Basketball Ron & Dylan Harper / Ace Bailey - NBA Thread

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Also, the focus on surrounding Dylan and Ace with ball dominant, isolation players (Derkack, JWill, Grant, Davis) instead of shooters to space the floor.

The fact so many were adamant JWill was going to work next to Dylan was beyond amusing.

But that's an ongoing Pike problem - regardless of Dylan/Ace.

Grant is the furthest thing from an iso player. Actually, he was one of the best compliments we had to play alongside Dylan and Ace. He didn’t try to do too much and moved well without the ball to exploit opponents overextending to cover the two stars. He was also a frosh. Not a mistake to have him on the roster.

J Mike was also fine. He was the back up PG. Someone needed to play that role behind Dylan. While J Will wasn’t a great fit, we didn’t have very much continuity from the returning roster and he did put up good numbers at the end of 2023-24 (considering he didn’t play the cupcakes) - solid defensive player - so even in his case, keeping him wasn’t the worst decision ever at the time. Spending our money on Dercack and Acuff was the bigger problem. And PJ was just a complete waste. We needed to target defense and we did the opposite.

Dercack was the worst addition in the history of Rutgers basketball

I kind of agree. Not even because he was an awful player (he’s “ok” - we’ve certainly had worse), but because he was an addition that we almost certainly paid too much for given he couldn’t really do things to help us. On paper - defensive conf player of the year who dropped 17 ppg (good efficiency outside of 3 pointers) while averaging over 2 steals a game and 4 assists. But we failed to read the fine print. Everything good about his stat line related directly to his (and his teammates) anticipation skills as a zone defender which was meaningless for us since Pike knew (or should’ve known) he wasn’t going to be deploying a zone defense.
 

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Also, the focus on surrounding Dylan and Ace with ball dominant, isolation players (Derkack, JWill, Grant, Davis) instead of shooters to space the floor.

The fact so many were adamant JWill was going to work next to Dylan was beyond amusing.

But that's an ongoing Pike problem - regardless of Dylan/Ace.
Imagine if Dylan and Ace had stayed another year to "get ready for the NBA". Amazing how surrounding talented players with shooters produces positive results. I'm sure that Pike, a defense-first-last-and-always coach, is green with envy at the level of defense being played in this series.
 

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Will the wailing and gnashing of teeth ever end? Get over it already.

Enjoy!

 

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Gonna be an interesting game I hope. If Wembayama #1, and Dylan #2 can share their talents this San Antonio team is going to be fun to watch. I hope Wemby keeps his attitude in check. Of course the whole basketball sports world is talking about Harper.
Game is on NBC/Peacock @8PM.
 

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20 years old and going to the finals against the Knicks! So who do my Knicks put against the Wemby prima donna? I'm too old for this level of drama. So, Dylan can have his amazing games, but the Knicks win the whole thing.
 
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Great play here by a rookie holding back Castile from giving Caruso a deserved beat down.



it wasn’t a dirty foul but come on - he pulled him down with both hands - how is that not a flagrant 1?

I really don’t understand the rules sometimes . You’ll see someone get a flagrant 1 when they inadvertently hit them in the head - yet here he purposely PULLED him to the ground?

again not saying it was dirty - he even tried to protect him on the fall - but that wasn’t even remotely a play on the ball.
 

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it wasn’t a dirty foul but come on - he pulled him down with both hands - how is that not a flagrant 1?

I really don’t understand the rules sometimes . You’ll see someone get a flagrant 1 when they inadvertently hit them in the head - yet here he purposely PULLED him to the ground?

again not saying it was dirty - he even tried to protect him on the fall - but that wasn’t even remotely a play on the ball.
Caruso seemed like a goon most of the game, and Castile got pissed a few times
 

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Dylan who for the next 7 games

This. I was rooting for the Spurs to lose. I don’t think this is a positive for RU. Happy for Dylan, but perhaps the worst case scenerio for RU perception. Kratch isn’t wrong in this case:


This is a win-win for me as a Knicks and Rutgers fan. If the Knicks win, I'm happy, if the Spurs win, I'm happy for Dylan.

Happy for Dylan, but no, this isn’t really a win win. The timing is actually pretty bad. RU does not look good here. The dust was finally settling on the 2024-25 disaster and now the media is going to encore the whole thing. The fact that it’ll be happening at the Garden is just the icing on the cake.
 

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Under-rated effort play by Dylan: Kornet goes up and blocks a key breakaway layup by OKC — outstanding, game-saving type of moment.

But, had Dylan not hustled behind the play, and snatched the rebound away after the block, OKC probably gets a follow-up dunk.

In essence Dylan completed the game-saver that was initiated by Kornet. Both were crucial.
 

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Dylan played for Rutgers. That will always be true, and him flourishing in the NBA, along with Ace, I see as only a positive reflection on our program. They chose RU, and their performance here solidified their draft status.

It sucks that our 2 freshmen studs couldn’t get us to the big dance because of our supporting cast, for which Pike is mostly to blame, imo. By the same token you have to wonder how Duke did not win a national championship, with 5 players drafted last year, 3 in the top 10 of the first round, all freshmen, and 2 in the second round. **** happens.

Regardless, Ace and especially Dylan with this playoff run have gotten me somewhat interested in following the NBA again, something I haven’t done for 20 years. That wouldn’t have happened if they never played for Rutgers.
 

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Dylan played for Rutgers. That will always be true, and him flourishing in the NBA, along with Ace, I see as only a positive reflection on our program. They chose RU, and their performance here solidified their draft status.

It sucks that our 2 freshmen studs couldn’t get us to the big dance because of our supporting cast, for which Pike is mostly to blame, imo. By the same token you have to wonder how Duke did not win a national championship, with 5 players drafted last year, 3 in the top 10 of the first round, all freshmen, and 2 in the second round. **** happens.

Regardless, Ace and especially Dylan with this playoff run have gotten me somewhat interested in following the NBA again, something I haven’t done for 20 years. That wouldn’t have happened if they never played for Rutgers.

Not winning a championship is a matter of losing one game in one given day. Even if Duke had 10 players drafted this wouldn’t be a point of national interest. Anyone can have “a bad day”. Again, happy for Dylan that he’s having early success and is a big part of how the Spurs went from not making the NCAAs to playing for a Natty. But this isn’t a good look for Rutgers. No matter how you try to spin it.
 

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Not winning a championship is a matter of losing one game in one given day. Even if Duke had 10 players drafted this wouldn’t be a point of national interest. Anyone can have “a bad day”. Again, happy for Dylan that he’s having early success and is a big part of how the Spurs went from not making the NCAAs to playing for a Natty. But this isn’t a good look for Rutgers. No matter how you try to spin it.
Agree to disagree. When the announcers say, “Dylan Harper out of Rutgers,” most people watching don’t see it as a negative for RU.
 

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Not winning a championship is a matter of losing one game in one given day. Even if Duke had 10 players drafted this wouldn’t be a point of national interest. Anyone can have “a bad day”. Again, happy for Dylan that he’s having early success and is a big part of how the Spurs went from not making the NCAAs to playing for a Natty. But this isn’t a good look for Rutgers. No matter how you try to spin it.
Do you think it would be better if they performed poorly in the NBA? Now the narrative is, not only did they not make the tournament, but choosing to go to Rutgers hindered their development.
 

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Do you think it would be better if they performed poorly in the NBA? Now the narrative is, not only did they not make the tournament, but choosing to go to Rutgers hindered their development.

No. But I absolutely think it would’ve been better for Rutgers if Oklahoma City won game 7 and was playing the Knicks instead. As I said before - the talking head dust about Rutgers blowing it was finally fading. Now it will once again be called to center stage.
 

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Agree to disagree. When the announcers say, “Dylan Harper out of Rutgers,” most people watching don’t see it as a negative for RU.

Right now - many do. The failure to make the tournament with those 2 players is a recent national story. That’s what anyone who follows college basketball is thinking. Anyone who doesn’t follow college sports isn’t relevant to the branding of RU as a program - those folks don’t care what college name is called out.

I will add - if RU hypothetically has a drastically improved season next year, the narrative starts to change. If coupled with Ron’s continued progress too, at some point the story line could shift to more of a positive branding line - ala - our program win or lose does a good job preparing players for the next level. But that’s not in the cards right now. Need a better on court result for that to happen.
 

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No. But I absolutely think it would’ve been better for Rutgers if Oklahoma City won game 7 and was playing the Knicks instead. As I said before - the talking head dust about Rutgers blowing it was finally fading. Now it will once again be called to center stage.
But I don't think anyone notable, without a direct connection to Rutgers, is really talking about that. The article you linked was written by someone who used to work for the Star-Ledger specifically covering Rutgers and the other notable one I saw was an Athletic reporter who went to Rutgers.
 
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Right now - many do. The failure to make the tournament with those 2 players is a recent national story. That’s what anyone who follows college basketball is thinking. Anyone who doesn’t follow college sports isn’t relevant to the branding of RU as a program - those folks don’t care what college name is called out.

I will add - if RU hypothetically has a drastically improved season next year, the narrative starts to change. If coupled with Ron’s continued progress too, at some point the story line could shift to more of a positive branding line - ala - our program win or lose does a good job preparing players for the next level. But that’s not in the cards right now. Need a better on court result for that to happen.
Sorry, but I’m not seeing it as a negative in any way.

A high school baller, let’s say a 4-star, is gonna hear that Dylan and Ace (and let’s not forget RHJ) went to Rutgers. If they have aspirations of playing in the NBA, that’s gonna help their perception of RU.

It’s not unlike our football team, that despite a mediocre record under Schiano, has sent many players to the NFL. In both football and hoops, a hard-working talented player with NFL or NBA aspirations will at least consider Rutgers as a viable path.

As to your point about “that’s what anyone who follows college basketball is thinking,” well, if they truly follow college hoops they should know the reasons why those 2 freshmen didn’t have a supporting cast around them, and that the money issues have been addressed in this offseason.

Beyond that, the millions of NBA fans around the world who have tuned in to these playoffs and even regular season NBA games will think, “Wow, both Ron and Dylan Harper, and Ace Bailey, went to Rutgers. Must be something good going on there.”
 
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But I don't think anyone notable, without a direct connection to Rutgers, is really talking about that. The article you linked was written by someone who used to work for the Star-Ledger and the other notable one I saw was an Athletic reporter who went to Rutgers.

What are you talking about? Early on in the season when Dylan was a success off the bat it came up a lot. There were quite a few of articles / tweets whatever posted with comments and the topic came up all season. Slowly the chatter died down, but every so often an NBA game commentator brings it up. It’s definitely out there as a discussion point, and Kratch is probably correct that it’ll come up again now and be discussed on national TV / radio broadcasts etc. when Dylan comes up.
 

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Sorry, but I’m not seeing it as a negative in any way.

A high school baller, let’s say a 4-star, is gonna hear that Dylan and Ace (and let’s not forget RHJ) went to Rutgers. If they have aspirations of playing in the NBA, that’s gonna help their perception of RU.

It’s not unlike our football team, that despite a mediocre record under Schiano, has sent many players to the NFL. In both football and hoops, a hard-working talentplayer with NFL or NBA aspirations will at least consider Rutgers as a viable path.

As to your point about “that’s what anyone who follows college basketball is thinking,” well, if they truly follow college hoops they should know the reasons why those 2 freshmen didn’t have a supporting cast around them, and that the money issues have been addressed in this offseason.

Beyond that, the millions of NBA fans around the world who have tuned in to these playoffs and even regular season NBA games will think, “Wow, both Ron and Dylan Harper, and Ace Bailey, went to Rutgers. Must be something good going on there.”

In 5-10 years maybe. The association of Dylan to Rutgers right now is not positive. The only way your spin could be remotely true is for someone who knows nothing about college ball. Otherwise, the narrative is - man, how could a program have a losing record with a kid like this on the roster…