Romeo Langford

BigEastPhil

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Top 10 - if not Top 5 - 5* 2018 Recruit still on board and apparently it's between Indiana (his home state) and Vanderbilt for his services.

For those who know me, I always root for our conference brethren to get the best players - as I enjoy to see and compete against the best competition - but I hear he may be a slight Vandy lean - and if so - Vandy will have Three (3) 5* Recruits for next year.

If he commits to Indiana, will be a great coup for Archie Miller.
 

TDIrish27

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I saw where the Frink kid from Roselle Catholic committed to South Carolina.

No RU offer-----I wonder what they didn't like ?

Not a finished product but had nice size and ran well for a 6'8 kid.
 

RUJMM78

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I saw where the Frink kid from Roselle Catholic committed to South Carolina.

No RU offer-----I wonder what they didn't like ?

Not a finished product but had nice size and ran well for a 6'8 kid.
Most fans don't care where players come from but rather the skill level to perform successfully in a power conference.
 

RUonBrain

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Top 10 - if not Top 5 - 5* 2018 Recruit still on board and apparently it's between Indiana (his home state) and Vanderbilt for his services.

For those who know me, I always root for our conference brethren to get the best players - as I enjoy to see and compete against the best competition - but I hear he may be a slight Vandy lean - and if so - Vandy will have Three (3) 5* Recruits for next year.

If he commits to Indiana, will be a great coup for Archie Miller.

How can you prefer to see our opponents rack up 5 stars when we cannot get any of them (yet?)

You must like the basement.

Hope he picks Vandy
 

RURM85

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Kansas still in the mix although probably a dark horse. I understand he plans to visit Indiana one last time before his decision this month. Most likely this kid is a one-and-done.
 

BigEastPhil

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How can you prefer to see our opponents rack up 5 stars when we cannot get any of them (yet?)

You must like the basement.

Hope he picks Vandy
Increased competition forces better play. If you don't like the best of competition, I suggest you petition Rutgers to join America East. Also you beat better squads, so does your resume for potential post season bids. Losing attitude my friend in not wanting to battle the best and to battle the also rans. Only way to get better is to battle the best not the mediocre and all coaches and players will agree as further evidenced by our games this year vs seton hall, mich state and Purdue etc. I want a strong conference with tough teams overall not like this conference this year which with the exception of the top 4 teams, the conference and perception sucked as evidenced by Nebraska not even getting a sniffle for the tourney nor Maryland for the NIT. Man up!
 
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Increased competition forces better play. If you don't like the best of competition, I suggest you petition Rutgers to join America East.
Increased competition does not automatically make you better, it just means you have to perform at a higher level to have success. I live in the Atlanta area and I can assure you the Braves are not hoping Bruce Harper re-signs with the Nationals next season because playing against him 18x per year will somehow make the Braves play better. If he is leaving DC, it is much better for the Braves if he goes to the American League.

I love being in the Big Ten but we won't see postseason play until we are at or above .500 in conference. We know the league will have some very tough opponents, no need to root for all of our competition to be as good as they can be. Someone will be at the bottom of the conference and I don't want it to be us.

I hope he goes to Vanderbilt.
 

RUonBrain

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Increased competition forces better play. If you don't like the best of competition, I suggest you petition Rutgers to join America East. Also you beat better squads, so does your resume for potential post season bids. Losing attitude my friend in not wanting to battle the best and to battle the also rans. Only way to get better is to battle the best not the mediocre and all coaches and players will agree as further evidenced by our games this year vs seton hall, mich state and Purdue etc. I want a strong conference with tough teams overall not like this conference this year which with the exception of the top 4 teams, the conference and perception sucked as evidenced by Nebraska not even getting a sniffle for the tourney nor Maryland for the NIT. Man up!

How has that helped our football team?

You are off base here.

You think if our football team played in the same division as Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska that it would somehow help us?

What are you talking about?
We’d never win a game.
Then good luck trying to recruit to a perpetual last place team.
 

KnightsofChrome

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How has that helped our football team?

You are off base here.

You think if our football team played in the same division as Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska that it would somehow help us?

What are you talking about?
We’d never win a game.
Then good luck trying to recruit to a perpetual last place team.
He doesn't have a clue Brian, he equates better competition as a youth, which helps increase a players abilities to compete, but once a player reaches Div. I status he better have the skills in place! Sounds like this guy never competed beyond Little League, and there is nothing wrong with that, most don't. But, don't come on here as a self proclaimed expert. A "rah, rah" guy yes, an analyst; not so much.
 

TDIrish27

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Vandy has likely been to the Big Dance 4-5 times in the last 10 years and has a great Arena with a rabid fan base----great tradition along with a drop dead gorgeous campus.

Almost impossible to not enjoy a visit to Nashville .
 

Scarlet83

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Top 10 - if not Top 5 - 5* 2018 Recruit still on board and apparently it's between Indiana (his home state) and Vanderbilt for his services.

For those who know me, I always root for our conference brethren to get the best players - as I enjoy to see and compete against the best competition - but I hear he may be a slight Vandy lean - and if so - Vandy will have Three (3) 5* Recruits for next year.

If he commits to Indiana, will be a great coup for Archie Miller.

I understand what you are saying, Phil. But until we get to the NCAAs consistently, I just cannot root for any of the B1G to bring in great recruits. They will do what they do. I just don’t care who they recruit.

I myopically want us to win, and beat these teams in the B1G, because I am already tired of the way a number of the fans of these schools look down on us. I want to beat them, and I want to beat them until it hurts.
 

AshCatchEm

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Top 10 - if not Top 5 - 5* 2018 Recruit still on board and apparently it's between Indiana (his home state) and Vanderbilt for his services.

For those who know me, I always root for our conference brethren to get the best players - as I enjoy to see and compete against the best competition - but I hear he may be a slight Vandy lean - and if so - Vandy will have Three (3) 5* Recruits for next year.

If he commits to Indiana, will be a great coup for Archie Miller.
I root for our conference members to win vs ooc. I never root for them to get better players..why?
 
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BigEastPhil

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Play in a pathetic conference like the Big 10'was this year and go 13 -5 in conference like Nebraska did and end up being a 5 seed in the NIT. That's not my goal. If your conference blows like the Big 10 did this year, lack or opportunity of quality wins means very little chance of making it to the big dance. The ACC got 9 teams in and the Big 12 got 8 teams in and the Big East got 6 teams in some questionable like Syracuse because the perception and talent of those leagues dwarf that of the Big 10 and unless the Big 10 recruits top talent which it doesn't compared against other power conferences, it minimizes the possibility of making it to the dance. All you guys who keep rooting for talent to go to other conferences just makes the metrics for those conferences stronger and hence better chance for success for other conferences. Schools need larger sample of quad 1 wins etc and it doesn't help when talent goes elsewhere. Wins vs Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern and many of the other slugs in this conference mean diddly. A win vs Indiana with a top notch squad with a top recruit means something and is beneficial to reaching the overall objective of making it to the dance. A stronger conference dictates to more quad 1 etc opportunities to win and make the dance not beating mediocre squads. Again just ask Nebraska and penn state this year.
 

BigEastPhil

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He doesn't have a clue Brian, he equates better competition as a youth, which helps increase a players abilities to compete, but once a player reaches Div. I status he better have the skills in place! Sounds like this guy never competed beyond Little League, and there is nothing wrong with that, most don't. But, don't come on here as a self proclaimed expert. A "rah, rah" guy yes, an analyst; not so much.
Read my post above and counter point. The NCAAs now are about quad 1 wins etc. the more opportunities you have to win these games the better chance to make it to the dance. Hence the better your conference is a very good chance you make it in with quality wins. The worse off your conference is your likelihood erodes. See penn state and Nebraska this year. See marginal squads like Syracuse providence etc in leagues with better overall strength.
 

BigEastPhil

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How has that helped our football team?

You are off base here.

You think if our football team played in the same division as Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska that it would somehow help us?

What are you talking about?
We’d never win a game.
Then good luck trying to recruit to a perpetual last place team.
Don't compare football to basketball. 2 different animals. And believe me if we ever beat penn state or a Ohio state etc the excitement and recruiting aspect in football would take off. 1 win would do that. Read my post above and counter point because I don't think you or others get the criteria of what it takes to make it to the dance. More quad 1 opportunities and hopefully wins equates to better chance of making
It to the dance. Play in a garbage conference like the Big 10'was this year and your chances are minimized. Ask Nebraska and Penn state. Play in a better conference and your chances increase. Ask Syracuse and providence and butler.
 

SJScarlet

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Play in a pathetic conference like the Big 10'was this year and go 13 -5 in conference like Nebraska did and end up being a 5 seed in the NIT. That's not my goal. If your conference blows like the Big 10 did this year, lack or opportunity of quality wins means very little chance of making it to the big dance. The ACC got 9 teams in and the Big 12 got 8 teams in and the Big East got 6 teams in some questionable like Syracuse because the perception and talent of those leagues dwarf that of the Big 10 and unless the Big 10 recruits top talent which it doesn't compared against other power conferences, it minimizes the possibility of making it to the dance. All you guys who keep rooting for talent to go to other conferences just makes the metrics for those conferences stronger and hence better chance for success for other conferences. Schools need larger sample of quad 1 wins etc and it doesn't help when talent goes elsewhere. Wins vs Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern and many of the other slugs in this conference mean diddly. A win vs Indiana with a top notch squad with a top recruit means something and is beneficial to reaching the overall objective of making it to the dance. A stronger conference dictates to more quad 1 etc opportunities to win and make the dance not beating mediocre squads. Again just ask Nebraska and penn state this year.
Phil, I think you're perhaps going overboard in your assessment of the league in trying to prove your point. A few out of conference results does not determine the actual strength of a conference, outside of RPI and perception. The ACC tanked in the tournament for the most part, whereas a B1G team that lost 5 games in league competition, including to Northwestern who we beat, went to the title game.
 
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KnightsofChrome

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Read my post above and counter point. The NCAAs now are about quad 1 wins etc. the more opportunities you have to win these games the better chance to make it to the dance. Hence the better your conference is a very good chance you make it in with quality wins. The worse off your conference is your likelihood erodes. See penn state and Nebraska this year. See marginal squads like Syracuse providence etc in leagues with better overall strength.
This program can't be worrying or even thinking about any post season attributes, when it can't beat opponents within it's own conference. Must learn how to crawl before walking, and walking before running. When Coaches talk about "a process" this is what they are talking about.
The B1G has already paid it's dues, it doesn't have to constantly prove itself. The teams within the Conference will have up years, and down years. But, it will never be anything less than one of the top 3 to 5 major Conferences in the country. And, guess what, we are a member! A member with no established credibility as an Athletic foe. To do that we must worry about our ability to get better, better players, better facilities, better coaching, and yes better fans. Your premise is way, premature.
I personally, want to destroy everyone in our league, including Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan. But, to do that we have to, as stated, follow the process.
 
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AshCatchEm

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Play in a pathetic conference like the Big 10'was this year and go 13 -5 in conference like Nebraska did and end up being a 5 seed in the NIT. That's not my goal. If your conference blows like the Big 10 did this year, lack or opportunity of quality wins means very little chance of making it to the big dance. The ACC got 9 teams in and the Big 12 got 8 teams in and the Big East got 6 teams in some questionable like Syracuse because the perception and talent of those leagues dwarf that of the Big 10 and unless the Big 10 recruits top talent which it doesn't compared against other power conferences, it minimizes the possibility of making it to the dance. All you guys who keep rooting for talent to go to other conferences just makes the metrics for those conferences stronger and hence better chance for success for other conferences. Schools need larger sample of quad 1 wins etc and it doesn't help when talent goes elsewhere. Wins vs Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern and many of the other slugs in this conference mean diddly. A win vs Indiana with a top notch squad with a top recruit means something and is beneficial to reaching the overall objective of making it to the dance. A stronger conference dictates to more quad 1 etc opportunities to win and make the dance not beating mediocre squads. Again just ask Nebraska and penn state this year.
Put down the crack. Calling the big ten a pathetic conference just shows your dementia is sinking in at a moderate rate.
 

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I may disagree too, but, you are Nuts with personal attacks.

I think there is a spot for you on the 247 Board...take a hike Pal.
Personal attacks come in various forms; for some attacking their school, alumni, place of birth, hometown, can all be considered "personal attacks." For others, it can be as simple as a suggestion to leave and go somewhere else. Others like me, will just tell you to go F*ck yourself, and if you can't try using the neighbors dog!
 

BigEastPhil

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Put down the crack. Calling the big ten a pathetic conference just shows your dementia is sinking in at a moderate rate.
Glad to see the always angry and always sensitive football board riff raff has migrated to this board. In simpleton terms for you " the big 10 was down and very down this year" as a basketball conference. Too bad if you were offended Mr Sensitive. Or is it Mr Delany?
 

koleszar

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Don't compare football to basketball. 2 different animals. And believe me if we ever beat penn state or a Ohio state etc the excitement and recruiting aspect in football would take off. 1 win would do that. Read my post above and counter point because I don't think you or others get the criteria of what it takes to make it to the dance. More quad 1 opportunities and hopefully wins equates to better chance of making
It to the dance. Play in a garbage conference like the Big 10'was this year and your chances are minimized. Ask Nebraska and Penn state. Play in a better conference and your chances increase. Ask Syracuse and providence and butler.
Believe me, if we ever beat penn st. or Ohio state in football it'll be viewed as a fluke. The recruiting aspect would not take off on 1 win like you might think. Yeah Kansas beat Texas for the 1st time in like 50 yrs. in football, I don't see kid's flocking to Kansas. Plus we can't even get above .500 in 13 seasons and your worried about quad 1 opportunities? Really? What exactly are you expecting next year's team to accomplish, that we need to worry about quad 1 opportunities?
 
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BigEastPhil

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Believe me, if we ever beat penn st. or Ohio state in football it'll be viewed as a fluke. The recruiting aspect would not take off on 1 win like you might think. Yeah Kansas beat Texas for the 1st time in like 50 yrs. in football, I don't see kid's flocking to Kansas. Plus we can't even get above .500 in 13 seasons and your worried about quad 1 opportunities? Really? What exactly are you expecting next year's team to accomplish, that we need to worry about quad 1 opportunities?
- Texas hasn't been relevant in football since 2009 so not a good comparison in discussing a win in 2016 by Kansas. Penn State and Ohio State are extremely relevant now.
- The context of my post above is not about next year..it's about several years down the road and having a BIG 10 BB Conference that is strong whereby strong conferences like the ACC and Big East this year got 60% of their schools into the Dance and the Big 12 got 70 or 80% of their schools in. I have confidence Pike will get it done and thus could care less how strong other squads in our conference recruit. The stronger the conference, the better chance you have to win these quad 1 games and have a meaningful resume for the Dance. Nebraska and PSU did not have a NCAA Dance resume because of too many weak squads in the Big 10 this year. Only 4 of 14 schools (29%) made the Dance with 2 others making the NIT. The league was not good this year and if you analyze recruiting over the past few years you'll see the Big 10 is lagging behind the other major conferences in attracting Top 100 Talent.
 

koleszar

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- Texas hasn't been relevant in football since 2009 so not a good comparison in discussing a win in 2016 by Kansas. Penn State and Ohio State are extremely relevant now.
- The context of my post above is not about next year..it's about several years down the road and having a BIG 10 BB Conference that is strong whereby strong conferences like the ACC and Big East this year got 60% of their schools into the Dance and the Big 12 got 70 or 80% of their schools in. I have confidence Pike will get it done and thus could care less how strong other squads in our conference recruit. The stronger the conference, the better chance you have to win these quad 1 games and have a meaningful resume for the Dance. Nebraska and PSU did not have a NCAA Dance resume because of too many weak squads in the Big 10 this year. Only 4 of 14 schools (29%) made the Dance with 2 others making the NIT. The league was not good this year and if you analyze recruiting over the past few years you'll see the Big 10 is lagging behind the other major conferences in attracting Top 100 Talent.
Yea, try telling that to every kid in and around the Big 12 area that Kansas beating Texas wasn't a big deal. You know the area they mainly recruit. It's a perfect comparison. I'll refrain from the football talk because it's obviously not your strong game.

On basketball, sure it'll be good to have a strong conference once the build is well underway and you're getting close to consideration for post season tournaments. But right now, playing the best when you're talent is the worst week in, week out does have adverse affects.

You're starters are constantly going harder for longer periods of time, which in turn leads to injuries. There's simply no time to recover as your constantly in a fight night in night out. No one can sustain that level of effort for that long without some lapses.

Mentally, you're simply not seeing the fruits of your labor come to fruition. Although you're playing better and giving it your all, the wins simply aren't manifesting. Sure it's nice to be in a 2 to 4 point game but only so many of those can be viewed as moral victories. Confidence will begin to wane causing your team to doubt their capabilities.

Last perception. Again in a build you only get so many years where people are saying you're playing better without the wins. The perception right now is, yes they're not a laughing stock any longer, yet they still can't reach the .500 threshold. Without the B1G tourney results the season would have been considered same old Rutgers. Yet even with those results, the windfall of recruits hasn't manifested.

You're asking for an increase in competition when the current competition level is still too much for the squad. This will make a build nearly impossible as all the reason I laid out for you will rear their ugly head. It's baby steps not the lunar leap. The next threshold is getting over .500, doesn't matter who you play or how tough they are. All people remember is your record at the end of the year.
 

shields

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ACC had 9 teams in NCAA and none made Final Four. That is pathetic. Big Ten-ACC challenge? Pitt was not even in it and RU plays a Florida state team that goes to Elite Eight.
 
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RUBigFrank

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Perception that bigten was weak this seaon wadnfirmly due to the ACC challenge this year
 

RUonBrain

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You're asking for an increase in competition when the current competition level is still too much for the squad. This will make a build nearly impossible as all the reason I laid out for you will rear their ugly head. It's baby steps not the lunar leap. The next threshold is getting over .500, doesn't matter who you play or how tough they are. All people remember is your record at the end of the year.

This is the key point, and it kills the OP’s premise (at least until we become a regular middle of the pack team with a base of talent that can make the NCAA tournament).
 
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BigEastPhil

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This is the key point, and it kills the OP’s premise (at least until we become a regular middle of the pack team with a base of talent that can make the NCAA tournament).
Exactly right. My premise is that if you believe in Coach Pike like I do is that in some point in the short term future is that we will be a middle of the pack Big 10 conference squad and hence the likelihood of us making the dance as a contender increases with a stronger conference as opposed to a weaker conference.
 

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Langford said he doesn't plan on taking any more visits and has all the information he needs on the three schools..

Decision should come sometime later this month after the all-star games and per an article announcement will be made from his HS gym.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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From some of the stories floating around, this kid and his father might require some high maintenance. One the other hand, whoever gets him will probably only have him for a year.
 

Russ Wood

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For a while I've felt Vanderbilt but lately I'm leaning slightly to I.U.

Talented kid tho.
 

KevH

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Vanderbilt went 12-20, isn't exactly a historical powerhouse, and is landing 5-star guys.

Make$ you wonder... Kidding. I have no knowledge of any wrongdoing but will forever be suspicious of seemingly miraculous recruiting hauls by previously struggling or even mediocre programs.
 
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Vandy has likely been to the Big Dance 4-5 times in the last 10 years and has a great Arena with a rabid fan base----great tradition along with a drop dead gorgeous campus.

Almost impossible to not enjoy a visit to Nashville .

Never liked that arena at all. Great? Hardly. Campus drop dead gorgeous? Huh! Its a great school and Nashville is a wonderful city but going way way overboard. Football stadium is nothing special and that part of campus has charm of old Livingston.