I disagree with the socialism comment. We both know what happens when you dont work your farm. You lose everything.
It's not like subsidies make it to where farmers can just coast & not do anything. Not even close.
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It's not like subsidies make it to where farmers can just coast & not do anything. Not even close.
Exactly. Which is why it's unpractical to just say, "Farmers need to sell to the future generation."
You still had to apply for it. Depending on your "needs" determined how much you were going to get.
Just like any other business. Most took it, but some didn't out of principle.
Another unfortunate & unintended consequence by government programs.
Would you sell your house to a neighbor for less money than market price? And how many kids want to come back to the farm or ranch? Farming has been cutthroat for years
Yes. One of my kids fortunately just had someone do that with a house, an older couple moving to assisted living. He wasn't even a neighbor. Threw in all kinds of stuff too for free like a riding lawn mower, tools, etc. My kid goes out to eat with the guy every once in a while. They are happy knowing a youngster got a start in life and the tiny little town has a young person sticking around.
I know it sounds crazy, but all these people preaching community, saving their dying little towns, etc., should maybe STFU and stop trying to squeeze every last dollar out of their assets. OMG the people who will be in the nursing home in 5 years can't take $200 an acre less? The kids who live in Phoenix and Denver can't sell their inherited land in Nebraska for $300/less? Land (and house) values went up so much that people have to be getting thousands more then they ever expected anyway.
What? Stimulus checks had nothing to do with need, and you didn't apply. It was automatically deposited, or in the case of some, on the 2nd Trump one I believe, mailed out. Based on dependents from the prior year taxes. Anyone claiming they didn't "take" one, is a straight up liar. They might not have got one, if they were over the income limit, which is different than refusing one.
Selling to some random kid who has no ag connections is far different from selling to a young farmer.
It is indeed socialism. All the citizens of this country distribute some of their taxes to farmers. Different from straight welfare, but similar to if you have work requirements for food stamps.
That is actually exactly what they were trying to do until the current administration came in and implemented maybe the worst ag policy in the history of our country. They were moving toward a system with price and revenue triggers. Too complicated to explain here.
Far cry from this administration, who just rings the dinner bell and farmers come barreling into their local usda office for their handout.
The last house we sold was when real estate was going bonkers. Everything was going above asking price in our area. Listed Thursday and took best and final offers Sunday. On the last day there was a couple that wrote us a note - it was very nice and pulled at the heart strings and their offer was fair. I was sure we were going to go with them. Our realtor said one more offer was coming in. It was $15k higher than the young couple.
In the end I didn’t want the young couple being saddled with the debt and purchasing a home that was at the peak of the market. So we went with the higher offer.
The last house we sold was when real estate was going bonkers. Everything was going above asking price in our area. Listed Thursday and took best and final offers Sunday. On the last day there was a couple that wrote us a note - it was very nice and pulled at the heart strings and their offer was fair. I was sure we were going to go with them. Our realtor said one more offer was coming in. It was $15k higher than the young couple.
In the end I didn’t want the young couple being saddled with the debt and purchasing a home that was at the peak of the market. So we went with the higher offer.
...sold one at that same time as well. One day only open house. 40+ scheduled walk throughs. 13 offers by end of day. Doubt we ever see that again..
First of all farmers don’t want any government subsidies they want a fair price. Farming is the only industry that prices are dictated to them, they can’t set the price per bushels. Secondly when the government passes the farm bill agriculture is a small part of the bill, now I will say the bill is geared toward the large corporate farms when it comes to subsidies, they can create multiple corporations to get the maximum payout where as the small farmers never get the top amount. For years the government and I mean bo parties have told us that they support small businesses and farmers but in reality they don’t care because small businesses don’t make the big cash donations for the politicians reelection
It was truly amazing. Our offer list was in the teens and there was one that met asking price the rest were over. It was wild.
Oh my god, I love this! HahahaThe last house we sold was when real estate was going bonkers. Everything was going above asking price in our area. Listed Thursday and took best and final offers Sunday. On the last day there was a couple that wrote us a note - it was very nice and pulled at the heart strings and their offer was fair. I was sure we were going to go with them. Our realtor said one more offer was coming in. It was $15k higher than the young couple.
In the end I didn’t want the young couple being saddled with the debt and purchasing a home that was at the peak of the market. So we went with the higher offer.
Good intentions have drastically damaged our country and enabled bad choices.
Have you any connection to a small town that has lost its school or only cafe?
Went down the social media rathole on Turner this morning over coffee.. I was pretty impressed honestly.. plenty of people who live near his land praised him and the way he took care of it and how its set up to benefit the local communities. Civility is not dead yet.
..yeah i saw some dorks saying the land owners shoukd have sold to more local younger wanna be, but overall it was 60/40 positive. Maybe 75/25
..yeah i saw some dorks saying the land owners shoukd have sold to more local younger wanna be, but overall it was 60/40 positive. Maybe 75/25
I really nice write-up on his land approach in the Wall Street Journal this morning too.
It’s crazy apparent how little the supposed “educators” here know, every time they get in their little retarded circle jerk and make fools of themselves. Now they delete threads too!
So, are you saying that not ONE single farmer wants a government subsidy? Come on.
Throw in a budding romance with some hot Hollywood actress back in Nebraska looking for her great grandparents old homestead, who he picked up in his Big Green Tractor after her car happened to break down along the gravel road alongside the farm and you have yourself the making of a damn fine Hallmark movie. Goes without saying she will volunteer to direct the local town kids' rendition of Little Drummer Boy for the upcoming Winter Festival.
Well the majority voted against a fair price, knowing they would end up begging for handouts. It's a globally traded commodity. Oil companies don't set the price either.
Sure, but even for a young farmer, all the costs I mentioned earlier still applies.
It's not like the young farmer is going to have the means / financing available to buy up 500 acres along with everything else that comes along with farming.
There are socialist characteristics, but it isn't socialism.
Subsidies are a tool that intervenes within a mixed economy.
Socialism would require public ownership and centralized control of that farm land and of what farmers can / can't do.
Haha! Man, I don't know what you've personally experienced to have such an axe to grind against farmers, but you've been pretty much wrong on their mindset and what they do / don't do as a whole.
Also, what happens when crop prices do increase? Magically, so does fertilizer, seed, equipment, service costs, insurance, etc. All things the farmers has to pay for.
Farmers are the bottom man of the totem pole.
I'm pretty sure he's saying if it were a binary option, most farmers would choose not to have subsidies.
What's next, that firemen would CHOOSE not to start off at 70K a year at the age of 19.
I mean, I could not wait to take them. I didn't need it (because I am rich and make bank and have 6 vacation homes) but I am all over free money.
The vast majority yes I’m sure there are some liberal democrat farmers that want a government payment
what are you talking about most farmers voted against fair prices? Name me one business that doesn’t get government money? Every business gets government money in some way
I'm talking about a trade policy in the first term that was clearly disproportionately negative for farmers. So, voting for that again, plus tariffs, farmers knew exactly what they were getting. And what they were getting was a whole bunch of direct payments, kind of like the soybean checks the first time around. They can say they didn't want them, but actions speak louder then words.
What government subsidies does my local DQ get? How about the auto parts store? The gas station? Vet clinic?
When a school teacher or farmer or government employee goes to that business, pretty much everyone gets gov money. Airline employees media employees both get gov money
No axe to grind. Just know too much and like to push back on some of incorrect narratives. The poor farmer narrative is pretty thick right now, I just like to point out it was mostly self created.
Teachers and government employees don't try to hide or downplay that they are on the government payrolls. That is the main difference. Farmers downplay how much government assistance they receive, while being one of the most vocal groups complaining about other people receiving assistance.