wanted me to be a vet because I can sometimes calm animals 😂) and I’d like to put it to use helping others.

Never hesitate, call 988

I had to rehab a knee after ACL (about 47)and a shoulder after I shattered it in 2020 (age 70 at the time 11 pins and a plate) On the knee it does not stop me from doing much and the shoulder full rotation and swim couple miles couple times a week. But I did not have to get back to a level to compete, Got back a lot farther than most as I remain pretty active and I made it a priority but still that is not the level someone like him would need to compete
 
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One of the issues is it could reduce a lot of entry level jobs and then where do they get the people for the next level?

I consider it to be a potentially powerful tool but with the tremendous potential to also be very dangerous. Right now there deem to be no guardrails
Yes. I went to McDonalds the other day and there was zero counter ordering. Wait until 11 robots are making the food with 1 human manager… what happens to the 10 other employees? They don’t have transferable skills.
 

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Yes. I went to McDonalds the other day and there was zero counter ordering. Wait until 11 robots are making the food with 1 human manager… what happens to the 10 other employees? They don’t have transferable skills.
Thank God for no counter ordering. I worked at a pizza hut for a brief time in HS and that was the worst part of the job. Making pizzas was where it was at. 🍕

How many customers will trust an entirely robotic customer experience?

Those robots will cost more than the minimum wage they’re paying most employees.
 

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Unfortunately, I see more and more suicides coming from Moore’s generation and millennials. I know a ton of millennials myself who are depressed as ****. A lot of it is post-COVID lockdown craziness and the other is the lack of relationships - women not wanting to have kids, etc. And this doesn’t even take into account the coming unemployment bounce as AI continues to “increase efficiency” while reducing labor.

Always check in on your people!
A Reddit-style comment from this source checks out
 

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Why are you such a ******* *******? I was making a serious comment and then you come in here and act like a fool.

Shouldn’t you be focusing on your crusade to lower academic standards at NU, so we’re just like the rest of these factories and/or getting more bags to certified dumbasses - like yourself - who won’t graduate because they have their priorities wrong?

**** you.
 

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Thank God for no counter ordering. I worked at a pizza hut for a brief time in HS and that was the worst part of the job. Making pizzas was where it was at. 🍕

How many customers will trust an entirely robotic customer experience?

Those robots will cost more than the minimum wage they’re paying most employees.
Not really. They will have no insurance or health benefits. They work all shifts. Just think California, $25 min wage With benefits likely gets it up to $45-50 per hour. Robots would likely put in 4500-5k hours per year. No calling in sick or arriving late. That means each one replaces $200-250k of labor costs per year and generally results in a lot less headaches. yes CA is an extreme example but you are already seeing fast food companies moving out of there. And it is happening in a lot of other places as well

It will start with some mistrust but over time I would guess that much of that will be overcome as there becomes less and less alternatives,, Especially if it allows the restaurants to charge less and stay in business. Saw a show on about the top fast food restaurants and the difficulties they face,, Pretty much all of the fast food restaurants face similar problems High prices that they have to charge, Heck go to McDonalds (I don't) and the cost for what is supposed to be a cheap meal probably runs closer to $10-15, Food inputs are part of that but labor costs are huge and likely bigger part of the problem,

But it is not just there, Everything from insurance to law will be affected, Much of law is boilerplate forms (you know, entry level jobs) and a lot of that will be automated, You will be hard pressed to find an industry that will not be affected, Face it . People are obsolete
 
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Not really. They will have no insurance or health benefits. They work all shifts. Just think California, $25 min wage With benefits likely gets it up to $45-50 per hour. Robots would likely put in 4500-5k hours per year. No calling in sick or arriving late. That means each one replaces $200-250k of labor costs per year and generally results in a lot less headaches. yes CA is an extreme example but you are already seeing fast food companies moving out of there.

It will start with some mistrust but over time I would guess that much of that will be overcome as there becomes less and less alternatives,, Especially if it allows the restaurants to charge less and stay in business. Saw a show on about the top fast food restaurants and the difficulties they face,, Pretty much all of the fast food restaurants face similar problems High prices that they have to charge, Heck go to McDonalds (I don't) and the cost for what is supposed to be a cheap meal probably runs closer to $10-15, Food inputs are part of that but labor costs are huge and likely bigger part of the problem,

But it is not just there, Everything from insurance to law will be affected, Much of law is boilerplate forms (you know, entry level jobs) and a lot of that will be automated, You will be hard pressed to find an industry that will not be affected, Face it . People are obsolete
People are obsolete? Interesting take

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People are obsolete? Interesting take

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It is somewhat a joke and a warning at the same time, Did not say I liked it, Just as they push further and further into AI as fast as they can with robotics in the sidecar and no guardrails....... It can be a tremendous boon to productivity. But it will also likely cause tremendous upheaval. We are already seeing cases where people have more of a relationship with their AI than they do with actual, you know, people. Carry that to the next step and you have robotic companions that replace people, Not sure how healthy for society that is , People not prepared for the new reality are likely to be left in the dust and this reality is so much more of a change than they have been in the past, There will be winners and losers as there always are. But this time some of the losers will be people that have not been in the past and there are potentially a lot more of them. Software engineers, lawyers, customer service and on and on, Then have too many people idle and....It often does not end well
 

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I suppose there are good opinions out there about what jobs will be most protected from the advent of AI and robotics, but pretty much everything I have read is all over the board. I saw CMT's comment on the difficulty in replacing construction workers among others which I thought was insightful and which struck close to home. As I went through my career I saw many a job outsourced overseas but never construction work which in essence is a custom and site specific task. My question is what job traits will AI (and robotics ) have difficulty replacing? My thoughts:

- Work location variable.
- Highly variable physical task.
- Relatively low numbers of positions required.

(Note: Unlike CMT I believe dental assistants are doomed because they fail these three criteria whereas a home healthcare nurse, for example, does not.)

- Strategic vs tactical work (Not sure about this.)
- Positional risk profile that humans refuse to assign to machines.
- Entertainment

I don't think I have scratched the surface and would be very interested in what others think . A lot of good minds here who can bring their experience to bear.



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I suppose there are good opinions out there about what jobs will be most protected from the advent of AI and robotics, but pretty much everything I have read is all over the board. I saw CMT's comment on the difficulty in replacing construction workers among others which I thought was insightful and which struck close to home. As I went through my career I saw many a job outsourced overseas but never construction work which in essence is a custom and site specific task. My question is what job traits will AI (and robotics ) have difficulty replacing? My thoughts:

- Work location variable.
- Highly variable physical task.
- Relatively low numbers of positions required.

(Note: Unlike CMT I believe dental assistants are doomed because they fail these three criteria whereas a home healthcare nurse, for example, does not.)

- Strategic vs tactical work (Not sure about this.)
- Positional risk profile that humans refuse to assign to machines.
- Entertainment

I don't think I have scratched the surface and would be very interested in what others think . A lot of good minds here who can bring their experience to bear.



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I think of it in terms of a curve of which jobs are likely to be disrupted first by AI vs later by AI. Like, even as somebody who isn't overly bullish in the short term on AI adoption I'll tell you i wouldn't want to be a current college student or recent grad in software/tech, accounting/auditing, financial/date analysis, etc. Tools can already replicate the work of junior associate types in those fields pretty well in a fraction of the time... as long as a senior associate or partner is running it .On the other hand, if you do something physical or that primarily deals with people you're more insulated. I deal primarily with people over a very long and complex cycle, so I feel pretty confident what I do will be later down the road from many other functions before it's replaceable.

Physical stuff... until we have robots that can do things easily, you're mostly safe. But they're trying on the robots. When all the hotel maids get fired and replaced with robots, everybody else will be on the clock. If that ever happens.

One guy who does a lot of work with AI and is very bullish on AI described the potential of a lot of customer facing work (ie most customer service, a lot of sales, etc) becoming mostly agent-to-agent replacing B2B communication. So the customers all have their agents who are gathering data, communicating, and maybe going to the executive for approval, and so the sellers and support people will have to have their own agents all talking back. The job of the Director of Support, of an Account Exec, etc. becaomes managing 50 or 100 agents at once, all of whom are talking to counterpart agents, and identifying when to intercede, correct them, get human counterparties involved, etc. That seems sort of plausible to me.

The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that, like any technology tool before it, at some point any higher end professional will have to be at least competent on using the AI tools that exist to not be obsolete in the workplace. Nobody wants to be the guy who is still around because his name is on the door but has his secretary print out ever email with an attachment because he doesn't know how to open a word doc... or be the senior associate who is retired early because ne never got any good at looking up how to generate new code on google. So I'm spending a bit of time dinking around with it, testing it for research projects, tying it into my personal life in simple ways (ie, building a Google Gemini agent that pings me when I get one email out of 20 on my personal email that is from an actual person instead of one of the many brand emails I let be sent to me, that kind of thing) just so I'm comfortable with it and not left behind.
 
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Just to dig a bit to say physical tasks are less susceptible depends on characteristics other than just being physical. Same with people facing work. Will the world demand a receptionist/concierge at an apartment building be physically present vs a screen and a good security system? In the case of physical work I suggested characteristics such as a variable work location, highly variable and not a lot of demand relatively speaking. Farm workers picking tomatoes fails at least one of those tests - being highly variable - so they are likely toast. Anyway I see a lot of general doom around all of this but not a lot of clarity on career strategies.
 
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I suppose there are good opinions out there about what jobs will be most protected from the advent of AI and robotics, but pretty much everything I have read is all over the board. I saw CMT's comment on the difficulty in replacing construction workers among others which I thought was insightful and which struck close to home. As I went through my career I saw many a job outsourced overseas but never construction work which in essence is a custom and site specific task. My question is what job traits will AI (and robotics ) have difficulty replacing? My thoughts:

- Work location variable.
- Highly variable physical task.
- Relatively low numbers of positions required.

(Note: Unlike CMT I believe dental assistants are doomed because they fail these three criteria whereas a home healthcare nurse, for example, does not.)

- Strategic vs tactical work (Not sure about this.)
- Positional risk profile that humans refuse to assign to machines.
- Entertainment

I don't think I have scratched the surface and would be very interested in what others think . A lot of good minds here who can bring their experience to bear.



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Things that are more hands on such as trades and construction work will likely have the most staying power, But the jobs with repeatable tasks whether they are manual labor and or forms will be in danger first,