I don't think you can go from ncaa to g league to draft, if he doesn't get drafted he can get picked up by a team and play in the g league but he won't going to back into the draft.
Ron Harper Draft Position Article
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Hey Wayne. I think you dropped the ball on this reply. Wrong guy.
Just as a side bar to this evaluation of Ron, Jr's talents, I just happened to come across this scout's name, Michael VandeGarde, yesterday when I was looking around for information on RU commit Antwone Woolfolk. Just thought I would post it here. I think it shows that he is a scout doesn't throw around unwarranted superlatives, if nothing else. VandeGarde had this to say about Mr. Woolfolk in a Kristian Dyer article from last October:
"Originally a tight end prospect in football, Woolfolk is now choosing to focus on the hardcourt. The 6-foot-7 senior is raw but oozing with potential.
Former NBA scout Michael VandeGarde, who spent 18 years with the Philadelphia 76ers organization, sees plenty of promise in Woolfolk’s emerging game. He was asked to evaluate the limited tape on the verbal commit.
“He is a project ‘Big’ that is more center than power forward,” VandeGarde told ‘Rutgers Wire.’
“A hard-nosed player that can handle the physical nature of the game and should be able to play good team defense. His skill set is better than most guys with his size and strength.”
There are areas for improvement, of course, as Woolfolk had been considered a football athlete up until a couple of months ago when he began to consider basketball as a true option at the college level. VandeGarde notes that Woolfolk’s “Shooting and face-up game, rim protection, conditioning, elite quick-twitch explosion” all need to continue to be developed.
He is certainly a bit of a prospect but can and should be able to help head coach Steve Piekiell develop front-court depth.
“He projects as a four-year player that should be able to contribute quickly because of his strength and size,” VandeGarde said. “He has good upside because he has not concentrated on one sport in high school and could makes big strides quickly. His skill set, which is good, could really improve in the coming years.”
He likens Woolfolk to former Michigan State power forward Nick Ward, a former All-Big Ten honorable mention currently playing in Europe.
VandeGarde is currently involved in consulting with several NBA teams. He also is passionately involved with CoachTube. An online training tool that gives athletes access to instruction, knowledge, and sports coaching videos, CoachTube provides access to on-demand online training from the world’s best coaches and players."
"Originally a tight end prospect in football, Woolfolk is now choosing to focus on the hardcourt. The 6-foot-7 senior is raw but oozing with potential.
Former NBA scout Michael VandeGarde, who spent 18 years with the Philadelphia 76ers organization, sees plenty of promise in Woolfolk’s emerging game. He was asked to evaluate the limited tape on the verbal commit.
“He is a project ‘Big’ that is more center than power forward,” VandeGarde told ‘Rutgers Wire.’
“A hard-nosed player that can handle the physical nature of the game and should be able to play good team defense. His skill set is better than most guys with his size and strength.”
There are areas for improvement, of course, as Woolfolk had been considered a football athlete up until a couple of months ago when he began to consider basketball as a true option at the college level. VandeGarde notes that Woolfolk’s “Shooting and face-up game, rim protection, conditioning, elite quick-twitch explosion” all need to continue to be developed.
He is certainly a bit of a prospect but can and should be able to help head coach Steve Piekiell develop front-court depth.
“He projects as a four-year player that should be able to contribute quickly because of his strength and size,” VandeGarde said. “He has good upside because he has not concentrated on one sport in high school and could makes big strides quickly. His skill set, which is good, could really improve in the coming years.”
He likens Woolfolk to former Michigan State power forward Nick Ward, a former All-Big Ten honorable mention currently playing in Europe.
VandeGarde is currently involved in consulting with several NBA teams. He also is passionately involved with CoachTube. An online training tool that gives athletes access to instruction, knowledge, and sports coaching videos, CoachTube provides access to on-demand online training from the world’s best coaches and players."
IMHO thats indisputable. the NBA wants athletic unicorns. Cliff is a unicorn. Ron is not.
I REALLY hope I am wrong but I dont see him making in the NBA
Any chance that Woolfolk can be a Rashod Kent type player?
I've been thinking/hoping along same lines! He even has that same tight end theme among his talents!
I’ll stick with my prediction from last year. 2nd round Miami Heat.
Yeah that comment was ridiculous. I truly wish the best for him but a “tenacious defender” he is not.
Correct, and that likely means this season is Cliffs last year here tbh.
He did it. Watch the film. He blocked shots and pulled rebounds when on 5’s and he stopped penetration by 1’s and 2’s. The little quicker guys beat him here and there but who doesn’t get beat on D? Our fans like to point out every mistake by every player but if nobody got beat on D it would be like the first Iowa game every game. Also guys like Caleb who give the max effort on D are typically too tired to shoot the ball. So yea Ron and Geo and 90% of NCAA players take possessions off on D. Otherwise again, you have games like the first Iowa game. Great D and a lot of really tired guys at the end.
I tried to watch. I really would love to watch but I can’t. It hurts my eyes. The Knicks had some good moments early this year but I watched parts of the Grizzlies game a couple of weeks ago and it was just flat out painful. I tried to watch a few other games before that and couldn’t watch. I’ll try again when the playoffs come but really have a hard time watching the NBA.
This tweet is on Luka Garza, the 2020-21 B1G player of the year, who averaged over 20 and 10 in his final season at Iowa.
Garza took whatever evaluation of what he was asked to do at Iowa, which is to play the 5, when he needed to play more of a pick and pop 4/5 @ the NBA level.
In order for Garza to give himself a legitimate chance at getting drafted, Garza shed 30 pounds from a range in the 270s, to the 240s...I would like to think Garza is probably down in weight even further right now, after being a 2nd round draft pick of the Detroit Pistons.
Can RHJ take these evaluations and eliminate these small items as part of his process......??
Garza took whatever evaluation of what he was asked to do at Iowa, which is to play the 5, when he needed to play more of a pick and pop 4/5 @ the NBA level.
In order for Garza to give himself a legitimate chance at getting drafted, Garza shed 30 pounds from a range in the 270s, to the 240s...I would like to think Garza is probably down in weight even further right now, after being a 2nd round draft pick of the Detroit Pistons.
Can RHJ take these evaluations and eliminate these small items as part of his process......??
Anyone know if he hired a personal trainer to whip him into shape? Show the NBA how serious you are.
I didn't say he didn't have the ability. (except he's not an on-ball defender out top or ANYWHERE near the level of D that JY or Caleb are).
I'd love to see this team next year with Ron and Caleb back. I think it could be better.
After the 7 day losing streak they started playing the younger guys and they are in a good winning streak. It was fun to watch.
Another year at RU would make him a better college basketball player, not an NBA prospect. Coaching and player development at the college level, even at elite programs, is not geared toward preparation for the NBA. The majority of the best NBA players have played little or no college basketball. It would be nice to have Harper back, but him coming back isn't going to improve his NBA prospects. Going to the G League might, though.
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He at this juncture is not an NBA type player. He will get an opportunity based upon some potential but mainly due to his father’s legacy. Most similar type players would not get a sniff. RHJ was a very good player here at Rutgers but at the next level the reality comes about full circle.
Its not the 3's, its the style of play. Like watching playground basketball unless its the playoffs. They should just call their own fouls. The rules for traveling and carrying the ball should just be removed from the book. Seeping more into the college game over the past few years as well. Truely unwatchable. Especially in person. Haven't been to a game in 15yrs minimum.
Part of the reason why nba hard to watch is because of the 3 pt skill they all have and the athleticism most have. I know that’s counterintuitive but for me it’s true.
Where is the D? Almost everybody shoots 3s at a high clip. Is traveling ever called? Players seem kinda bored even… very little visible sense of urgency.
The game reminds me of all star games 30 years ago. Sounds great in theory but kinda boring when you watch it.
Where is the D? Almost everybody shoots 3s at a high clip. Is traveling ever called? Players seem kinda bored even… very little visible sense of urgency.
The game reminds me of all star games 30 years ago. Sounds great in theory but kinda boring when you watch it.
Really hope he proves us wrong but the evaluation seems very fair.
The first thing he has to do is get in shape. Not in college basketball shape. Professional NBA shape. He needs to change his entire body. I was shocked that he didn't come back this year looking very different.
If he does that, I think it will unleash some athleticism that has been hiding. To make an NBA roster, he can't be this big.
The first thing he has to do is get in shape. Not in college basketball shape. Professional NBA shape. He needs to change his entire body. I was shocked that he didn't come back this year looking very different.
If he does that, I think it will unleash some athleticism that has been hiding. To make an NBA roster, he can't be this big.
How do guys like draymond green and the white mamba have crazy long careers of the nba only wants unicorns. Those dudes are more athletic than 99 percent of people but nowhere close to elite nba athletes. I can think of a lot of other examples. Intangibles matter. Niche skills matter. Great passer. Glue guy etc.
I can't understand why he would let his weight
go up like it did. He has the opportunity to
make it with the elite. Something most of us
could only dream about. Maybe it is because
he and the many others were in the spot light all their lives and start taking things for granted.
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I’ve said this before but people just need to look at Chris Duarte. He got to Oregon when he was 22!! Drafted in the lottery at 24.
I don’t think Ron elevates his stock much by playing another year but he absolutely can not hurt it. Is he going to be a lottery pick like Duarte? No. But I think it is going to be hard to even get picked in the 2nd round with how deep this class is at wing.
Luka Garza is also a good comp. Could’ve come out after his junior year but hung around to be BMOC. Had a great year and got picked in the 2nd round.
I love Ron but I’d even make the stretch that Caleb has more NBA potential. Ron is just a baller while Caleb has a niche skill (d flexibility).
A scout might think hey I can fix his shot and that’s an end of rotation player in the NBA or at min a depth piece in the G-league. Not many guys can guard 1-4 and the traditional scout think is that they can fix jump shots. Before this year Caleb also had a good stroke from the line which indicates a jumper is somewhere.
I think that back surgery he had put his shot in a funk and he’s been fighting to get out of it since
Both of them were 2nd round picks with unguaranteed contracts.
They then made the most of their opportunities and created value for themselves.
A lot of hard work.
Ron is going to have to go the same route - whether 2nd round pick or undrafted.
It can happen - see Draymond Green or Brian Scalabrine.
But mostly the 2nd round picks/undrafted guys who never make it or get a shot.
Draymond Green is a rarity; a 4:year college player who has excelled in the NBA. His excellence in the NBA is based on the mastery of things that don't show up in scouting reports.
using exceptions to prove a point is never very persuasive. just sayin'
he has neither elite athleticism or elite skills (e.g., he is a good 3 point shooter but hes not a sharp shooter).
again, I really hope I am wrong but I dont see it.
I get it but how many unicorns also flame out. Not mentally strong, never develop a shot, become one dimensional etc. lots of those out there. I get it that the probability is more with the unicorns but then I could be an nba scout. Doesn’t seem too hard. A good scout can see other intangibles. Not saying Ron is that, but I can see a lot of what he does well translates. Catch and shoot. Super quick release. Has a good bully ball game. Finish at the rim well. Is it inconsistent. Yeah but if your job becomes just basketball that will come.